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10 story hole in WTC 7

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GT/CS said:
1st earthquakes, now Jowenko! This is just way too easy. I need more of a challenge.
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That's "Mr. No Agenda Jowenko" to you, buddy.
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funk de fino said:
C7 - you need to edit to add to post # 3449
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That post is about the lack of evidence for the official story.
You cannot dispute anything in it so you subject shift.

1. There is no evidence of loud explosions heard in a long sequence by any witnesses or captured on recording equipment that would point to a CD like every video on Implosion World
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Are you calling Craig a liar?

[FONT=&quot]Former NYPD Officer & 9/11 First Responder Craig Bartmer:
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]I started running, and the ****'s hitting the ground behind me, and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... [/FONT]

NIST told they have two videos with sound recorded just before and during the collapse.

2. No CD on Implosion World has explosions hours before the collapse like C7 is claiming happened on 911
Its only fair?
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It's Michael and Barry who said there were explosions.
 
So Chris, do you agree that we will never agree on this issue and continuing to argue it is senseless?

Good, so if the visual evidence is a wash and we can't agree then what else can we discuss? I know, I know, how about the audio!!!!

No boom, boom means you're losing, badly. You can't even troll your way out of that problem.
 
Drudgewire said:
Let's see, there's:
1. Robert Clarke structural engineer, Controlled Demolitions Group Ltd.

2. Van Romero, Ph.D. vice president, New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology (who you guys wanted SOOOO bad),

3. Allyn E. Kilsheimer, P.E. CEO, KCE Structural Engineers PC; chief structural engineer, Phoenix project; expert in blast recovery, concrete structures, emergency response
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Show me where these people say the videos of WTC 7 don't look like a CD.
 
Christopher, my challenge to you is finding a multi-story tube-in-a-tube building that has survived an airliner crashing into it at over 500mph and the resulting fires. Just one. Or even one that survived having tons of material crashing into it causing extensive damage and a diesel fuel fed fire. Just one.



While you're at it, provide an example of a controlled demolition by explosives before or since 9/11 that:

  1. The penthouse collapses seconds prior to the rest of the building
  2. Has no sound of the explosive sequence without the sound being muted.
  3. Damages the surrounding buildings.
  4. Ordered and/or carried out by the fire department.
  5. Has firemen running from it saying that the building is going to explode.
  6. Had the term "pull it" used to describe what they were going to do.
  7. Had the walls demolished, columns cut, explosives installed and det chord run accomplished in hours while the building was on fire and without anybody noticing.
 
Christopher7 said:
That post is about the lack of evidence for the official story.
You cannot dispute anything in it so you subject shift.
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You should add stuff that is evidence fir the official story?

Like no large explosions?

Are you calling Craig a liar?
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I will not pass judgement, but surely you have more than this? there would be thousands of people who heard it, listen to the explosions on implosion world, people for miles would have heard them, there were thousands watching and listening

[FONT=&quot]Former NYPD Officer & 9/11 First Responder Craig Bartmer:
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]I started running, and the ****'s hitting the ground behind me, and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... [/FONT]
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Why is he only hearing it after he is running? He would have started running when he heard a few explosions then saw the building move? he is obviously describing the noise of the building as it hits the deck?

NIST told they have two videos with sound recorded just before and during the collapse.
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Eh, I have not seen or heard any sound or video in any film of the WTC7 or seen thosands of people claiming there were multiple huge explosions echoing around Manhattan that day?

It's Michael and Barry who said there were explosions.
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You've lost Barry, sorry

I will have a look at Michaels testimony

Now where do I get some of the silent explosives?
 
Christopher7 said:
Show me where these people say the videos of WTC 7 don't look like a CD.
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Why would they? They might say it looks like one but it isn't one?

Just because something looks like something it does not mean it is something, how can you be so pigheaded about that?

is it cause that is all you have?

I bet they would say it does not sound like a CD

You wouldnt though would you? It would burst the bubble
 
Former NYPD Officer & 9/11 First Responder Craig Bartmer:
I started running, and the ****'s hitting the ground behind me, and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it...
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1. He doesn't hear anything until after the collapse is well under way.
2. He is running for his life. How could he distinguish between the sound of an explosive and the sound of the floors collapsing?
Remember. He says that he knows the sound of an explosion as opposed to the sound of explosives. So, why isn't there a single audio recording of the explosive sequence that always accompanies a controlled demolition by explosives?
 
Christopher7 said:
Your arrogance is only exceeded by your denial.

Everyone here thinks they know more about CD's than the owner of a demolitions company.

He saw several videos of the implosion of WTC 7.

He remained steadfast in his professional opinion.
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Several pages back I asked you which video he was shown.

You admitted you didn't know.

Now you say he was shown several.

Methinks you're just resorting to plain LIES.
 
Christopher7 said:
No evidence DD/F caused collapse

There were fires on several floors, at different times, in the area of the initiating event.
[the failure of core column 79, 80 and/or 81]

Fires in east half of WTC 7

NIST
11:30 a.m. to 2:30 p.m.
Fire on floor 12, moved toward the east face
2:00 to 2:30 p.m.
Fires on east face Floors 11 and 12 at the southeast corner, progressing north

As of 3:00 p.m., there were fires on floors 11 and 12 in the area of the initiating event.


Some time later, fires on 8 and 13



A core column, weighing over 4 tons per floor, would have to be uniformly heated to about 1,000 F, and 3 or 4 floors would have to collapse all around that column, before it could break at 3 splice joints and buckle.

There is no evidence that the initiating event was caused by fire.

There was no debris damage to or near the area of the initiating event.



That's the evidence.

Debris damage to the other end of the building,

and fires that a burned on a few floors, for a few hours, at different times, in the area where the collapse began.
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The debris damage could be broken into 3 groups.
1) the damage visible in photos and videos
2) the damage know of by eye witness testimony
3) damage not seen by anyone

1) We can agree that several columns on the south side of the building were severed, that the SW corner had the corner column and several adjacent columns ripped away to a height of more than a dozen stories, that windows were broken over much of the southern face up a couple of dozen stories.

2) We can agree that two elevator cars were ejected from their shafts at the 8th floor, that several persons mention a long , tall gash in the south face of the building.

3) We, I believe, could agree that there well may be internal damage that was not witnessed by anyone.

We know that there was a bulge in the side of the south face. It it quite apparent that a bulge means a huge degree of lateral stress is being put on the internal columns of the structure at, and just above the cantilever truss system that transfers the load of the upper stories above the pre-existing Con-Ed building.

We know that there were then fires on many floors of the building and that one of these major fires burned about the area of the (visible) initiating event and we know that steel does weaken as it is heated.


Therefore we know for fact that this building was in bad condition and that its condition worsened throughout the day.
It creaked and groaned and bulged and was subject to several major fires.
Then it collapsed.

It is too bad that you cannot believe that the violence done to this building, the insults it took, were enough to cause its collapse. However your personal incredulity aside the evidence does indeed point that way.

On the other hand you have nothing but eyewitness reports of "explosions", one occuring very, very likely while one of the towers was collapsing and the other occuring as WTC 7 itself was collapsing. You also claim that the manner of collapse is weighty evidence of something other than DD/F caused collapse when in fact it is indicative soley of a collapse that began along the centerline of the structure which cannot be said to be something that only demolitions could do.

Given all that you have said I personally would put the likihood of this collapse being DD/F, versus demolition caused, at 10 to 1 or better.
 
"Christopher7 has a great point. If it can't be shown on YouTube, it isn't evidence."

Unless is supports a CD!
 
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