911 and the Propaganda Model

[DGM]

Another thing to consider is most of the people MJD refers (his age group) to were young (under 18) in 2001. How much news does that age group (as a whole) watch? For us older folks boxedin: ) we saw plenty of coverage for all the events for weeks on end. Most people I know can tell you about WTC 7.
So I don't think its that unusual if you asked someone in their early 20's now that they don't know that many trivial details.

 

[johnny karate]

The fact that artilcles have appeared doesnt do anyting to show that it hasnt been overwhelmingly censored.

So, the fact that it was widely reported doesn't dispove that is wasn't wildly reported? Are you joking? Do you even know what "censored" means?

Public opinion shows this. And this is overwhelmingly one sided.

Please explain how the public's ignorance of a subject means that subject has been censored. Most people probably couldn't tell you who the 27th president of the United staes was. Has that information been censored too?

 

[Sparky]

The name of the 3rd man on the moon doesnt matter. No one cares.

The 3rd man to step foot on the surface of the moon was Pete Conrad. In the long run, I think that fact may be more remembered than the destruction of WTC 7 by collateral damage from WTC 1 & 2.

BTW, can you find the USA on a map of the world? Many can't you know.

 

[The Big Dog]

You are confused. The point is to tell people who dont know about it, about it, and see their reaction. The number of people who know about it is well known, its about 50%. This illustrates nothing favourable to msm incidentally, as it doesnt show how people found this out.

I admit it! I am confused. I have been posting in a thread where you claim that WTC7 has been censored. Now you admit that 50% of the people know about it?

I am gobsmacked! Why in the world did I waste my time on this nonsense?

 

[Drudgewire]

BTW, can you find the USA on a map of the world? Many can't you know.

Well, lots of Americans don't have maps.

 

[Brainache]

I'm sorry, but no no no!!! This is an horrendous, steaming, stinking fly infested pile of rhinoceros poop of a point!

The name of the 3rd man on the moon doesnt matter. No one cares. The names of the 5 "plumbers" doesnt matter either. I dont know most of their names. It is irrelevant. As I have said before, there is a very simple way to gauge this- ask people. We all know what the result is when you do this, since we have all done it. We have all been in this position. And we have all WTF when we have been told. It couldnt be more clear.

Face it mjd, WTC7 is the Michael Collins of 9/11. It was just along for the ride.(no disrespect for Michael Collins) You think it is so important because it had super sekret spy bunkers inside it. Do you really think that the super sekret spy community would choose demolition as a way to remove paperwork and wipe hard drives?

And this isnt even dealing with the other elements I have stated, e.g. Rodriguez, PNAC, Mohabbat etc. Following the PM accurately, you can only get to one conclusion.

That these other elements in no way support an inside job?

 

[Pardalis]

I'm sorry, but no no no!!! This is an horrendous, steaming, stinking fly infested pile of rhinoceros poop of a point!

Thanks, you must have put alot of energy into that one.

The name of the 3rd man on the moon doesnt matter. No one cares.

And nobody cares about WTC7

As I have said before, there is a very simple way to gauge this- ask people. We all know what the result is when you do this, since we have all done it. We have all been in this position. And we have all WTF when we have been told. It couldnt be more clear.

I've talked about WTC7 to members of my family and friends, they didn't seem to care. Of course, I didn't imply any foul play about the collapse of WTC7. I guess it's in how you present the news about WTC7. If you imply that something went wrong and that it smells fishy, of course you'll get a different reaction from when you don't imply anything, and just say this building fell a couple of hours later and they're still studying the reasons.

And this isnt even dealing with the other elements I have stated, e.g. Rodriguez, PNAC, Mohabbat etc. Following the PM accurately, you can only get to one conclusion.

False dilemma fallacy.

 

[boloboffin]

There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

Apologies to Douglas Adams.

No apologies needed for that one.

 

[DGM]

And this isnt even dealing with the other elements I have stated, e.g. Rodriguez, PNAC, Mohabbat etc. Following the PM accurately, you can only get to one conclusion.

The only problem is the PM your following is the "truth" movements. Real freedom comes when you can think for yourself and examine ALL the evidence.

 

[Drudgewire]

Well, lots of Americans don't have maps.

And yes, I'm a South Carolinian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

 

[mjd1982]

I admit it! I am confused. I have been posting in a thread where you claim that WTC7 has been censored. Now you admit that 50% of the people know about it?

I am gobsmacked! Why in the world did I waste my time on this nonsense?

YOu are confused because you have chosen not to read the entirety of my post. 50% of people do know this- but you do not know how many of them have found out thru the MSM, and how many thru other sources. So the poll, as an indicator of msm censorship, is worthless.

 

[mjd1982]

I will repeat the point, to address all the others, which is very simple, and which none of you choose to address- the indicator of censorship is not whether you, or i think it should have been reported, rather what the public thinks. Go out, and tell people that there was a 3rd bulding to fall on 911, a 47 story skyscraper, or better yet, show them the video. Then you will see the newswothiness of this or not. I am going out to do this today; you chaps can do the same.

 

[CJOKUSAP]

The corporate media filters what the lazy and semi-literatre hear and read. WHADDA SUPRIZE! Those of us who read and listen to alternative radio like AAR and actually have lives which bring us into contact with real people in 3D know someone is gaming us.

And I can see that someone is trying to game the internet, by putting up garbage-laden blogs and invading every political or scientific discussion message board into which they can stick their slimy tentacles.

White nationalism would still be gasping for its last breath, had those useless wankers not found the web.

So now, they can spread disinfo to raise concerns among the exciteable rednecks that the gubmint has gone rougue and there is nothin ya can do about it but getcher gun and go overthrow the SOBs.

9/11 was such a unique event in history that few people can even get their minds around it. Butr an expert counsellor can help them. A counselor can show them how to process that information into an activist attitude.

White nationalists are good at very little in this world, but they do know how to bend people's minds around the idea that government is not to be trusted.

Actually, the white nationalists have it easier than the government. They don't really need to fix any problems.

This shows your entire problem in a nutshell; you can't even see beyond your own back-yard for your "enemies"!

 

[Pardalis]

the indicator of censorship is not whether you, or i think it should have been reported, rather what the public thinks.

Nope.

 

[The Big Dog]

It is amazing to read these two posts back to back:

"YOu are confused because you have chosen not to read the entirety of my post. 50% of people do know this- but you do not know how many of them have found out thru the MSM, and how many thru other sources. So the poll, as an indicator of msm censorship, is worthless."

and then:

"I will repeat the point, to address all the others, which is very simple, and which none of you choose to address- the indicator of censorship is not whether you, or i think it should have been reported, rather what the public thinks. Go out, and tell people that there was a 3rd bulding to fall on 911, a 47 story skyscraper, or better yet, show them the video. Then you will see the newswothiness of this or not. I am going out to do this today; you chaps can do the same."

Yeah, just don't ask the 50% who have heard of WTC7! Because it is censorship!

What a waste of electrons.

 

[mjd1982]

It is amazing to read these two posts back to back:

"YOu are confused because you have chosen not to read the entirety of my post. 50% of people do know this- but you do not know how many of them have found out thru the MSM, and how many thru other sources. So the poll, as an indicator of msm censorship, is worthless."

and then:

"I will repeat the point, to address all the others, which is very simple, and which none of you choose to address- the indicator of censorship is not whether you, or i think it should have been reported, rather what the public thinks. Go out, and tell people that there was a 3rd bulding to fall on 911, a 47 story skyscraper, or better yet, show them the video. Then you will see the newswothiness of this or not. I am going out to do this today; you chaps can do the same."

Yeah, just don't ask the 50% who have heard of WTC7! Because it is censorship!

What a waste of electrons.

Ok, well here you have read my post, well done, but you have not understood it. I wil go thru it very slowly for you now.

50% of people know about wtc7. However, we do not know how many of them know this thru MSM sources. So, as an indicator of whether this has been censored from the MSM, you can ask people who know about it. It will be very easy. Where did they find out about wtc7? You will get a very clear answer- it will be thru internet sites and documentaries. Now, if you want to find out whether this is an item that should have been covered by the msm, i.e is it newsworthy enough, all you need to do again, is ask people, who dont know about it, and gauge their reaction to the fact that this item has hardly appeared anywhere in the MSM. Very easy. i did it today at Speakers Corner in London, and the reaction was as unanimous as it always is. Very very simple, though it does require a) intellect, and b) intellectua honesty, Your movement is lacking for certain in one, and most probably in the other. Sad though it is to say.

 

[The Big Dog]

"Very very simple, though it does require a) intellect, and b) intellectua honesty, Your movement is lacking for certain in one, and most probably in the other. Sad though it is to say."

Oh please, your whole theory is pathetic. 50% of the people have heard of WTC7, by your own admission, and yet you claim that the 50% that have not heard of it are the result solely of Main Stream Media not reporting it?

Your experiment is grossly misleading, and you are deluding yourself.

By the way, I noticed that you talk about "my movement." I also note that your avatar includes Zola's famous attack on the anti-semetic leaders in france. How does it feel to be sharing common cause with neo-Nazis and the virulently anti-semetic segement of the "Truth" movement?

 

[pomeroo]

You have instantly misunderstood the most elementary part of the post. 7 is not censored because "most people don't care about WTC7". It is censored because it is detrimental to powerful interests. Ditto the rest of my post.



What censorship? The fact that no one knows about it, that censorship.

You may want to claim that no one cared about it, since it "wasn't attacked by terrorists", but that a 47 story building can collapse and elicit essentially zero MSM coverage is an ipso fact instance of gross censorship of rudimentary details, just as the PM would predict.



My bad on the white elephant. I meant that it was a big object sitting there and making people uncomfortable.

2nd point, my quote was "the collapse of the building...disappeared down the Orwellian memory hole, oblivious to the public consciousness." I dont think this is too hard to understand.



Would smaller ones help?

To date, no fantasist has come close to fitting the collapse of WTC 7 into any sort of coherent theory. Your imaginary, mathematically-impossible conspiracy brought down a 47-story building seven hours after the attacks...to do what? Stop babbling and try to make sense of this event.

 

[mjd1982]

To date, no fantasist has come close to fitting the collapse of WTC 7 into any sort of coherent theory. Your imaginary, mathematically-impossible conspiracy brought down a 47-story building seven hours after the attacks...to do what? Stop babbling and try to make sense of this event.

1. You have missed the point of the thread, which is to assess the TM in the light of the propaganda model, through whicn lens we come to a very simple and unequivocal conclusion.

2. Had you paid closer attention to this post, as well as its subsequent ramifications regarding cultural and sociological propaganda, you would stop ranting about a "mathematically impossible conspiracy". Think about it- if you cannot figure it out, let me know and I will help you.

3. The reasons why it would have been imploded are irrelevant. We have the known suspicion, rgarding the tenants/contents, but logically, this matters not at all. Understand 911 through the lens of the PM, and these confusions will become a lot clearer to you, and your herd of, well, fantasists.

 

[mjd1982]

"Very very simple, though it does require a) intellect, and b) intellectua honesty, Your movement is lacking for certain in one, and most probably in the other. Sad though it is to say."

Oh please, your whole theory is pathetic. 50% of the people have heard of WTC7, by your own admission, and yet you claim that the 50% that have not heard of it are the result solely of Main Stream Media not reporting it?

Your experiment is grossly misleading, and you are deluding yourself.

By the way, I noticed that you talk about "my movement." I also note that your avatar includes Zola's famous attack on the anti-semetic leaders in france. How does it feel to be sharing common cause with neo-Nazis and the virulently anti-semetic segement of the "Truth" movement?

Ok, well ur 1st 2 points are unsubstantiated opinion, so I dont know what you expect me to say about that.

Good spot on Zola. It is unfortunate that there are anti semites and neo nazis in my movement. I am certain that there are also such in yours. This is completely irrelevant to any sort of argument here. You, and the rest if your movement, need to learn focus.