Creepy

[Funk you still haven't said anything. Waffling along with no foundation. We both have opinions and I've supported mine where you haven't said anything of any substance.

No, you have made claims and you have not backed them up. He is not a CIA agent, it is simple even for you to see this is wrong.

My opinion is the CIA can be bad boys, but I have no proof so I dont make a claim

try it some time
 
Any intelligence should have to report to a secret court. A secret court in which the judge is voted into his position.
1. You don't trust the President. The people voted Bush into office. TWICE! Yet you trust them to appoint someone to lead over secret courts that we never get to hear about and get it right this time?

2. Do you have any idea what "secret" means?
 
Um, no. I believe I have said numerous times that I work for a PRIVATE contractor that does work for the federal government. My only current government ties are with the military; I am a United States Reserve Army officer with a background in military intelligence.



Well then, you can be glad it's not the National Security Council then; it's the DNI. They may give reports to Congress, but the DNI runs the IC, not them. And trust me when I say, you had better be darned glad I DO have a conscience, otherwise you'd have one less person in the military protecting your butt. And I sleep just fine at night. See, the thing you fail to realize, OldSchool, is that you know NOTHING about the IC; you're viewing it from a civilian perspective, which does not entail much knowledge about the inner workings of the IC. I, on the other hand, have actually been exposed to many of the inner workings, and I find your Hollywood-based perspective very amusing, but completely unworkable. Might want to quit getting your information from movies.

The Military isn't protecting the United States. Our national security is at an all time low because of an operation based completely on economics. At the College I attended there was a Government documents section of the library. Spent many many hours over two years reading a variety of documents. The documents speak for themselves.

And here's where I get offended. MY view of the CIA is wrong? I'm not the one looking at it from the perspective of the movies I've watched! I know numerous people who either have worked or currently work in the CIA, and they are all fine people whom I would be proud to work with. I'm not saying the CIA or any other intelligence agency is perfect; they've all made mistakes in the past (failing to file the FISA warrants for the wiretapping comes to mind), but viewing them as this evil cabal of terrorists merely epitomizes your sad delusions to the point of paranoia.

Your opinion of co-workers isn't important. If they were good people they wouldn't be part of such an institution to begin with. Have the paranoia issue backwards. Intelligence represents our governments paranoia. This administration is by far the most paranoid in History. Actually they spread paranoia among the civilian population which has no affect on me.

Ah, NOW we get to the crux of the issue. You're upset because you're left out of the secrets! You think there should be full disclosure of everything, am I right? You think we should reveal the details of everything that the IC does to the people.

I'v already spoken on this passage which you didn't read what I said.

Do you hate America THAT much? Or is this just you pouting because you aren't in on the secrets? I'm guessing the latter.

America is an Evil Empire. What America represented after the revolutionary war and the civil war makes me proud. What America represents today especially the last 8 years isn't something I'd want to claim to be part of in anyway.

Yes well, I could sit here and link to acts that helped maintain the freedoms of this country that were aided and abetted by the IC for hours as well; wonder which of us would be able to come up with more. And trust me when I say, what the government pays me doesn't hold a candle to what I'm currently paid in the private sector. As for the rest of it, quit acting paranoid; it's getting old.

I know for a fact you couldn't possibly begin to compare to the ammount of negative documents and articles available on intelligence.

And again, the paranoia? Not helping us believe you. You want agreement? Try posting some proof, little boy. :rolleyes:

And again the only paranoia is the government. This administration spreads paranoia through its paranoia. Once again, as i'v said many times , I am not scared of the government in anyway. The government should be scared of Americans. Americans out number Politicians and Military. Americans are better armed than anything the Middle East has to offer. President Bush and this administration is dieing. He may yet not survive the length of his term. The republican party is all but destroyed. Democrats will take all of government and possibly Liberalism will really have its chance to shine.

I'm older than you and most definetly far beyond any wisdom you have to offer. I have enough Ethics to never be part of an institution in which you serve. My attacks are not upon what America was meant to represent according to the Constitution and Bill of Rights. My attacks are upon what threatens the basis of our Country. No member of any disinformation or Intelligence institution is going to silence me because i'm not afraid of you. I don't own a gun and don't break the law in anyway. The only threat I pose to our Government is my voice. The day the try to silence voices in this Country is when Government Paranoia may find reality.
 
1. You don't trust the President. The people voted Bush into office. TWICE! Yet you trust them to appoint someone to lead over secret courts that we never get to hear about and get it right this time?

2. Do you have any idea what "secret" means?


George Bush is dead in the water. He has served only to destroy the future of his party. He may yet not servive the remainder of his term. What he has done will be exposed over time. History may remember his term as the beginning of the end for the Republican Party. To answer your question, there isn't any reason to trust any Politician.
 
No, you have made claims and you have not backed them up. He is not a CIA agent, it is simple even for you to see this is wrong.

My opinion is the CIA can be bad boys, but I have no proof so I dont make a claim

try it some time

Isn't a question of proof its a question of interpretation. I have simply provided a reason for my interpretation where as you have spoken without explaining your opinion.
 
History may remember his term as the beginning of the end for the Republican Party. To answer your question, there isn't any reason to trust any Politician.

You don't suppose they said that after Watergate?

It's OK, you haven't lived long enough to understand political cycles yet. :)
 
Isn't a question of proof its a question of interpretation. I have simply provided a reason for my interpretation where as you have spoken without explaining your opinion.

It never is pal is it?

Cause you have none, just paranoia
 
You don't suppose they said that after Watergate?

It's OK, you haven't lived long enough to understand political cycles yet. :)

Watergate was mild compared to the Bush Administration. Nixon was Paranoid and broke into the opposing parties head quarters. The list of impeachable offenses and broken International and constitutional laws for the current administration makes Richard Nixon a Saint. The scandels and resignations of the republican party the last two weeks quite amazing. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Bush and Cheney both resign before there terms expire.
 
It never is pal is it?

Cause you have none, just paranoia

The institution of intelligence is the true defintition of paranoia. I have no paranoia at all. Once again what reason should I have to be paranoid. If I lived in the Middle East possibly I'd be paranoid. The government can go ahead and even wire tap me i'm clean and could really care less. All they're going to here is dirty talk and dirty text messages between my Girlfriend and I.

Still haven't supported your opinion with anything.
 
Watergate was mild compared to the Bush Administration. Nixon was Paranoid and broke into the opposing parties head quarters. The list of impeachable offenses and broken International and constitutional laws for the current administration makes Richard Nixon a Saint. The scandels and resignations of the republican party the last two weeks quite amazing. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Bush and Cheney both resign before there terms expire.
Four years from now the Republican party won't have anything to do with Bush and the Democrats will be getting blamed for everything.

It's how things work.
 
Four years from now the Republican party won't have anything to do with Bush and the Democrats will be getting blamed for everything.

It's how things work.

Possibly what you're saying may be true. However, considering the events of the last two weeks and the potential for term limits under a Clinton Administration the government could be very different in 4 years. The swing party control after the next election will paint a bigger picture. It may take as much as 12 years or more for the republicans to regain control of congress if they ever do. The other thing you have to consider is the possibilty of an Independant President 8 years from now. I think you're right on by Historical standards. I'm being idealistic and hoping the Democratic party steps up and practices a new found level of ethics.
 
Possibly what you're saying may be true. However, considering the events of the last two weeks and the potential for term limits under a Clinton Administration the government could be very different in 4 years. The swing party control after the next election will paint a bigger picture. It may take as much as 12 years or more for the republicans to regain control of congress if they ever do. The other thing you have to consider is the possibilty of an Independant President 8 years from now. I think you're right on by Historical standards. I'm being idealistic and hoping the Democratic party steps up and practices a new found level of ethics.
"Once the 2000s are over, the 2010s will make the 80s look like the 50s."
 
The institution of intelligence is the true defintition of paranoia. I have no paranoia at all. Once again what reason should I have to be paranoid. If I lived in the Middle East possibly I'd be paranoid. The government can go ahead and even wire tap me i'm clean and could really care less. All they're going to here is dirty talk and dirty text messages between my Girlfriend and I.

Still haven't supported your opinion with anything.

Sort of how you don't support your opinion on the Bush administration with anything.

Paranoia - baseless or excessive suspicion of the motives of others.
 
Possibly what you're saying may be true. However, considering the events of the last two weeks and the potential for term limits under a Clinton Administration the government could be very different in 4 years.

Of what potential term limitations do you speak?
 
The government can go ahead and even wire tap me i'm clean and could really care less.
Very interesting that you support warrantless wiretapping on a whim. You're the first person I've ever seen say that. That sucks.
 
http://www.csun.edu/~hfspc002/news/cia.drug.html

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...-targeted.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_and_Contra's_cocaine_trafficking_in_the_US

http://www.serendipity.li/cia.html


Funk you still haven't said anything. Waffling along with no foundation. We both have opinions and I've supported mine where you haven't said anything of any substance.



Sabrina

"Ah, NOW we get to the crux of the issue. You're upset because you're left out of the secrets! You think there should be full disclosure of everything, am I right? You think we should reveal the details of everything that the IC does to the people."
"Do you hate America THAT much? Or is this just you pouting because you aren't in on the secrets? I'm guessing the latter."

Didn't actually read what I said did you?

Any intelligence should have to report to a secret court. A secret court in which the judge is voted into his position. This judges position should be treated the same as a presidential election. All secret agencies should have to report to this court full disclosure to ensure our agencies are operating within Federal and International Law.

Really. And what would this "secret court" do with the information? In essence you've just created a ruling body. I don't care if the judge gets elected; he would still have as much if not more power than the President.

Besides, the DNI fulfills that position admirably (and I might note that the current DNI, Mike McConnell, has no real loyalty to the Bush Administration, as is evidenced by the fact that he's revealed details of the "illegal wiretapping" to the press recently) without having to create a new branch of the government. All the intelligence agencies have to report to that position. Seems they've found a better way to fulfill your requirements without needing a "secret court" to do it. You're the only one who seems to think they're breaking laws right and left that I can see.
 
You know, I'm getting really tired of these attacks on my integrity. I don't lie, I don't cheat, and I keep my word to protect this nation against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. The same applies to everyone I have met in the intelligence community, and trust me, I've met quite a few, both in positions of power and the regular working joes. You might find it interesting to know that Mike McConnell has stated in a recent press article that at any given time during the "warrantless wiretapping" there were only approximately 100 Americans being investigated. Compared to the thousands of things we monitor from overseas, I'd say that's pretty damn telling. And the warrantless wiretapping has come to a halt; the main reason it began to begin with is a misinterpretation of the Patriot Act and a desire to avoid the hassles involved with filing a FISA warrant. It has halted entirely, to the best of my knowledge. The next time you attack my integrity, I can assure you, I will not be as nice.

I could care less how old you are; your attitude is that of a pouting little boy upset because he's not in on everything that goes on around him. Trust me, I have two young nephews; your attitude is EXACTLY like theirs. THAT is why I call you a little boy; you're too immature to realize you sound like a spoiled brat.

Now, I have a question, and I want a straight answer. List out EVERY SINGLE FREEDOM you think the government has taken away. None of you twoofers ever do this despite screeching about how the government has taken away freedoms, so that is my challenge to you. List them out, and we'll see if you have the guts to stand up to your current accusations.
 
The personalizing of this argument needs to stop now.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Miss Anthrope
 

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