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Jews: politically conservative?

EeneyMinnieMoe said:
I know, I found it a pretty odd comment, too. I asked him to elaborate and he said something to the effect that they were really proper, family oriented, serious about religion, "nice Jewish girl" types and he's found them to be politically conservative, too.

Just a wild guess on my part but he's really active in conservative groups on campus so maybe he met some Jewish girls there he got along with.
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The Jewish girls on campus are not going to be conservative. I think your Republican friend watches a lot of FOX News and has a distorted view of reality.
 
jimtron said:
Is there any ethnic group that "tends" to have a certain political viewpoint or ideology? I doubt it, but correct me if I'm wrong.

eta: The OP uses the phrase "ethnic group," but of course Jewish identity is more complicated than that.
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I would say as a general rule Mormons tend to be Republican and conservative. However, Senator Reed from Nevada provides the exception. One could argue Mormons are an "ethnic group" since most tend to be Scandinavian in there background.
 
jimtron said:
Is there any ethnic group that "tends" to have a certain political viewpoint or ideology? I doubt it, but correct me if I'm wrong.

eta: The OP uses the phrase "ethnic group," but of course Jewish identity is more complicated than that.
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Speaking of them as a demographic, yes. Nothing to do with their genetic makeup, of course.
 
Tim- nyc has about a million jews, which is 16% of all jews nationwide.

As to MaGz accusations, if the Jews really run the USA, how come Iran is still in existance? How come the USA hasn't allowed Israel to ethnically cleanse the Arabs? How come the USA refuses to move its embassy to Jerusalem? These are just a few examples of how the USA does not follow the general will of the Jewish people.

Eeney- Jews actually do have some genetic markers that suggest a long period of no outside genetic influence. yes, there are converts, but the majority of the jews in the world do indeed have DNA going back to ancient Judea.
 
Cleon said:
That's Neturei Karta, anti-Zionist Hassidim. (Hassidim have actually been historically hostile towards Zionism; the exception is the Lubavitch sect, one of the larger ones. They're really the only vocally pro-Israel Hassidic sect as far as I know.)

Neturei Karta are there every year, along with Jews Against the Occupation and other groups critical of Israel. There are more of us than people are generally led to believe.
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Ah, thanks for the explanation.

Get outta here! The Hassidim are anti-Israel?! Why? That's when you know the world's gone crazy, when Pat Robertson is a proud Zionist and the Hassidim aren't.

The Neturei Karta I saw seemed very ticked to be at a Salute to Israel Day parade. I was shocked at how anti-Zionist and angry at Israel they seemed to be; exactly what you might expect from Muslims. :eek: Don't get me wrong, that's odd but very admirable of them, that they'd take such a controversial stand in the name of peace.
 
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parky76 said:
As to MaGz accusations, if the Jews really run the USA, how come Iran is still in existance? How come the USA hasn't allowed Israel to ethnically cleanse the Arabs? How come the USA refuses to move its embassy to Jerusalem? These are just a few examples of how the USA does not follow the general will of the Jewish people.

Eeney- Jews actually do have some genetic markers that suggest a long period of no outside genetic influence. yes, there are converts, but the majority of the jews in the world do indeed have DNA going back to ancient Judea.
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These Jews running the USA theories are all really self-contradictory, politically speaking. Yes, the US is pro-Israel and is now at war with the Muslim world but it doesn't have all that much to do with Jews.

Now, I'm not comparing anyone to Hitler but it reminds me of his self-contradictory rhetoric; "Hate the Jews; they're communists and are destroying the country! Hate the Jews; they're capitalists and are exploiting people and taking all the money!"

I stand corrected then. :o
 
The Satmar and Naturei Karta are not very large. They probably have less then 100,000 members.

The fact remains that most organized Jewish groups are Zionist. Anti-Zionist Jews are to Judaism what Methodists are to Christianity. A caring, opinionated few.

The USA has taken a pro-Israel stance due to several factors. Guilt over the Holocaust, pressure from American Jewish groups, confusion over supposed "shared values" between the USA and Israel, Evangelical Christian anti-Muslim and Messianic thinking, left-over anti-Communist world views, and a host of other rediculous reasons.

America should be Israel's ally...but as fair one. There is no logical reason why supporting a nation of 7 million over 300 million is in America's national, strategic, or idealogical interests.
 
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That's very well put, thank you.

I'm sure the fact that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East also has alot to do with it, unless that's what you mean about left-over ant-Communism and supposed shared values.

If you don't mind me asking, do you support Israel? Are you just critical of the US policy towards it or do you think it's a bad thing to have the state there?
 
EeneyMinnieMoe said:
Ah, thanks for the explanation.

Get outta here! The Hassidim are anti-Israel?! Why?
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Many reasons.

#1, they see Israel as essentially a secular endeavor--the religious aspect of Zionism is fairly recent. Most of the original Zionists were completely secular, if not total atheists.

#2, they see Israel and Zionism as an end-run around God's will. It is God's will that the Jews be exiled from Canaan, so by trying to establish a Jewish state we are (supposedly) going against God's will.

For more information on the anti-Zionist Hassidic perspective, go here.
 
parky76 said:
The Satmar and Naturei Karta are not very large. They probably have less then 100,000 members.
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For Neturei Karta, that may be true, but keep in mind Satmar is the largest Hassidic sect/dynasty/whateveryouwanttocallit out there, and they alone have more than 100,000 adherents (Wikipedia says 120,000). They don't have Lubavitch's public profile, but they make up for it with severe insularity and strong encouragement for women to become baby factories.

And like I said, only Lubavitch has really been vocally Zionist--most of the smaller Hassidic sects are still anti-Zionist (though possibly not as strongly as Satmar, definitely not as strongly as NK). And even then, Lubavitch only really embraced the idea after the Rebbe decided that Israel's victory in the Six-Day War was a sign from God. (Personally, I suspect that more worldly forces were involved in that revelation, but that's just me.)
 
Ahh, so that's why.

From their point of view, though, God gave Israel to the Jews! It says so right in Exodus that it's a God-given Promised Land for the Jews.

Even Pat Robertson thinks so and goes so far as to wish strokes on leaders who try to share it with Muslims. "You're gonna have Israel if you want it or not and that's it!"
 
Oddly, Pat Robertson's perspective on the matter is not of great concern to the Hassidic community.
 
MaGZ said:
I would say as a general rule Mormons tend to be Republican and conservative. However, Senator Reed from Nevada provides the exception. One could argue Mormons are an "ethnic group" since most tend to be Scandinavian in there background.
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Ehm, mormons are scandinavian in their background??? any more than, say, everyone else that migrated from europe to america? is there more scandinavian in mormons than the american population at large???

Please cite sources.
 
TobiasTheCommie said:
Ehm, mormons are scandinavian in their background??? any more than, say, everyone else that migrated from europe to america? is there more scandinavian in mormons than the american population at large???

Please cite sources.
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http://home.byu.net/few2/pdf/Migration%20through%20Hull,%20England.pdf

Perhaps I sould have said Mormons are Anglo-Scandinavian in their background.

http://historytogo.utah.gov/people/ethnic_cultures/the_peoples_of_utah/scandinaviansaga.html
 
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