Time to kick Iran

[Ion]

OK.
...OK, but the examples of mathematicians you gave me, they were all very very old ( 150 to 200 years old, or more ).
At that time, the US was still a very new nation.
Now, I ask you, which is tha nation which propelled the stronger breacktrhoughs in:
- space engineering
- optics
- electronic engineering
- microprocessors
- ..

Thanks

150, 200 years ago U.S. existed.

You don't get a Poincare (France) in 4 years.

You get a Poincare in 100 years.

That's called the culture of a country.

For example French mathematicain Fourier started what it is now known as Fourier Transforms.

In the 19th. century, in Germany, the German school of mathematics produced a long lineage of mathematicians in the footsteps of Fourier.

Riemann, Gauss, Runge from Germany.

Up until 1958's Goertzel's (Germany) Fast Fourier Transform algorithm.

Goertzel's fast Fourier Transform is being used across U.S. in Dual Tone Multi Frequency Detection in Central Offices for detections of what buttons one presses on one's telephone.

From Riemann to Goertzel, that's more than 100 years of mathematical thought cultivated in the German culture.

Regarding:

"...Now, I ask you, which is tha nation which propelled the stronger breacktrhoughs in:
- space engineering
- optics
- electronic engineering
- microprocessors..."

you keep missing my point.

These are done in U.S. with an infusion of new blood from Socialist Europe.

They are not done in U.S.' culture with the U.S. culture.

In Space Engineering, read the contribution of German immigrant von Braun.

In Electronic Engineering and microprocessors, take Intel for example.
It's founded and kept to this day by a Hungarian immigrant.

Texas Instruments, Motorola have an abundance of Electrical Engineers educated in Socialist Europe that they import.
These Electrical Engineers, pillars of U.S. high tech, are not made locally in U.S..

In my experience, the U.S. Engineers are mainly technologists (like programming in Java, Visual Basic, C++) at about the level of a 2-year Community College in Europe (like Institut Universitaire de Technologie in France).
The Engineers from Europe are mainly scientists, with a clue about technology.

 

[Ion]

Something Impossible has happened.
Ion is making Oliver look like a intelligent guy.

I don't need to make Oliver intelligent.

He is intelligent.

You are not.

 

[Ion]

The Taylor expansion of trigonomic functions isn't an approximation. It's only if you use a finite number of terms in the expansion that it becomes an approximation.

You wanted to say infinite instead of finite.

infinite -but practically a huge- number of polynomial terms, do approximate a trigonometric function in the viccinity of 0.

When using a finite number of polynomial terms, it is an approximation to a more or less degree depending on how many polynomial terms one uses.

I have seen approximations of sin x to the first term, x.

 

[Ion]

All society awards:

(in Matteo's list of Fields prizes, there is Perelman who solved in 2003 the Second Fermat's conjecture, and beyond solving Fermat's conjecture he has refused the Fields society award as tainted by politics)

Eesh...that's harsh. Consider this:

Stanford's current community of scholars includes:

• 18 Nobel laureates
• 4 Pulitzer Prize winners
• 24 MacArthur Fellows
• 21 recipients of the National Medal of Science
• 3 National Medal of Technology recipients
• 228 members of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences
• 135 members of the National Academy of Sciences
• 83 National Academy of Engineering members
• 29 members of the National Academy of Education
• 44 American Philosophical Society members
• 7 Wolf Foundation Prize winners
• 7 winners of the Koret Foundation Prize
• 3 Presidential Medal of Freedom winners

Probably room for a tennis star, I think.

Source: http://www.stanford.edu/home/stanford/facts/faculty.html

Hard for me to figure out how any of this bears upon the original post but maybe that's just me...

I want to see one Stanford mathematicain in Engineering books, proof that beyond society awards, mathematics in U.S. contribute to civilization.

It won't happen.

But U.S. wars Iraq and maybe will war Iran, instead.

 

[Ion]

I rely on posters here to improve me mutha tongue. Same way I rely on Ion for an occasional dirty laugh.

You need to get an education equal to the European education, before you pipe a word here.

 

[Ion]

I will look for the book again at the library.

Madame Curie by Eve Curie writes in page 328 on how Marie Curie was perceived in U.S. when visiting it in 1921:

"...Above and beyond the frightened scientist, the American academia was acclaiming an attitude to life which surprised them deeply: the scorn for gain, devotion to an intellectual passion for excellence, and the desire to serve..."

There are many more such quotes, that I can dig upon re-reading the book.

If 1921 is too old, keep in mind that the culture of a country is not made in 4 years, but in more than a hundred.

McEnroe's quote and Bush's example, they show that today U.S. has a propensity for expensive diploma mills.

...
Bush, Bush, always Bush..
OK, Bush is an idiot, so what?
Does that mean that all the Americans are idiots?
I would like to understand this..
...

The problem in graduating airheads is that while some like McEnroe are harmless, others like Bush are harmful to the world.

Yeah, millions of Americans are idiots (they chose Bush, I outlined in my quote from the other thread the low standards in U.S., etc.).

 

[Ion]

...Hard for me to figure out how any of this bears upon the original post but maybe that's just me.
...

It bears on what matters in different cultures:

.) France cultivates and rewards the school of thought (in Poincare for example);

.) U.S. cultivates and rewards the school of primitive beating (in Iraq and Iran for example).

France is a sophisticated brainy country.

U.S. is a simpleton, barbaric and dangerous country to the world.

 

[RandFan]

.) U.S. cultivates and rewards the school of primitive beating (in Iraq and Iran for example).

You bet.

You know what is really odd? People who are not American who are rather upset with America disagreeing with you.



Life is good. Now I just need your shrill personal attack against me. Hey, could you call me a sick conservative?

 

[Ion]

...
Life is good.
...

Life is not good to thousands of dead, and thousands of future dead, due to the U.S.' attitude towards the world.

... Hey, could you call me a sick conservative?

Sick conservative.

 

[RandFan]

Life is not good to thousands of dead, and thousands of future dead, due to the U.S.' attitude towards the world.

Yes, an appeal to emotion. It will always make your position correct.

BTW, what are you doing on an internet forum? There are people out there right now who are suffering and could use your help. There are homeless people. You could go and give them money or food and perhaps pay for them to have a hotel room.

How can you waste a single moment of precious time debating politics when you could be helping people right this very minute. Is your ego really more important than they?

Sick conservative.

Thank you.

 

[stilicho]

All society awards:

(in Matteo's list of Fields prizes, there is Perelman who solved in 2003 the Second Fermat's conjecture, and beyond solving Fermat's conjecture he has refused the Fields society award as tainted by politics)

I want to see one Stanford mathematicain in Engineering books, proof that beyond society awards, mathematics in U.S. contribute to civilization.

It won't happen.

But U.S. wars Iraq and maybe will war Iran, instead.

You don't like the credentials of the professors at Stanford. OK, I understand that. After all, what quality could come in an education garnered from 18 Nobel Prize winners?

But, more to the point, do you figure that America gets involved in more wars abroad than the French because they are stupid?

 

[stilicho]

France cultivates and rewards the school of thought (in Poincare for example);

By the way, you neglected Louis de Broglie, who was both French and in the twentieth century. Unlike most of your examples. Could it be that you are so blinkered by your "education" and "culture" that you forget things a lot?

 

[Matteo Martini]

150, 200 years ago U.S. existed.

But the US were very young..

You don't get a Poincare (France) in 4 years.

You get a Poincare in 100 years.

That's called the culture of a country.

For example French mathematicain Fourier started what it is now known as Fourier Transforms.

In the 19th. century, in Germany, the German school of mathematics produced a long lineage of mathematicians in the footsteps of Fourier.

Riemann, Gauss, Runge from Germany.

Up until 1958's Goertzel's (Germany) Fast Fourier Transform algorithm.

Goertzel's fast Fourier Transform is being used across U.S. in Dual Tone Multi Frequency Detection in Central Offices for detections of what buttons one presses on one's telephone.

From Riemann to Goertzel, that's more than 100 years of mathematical thought cultivated in the German culture.

You still do not reply to me about that " Le Galois "..

Regarding:

"...Now, I ask you, which is tha nation which propelled the stronger breacktrhoughs in:
- space engineering
- optics
- electronic engineering
- microprocessors..."

you keep missing my point.

These are done in U.S. with an infusion of new blood from Socialist Europe.

??????????????
" Socialist Europe "?

They are not done in U.S.' culture with the U.S. culture.

In Space Engineering, read the contribution of German immigrant von Braun.

In Electronic Engineering and microprocessors, take Intel for example.
It's founded and kept to this day by a Hungarian immigrant.

Basically, all the people in the U.S. today, except all natives, are immigrants, or sons of immigrants, or grand-son of immigrants, etc.
Not particularly from Eastern Europe, though..

Texas Instruments, Motorola have an abundance of Electrical Engineers educated in Socialist Europe that they import.
These Electrical Engineers, pillars of U.S. high tech, are not made locally in U.S..

Do you have any evidence, that TI and Motorola import the majority ( or, an abundance ) of Engineers from Eastern Europe, companing to other places?

In my experience, the U.S. Engineers are mainly technologists (like programming in Java, Visual Basic, C++) at about the level of a 2-year Community College in Europe (like Institut Universitaire de Technologie in France).
The Engineers from Europe are mainly scientists, with a clue about technology.

Drat!!
Really strange, that many breakthroughs in science and technology happen in the US, and not in Eastern Europe..

 

[Matteo Martini]

Madame Curie by Eve Curie writes in page 328 on how Marie Curie was perceived in U.S. when visiting it in 1921:

"...Above and beyond the frightened scientist, the American academia was acclaiming an attitude to life which surprised them deeply: the scorn for gain, devotion to an intellectual passion for excellence, and the desire to serve..."

There are many more such quotes, that I can dig upon re-reading the book.

If 1921 is too old, keep in mind that the culture of a country is not made in 4 years, but in more than a hundred.

So, you are bashing the US educational system, because of a quote in a book wrote about 90 years ago..
Geeee....

Yeah, millions of Americans are idiots (they chose Bush, I outlined in my quote from the other thread the low standards in U.S., etc.).

What can you reply on this??
What about Romanians, who had Ceaucescu??

 

[Matteo Martini]

All society awards:

(in Matteo's list of Fields prizes, there is Perelman who solved in 2003 the Second Fermat's conjecture, and beyond solving Fermat's conjecture he has refused the Fields society award as tainted by politics)

I want to see one Stanford mathematicain in Engineering books, proof that beyond society awards, mathematics in U.S. contribute to civilization.

Most part of the classic Mechanical Engineering, and CAlculus, where developed in the 1800s.
As I said, let` s look at the breaktrhoughs from the and of WWII on..

 

[Flo]

IN short, Ion's a perfect nobody who can only hide this fact (from himself) through name-dropping and insults but has absolutely nothing to contribute to anything, if his participation in this forum is any example ...

I guess his former colleagues in France must be pretty relieved to know he's far away ...

 

[Matteo Martini]

I am waiting for him to reply..
Come on, Ion..

 

[Ion]

Yes, an appeal to emotion. It will always make your position correct.
...

Absolutely.

Drop the primitive beatings.

Learn mathematics and contribute to civilization.

 

[Ion]

You don't like the credentials of the professors at Stanford. OK, I understand that. After all, what quality could come in an education garnered from 18 Nobel Prize winners?
...

Not much.

Nobel is politics.

Nobel is even not for mathematics, there is no Nobel in mathematics.

What's the difference between a Pulitzer prize and a People Recognition Award?

None.

They are society awards.

Communist Maurer (Romania) got a People Recognition Award.

Impressive...

Irony aside, what transcends time is what is adopted in Engineering books as useful.
Newton's laws are not taught because they were rewarded socially.
No mentioning of social rewards is made in Engineering books regarding Newton's laws.
Newton's laws are taught because they work in mechanics.

So the test of mathematics is what is validated in Engineering books as being useful.

Again, there is not one American mathematician in Engineering books, since 1776 until today, sign of wrong values taught in U.S..

 

[Ziggurat]

Learn mathematics and contribute to civilization.

Learn mathematics. Definitely. Definitely learn mathematics...