WTC Demolition: One floor or multiple floors?

[1337m4n]

Okay so help me understand something.

Evidence for Controlled Demolition of the World Trade Center towers includes:

--(supposedly) Dustified concrete
--(supposedly) Freefall speed
--"Squibs"
--(supposedly) Total collapse
--Horizontal ejection of debris
--Gravity doesn't provide enough energy

Now we've pointed out several times the logistical problems with every floor being wired for demolition. To do so would take a ridiculous amount of time, a ridiculous amount of resources, would surely cause people to notice, would require miles and miles of detonation cord running all throughout the building, and make the building unusable.

When a Truther inevitably realizes the issues with wiring every single floor for demolition, this is the response:

"Well, you see, the conspirators wouldn't need to wire EVERY floor with explosives. They would only need to wire the handful of impact floors."

So you ask again what proof he has that the Towers were demolished, and he repeats:

--Dustified concrete
--Freefall speed
--"Squibs"
--Total collapse
--Horizontal ejection of debris
--Gravity doesn't provide enough energy

Who else sees a problem here?

 

[twinstead]

For one, exactly how would they determine the exact 'handful of impact floors' beforehand?

Also, they would unwittingly show that a global collapse caused by failure at the impact point was possible. Like with a plane impact and resulting fires...

 

[Dumb All Over]

I don't see a problem here. We already know that troofers use circular reasoning, do not understand what logical fallacies are, and throw logic and reason out the door. No problem at all.

 

[Alt+F4]

The crashes would set off the demolitions at the moment of impact. Demolitions would not be able to withstand the fire for over an hour.

 

[~enigma~]

The crashes would set off the demolitions at the moment of impact. Demolitions would not be able to withstand the fire for over an hour.

What about that thermobaric mini nuke that was sprayed with fire proofing and put above the ceiling tiles in some bathrooms......no how long before this makes the CT rounds?

 

[twinstead]

What about that thermobaric mini nuke that was sprayed with fire proofing and put above the ceiling tiles in some bathrooms......no how long before this makes the CT rounds?

SHHHHHHH! You are going to loose your corner office at NWO headquarters for sure for letting that information out!

 

[~enigma~]

SHHHHHHH! You are going to loose your corner office at NWO headquarters for sure for letting that information out!

Sorry boss

 

[Gravy]

When Demolition Dave posted here he said he'd wire 4 floors at the impact zone, but he didn't have answer to the question of how that work could possibly survive the impacts and fire.

It's interesting that many CTs, including the head Loosers, have moved away from that position and now say that the tops of the towers collapsed from fire and damage, but that the collapses could only have proceeded to the ground with the aid of Hushaboom Invisexplosives. Still waiting for the engineering report on that one!

 

[~enigma~]

When Demolition Dave posted here he said he'd wire 4 floors at the impact zone, but he didn't have answer to the question of how that work could possibly survive the impacts and fire.

It's interesting that many CTs, including the head Loosers, have moved away from that position and now say that the tops of the towers collapsed from fire and damage, but that the collapses could only have proceeded to the ground with the aid of Hushaboom Invisexplosives. Still waiting for the engineering report on that one!

But wouldn't an explosive so powerful that it blew away all traces of itself be what they think was used? And the boom was masked ny the collapse? That sounds kinda unfalsafiable to me and we all know what that means...

 

[PhantomWolf]

I don't see a problem here. We already know that troofers use circular reasoning, do not understand what logical fallacies are, and throw logic and reason out the door. No problem at all.

It's not actually circular reasoning, it's contradictory reasoning. You can't use the same evidence to show the different results.

To get what the CTs claim, both rapid collapse and dustified concrete, you have to have explosives throughout the building, including drilled into the floors to specifically dustify the concrete. If there is no resistance (as in a free fall speed collapse) then there is no way the concrete can be dustified naturally, since that is a result of resistance. If the concrete was dustified then without explosives, there had to be resistance and so the buildings can't have collapsed at freefall.

Reality points out that the buildings neither fell at freefall, and nor was the concrete dustified, but then when did reality and a CT meet?

 

[1337m4n]

It's not actually circular reasoning, it's contradictory reasoning. You can't use the same evidence to show the different results.

To get what the CTs claim, both rapid collapse and dustified concrete, you have to have explosives throughout the building, including drilled into the floors to specifically dustify the concrete. If there is no resistance (as in a free fall speed collapse) then there is no way the concrete can be dustified naturally, since that is a result of resistance. If the concrete was dustified then without explosives, there had to be resistance and so the buildings can't have collapsed at freefall.

Reality points out that the buildings neither fell at freefall, and nor was the concrete dustified, but then when did reality and a CT meet?

Bingo. You win the prize.

Unless EVERY floor was wired with explosives, the freefall speed, the pulverization, the squibs, the ejection of debris, and the total collapse CANNOT be used as evidence for CD, because if only the impact floors were wired, it would just show that all of those phenomena could, in fact, be explained by progressive collapse.

To be fair, twinstead alluded to this, so I guess he wins the prize, too. And the other people here made so good points too. But PhantomWolf read my mind as to what I was getting at.

 

[twinstead]

To be fair, twinstead alluded to this, so I guess he wins the prize, too. And the other people here made so good points too. But PhantomWolf read my mind as to what I was getting at.

I'll take a lovely consolation prize.

 

[tacodaemon]

It's interesting that many CTs, including the head Loosers, have moved away from that position and now say that the tops of the towers collapsed from fire and damage, but that the collapses could only have proceeded to the ground with the aid of Hushaboom Invisexplosives. Still waiting for the engineering report on that one!

That reminds me, in the History Channel documentary they mention there's no set release date for LC:FC, and they also let Dylan and Jason ramble on about how every time something from their older Loose Change editions gets disproved, they remove it and start recutting the final version. The documentary makers didn't bother explicitly stating "hey, no wonder they're never going to be able to release it."

 

[Obviousman]

Just another bit like so many others have pointed out: here in Australia there was one of those programmes that show police video / real life footage of crashes, etc.

This one was interesting. The witness described hearing explosions, said that it sounded like something had crashed through the roof, thought an aircraft had crashed into the roof of the building, thought that bombs had gone off.

That was the description given by the guy even after he knew that it was a car that had crashed through the store window. No fire, no explosions, no damage to the roof.

It was at a place called G & G Sporting Goods - in Virgina, I think. The guy was just getting ready to open the store, and decided to check the stock to the rear of the store - just in time to save him from being plowed down by a car coming through the store window.

Maybe he heard squibs going off - or thermate bombs.