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10 story hole in WTC 7

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If he was in the building for 1 1/2 hours before reaching the lobby AND he had arrived at the OEM after it had been ordered evacuated at 9:44 then he was in that lobby well after ( after 11 am) both towers had collapsed.
 
To be sure , we do not know when Jennings and Hess got to the OEM other than it was after 9:44am.

Barry says that both towers were standing when he looked. The very earliest time that could refer to is when they were up at the OEM. It is not clear in the partial interview clips, where he was when he saw both towers standing.

It is possible that the 'explosion' they experienced then is the collapse of WTC 2, not WTC 1.

He says the stairwell was impassable and damaged by the explosion, or at least he says the landing 'gave out'.

They were then on the 8th floor for an hour and a half meaning that no matter when they started down the stairs, they were in WTC 7 during both collapses. Therefore any damage they saw while exiting was after such things as the dozen storey tall, 25 foot deep gouge in the SW corner and all other structural damage visible from the outside, had occured.
 
BTW

There were fires on several floors, at different times, in the area of the initiating event.
[the failure of core column 79, 80 and/or 81]

Fires in east half of WTC 7

NIST:
11:30 a.m. to 2:30 p.m.
Fire on floor 12, moved toward the east face
2:00 to 2:30 p.m.
Fires on east face Floors 11 and 12 at the southeast corner

As of 2:30 p.m., there were fires on floors 11 and 12 in the area of the initiating event.

There is no evidence that the initiating event was caused by fire.

In order for fire to cause a core column to fail, 4 floors would have to collapse all around that column, and it would have to be uniformly heated to about 1,000 F.

There was no debris damage to or near the area of the initiating event.



That's your evidence.

Debris damage to the other end of the building.

and fires that a burned on a few floors, for a few hours, in the area where the collapse began.
 
Galileo said:
he is not being mis-interpreted as I can hear his own words.

Nor is he mistaken as his story was out on day 1, is consistent, is not contradicted by any other evidence, and he is a person of great character.
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it is contradicted by his own statements in a later inteview he gave

(the link for this is earlier in this thread)

even C7 admits this

timelines people, its all about shoddy timelines
 
jaydeehess said:
Catelano was on the 44th floor IIRC when the first plane hit.
He was trying to help manage the triage in the loading dock of WTC 7 After # 2 fell.

There is no indication he left the building between those times.

He states he felt the building shake when the plane hit WTC1, 350 feet away. It is rather silly to assume then that he would not have felt an explosion within the very same building, that had enough power to cause structural damage to it.

There is no witness report from anyone who was in the lobby of WTC 7 in which they state that before either tower fell they felt an explosion within WTC 7. In fact if an explosion occured that would greatly damage the stairwell then it can be inferred with near certainty that it would also blow the stairwell doors open at the bottom of the stairs. The doors at the bottom of a fire exit always open outward. No one reports any indication, such as an expelling of dust, from these doors before the towers fell.

Let's dispel one thing brought up in one of your links.The destroyed lobby of WTC 7 reported by the witness cannot in any way be attributed to any explosion within WTC 7 occuring before either tower collapsed. There were people in the lobby, which was in pristine condition at the time, when WTC 2 fell. There were people in the streets near WTC 7 before WTC 2 fell as well. No one reported that the lobby of WTC 7 blew out before the collapse of WTC 2.
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This is all 9/11 falser speculation.

How do you know Catelano was by a window where he could see the plane?

Why would a plane hitting the 95th floor of a building rock the 44th floor of a building 355+ feet away?

It was a hectic day, and sometimes witnesses get confused. Catelano felt the explosions described by Barry Jennings or Willie Rodriguez.
 
Christopher7 said:
BTW

There were fires on several floors, at different times, in the area of the initiating event.
[the failure of core column 79, 80 and/or 81]

Fires in east half of WTC 7

NIST:
11:30 a.m. to 2:30 p.m.
Fire on floor 12, moved toward the east face
2:00 to 2:30 p.m.
Fires on east face Floors 11 and 12 at the southeast corner

As of 2:30 p.m., there were fires on floors 11 and 12 in the area of the initiating event.

There is no evidence that the initiating event was caused by fire.

In order for fire to cause a core column to fail, 4 floors would have to collapse all around that column, and it would have to be uniformly heated to about 1,000 F.

There was no debris damage to or near the area of the initiating event.



That's your evidence.

Debris damage to the other end of the building.

and fires that a burned on a few floors, for a few hours, in the area where the collapse began.
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Christopher hit the nail on the head here, there is no relationship between debris hitting the south side of WTC 7 at 10:30, and fires hours later in other places.

Why didn't the NORTH TOWER catch fire when the SOUTH TOWER fell?

Have you 9/11 falsers ever thought out your crazy theories before going public with them?

I doubt it.
 
Galileo said:
This is all 9/11 falser speculation.

How do you know Catelano was by a window where he could see the plane?

Why would a plane hitting the 95th floor of a building rock the 44th floor of a building 355+ feet away?

It was a hectic day, and sometimes witnesses get confused. Catelano felt the explosions described by Barry Jennings or Willie Rodriguez.
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Because it shook the ground that both buildings were standing on, and the fireball probably rattled the windows too. I personally know people who felt it on the 42nd floor of a building several blocks away.
 
Why would a plane hitting the 95th floor of a building rock the 44th floor of a building 355+ feet away?
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This may come as a 'shock' to you, but skyscrapers are really, really heavy and they actually sit on the ground. These skyscrapers are pretty good at transmitting vibrations, especially when those vibrations are caused THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND POUND JETLINERS FLYING INTO THEM AT 500 MILES PER HOUR.

Additionally, the ground can actually transmit vibrations from events like, say, earthquakes or trains passing by or even THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND POUND JETLINERS FLYING INTO SKYSCRAPERS AT 500 MILES PER HOUR.

So it's really only a mystery to the scientifically impaired.
 
Galileo said:
This is all 9/11 falser speculation.

How do you know Catelano was by a window where he could see the plane?

Why would a plane hitting the 95th floor of a building rock the 44th floor of a building 355+ feet away?

It was a hectic day, and sometimes witnesses get confused. Catelano felt the explosions described by Barry Jennings or Willie Rodriguez.
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Odd that you would put it that way.

In fact Catelano states that he was in a room with no windows. He and the guys he was with felt the shaking and heard the sound and ran to where they could look outside. There, within minutes of this shaking and sound, they saw the WTC 1 on fire. So IF Jennings and Hess felt the same thing then you are going to have to explain how it was that they were at a recently abandoned OEM BEFORE any plane hit anything.
So, do you think about what you are going to put forth before going public with it?



Rodriquez was in the basement but makes the extrodinary claim that of the two sounds he heard/felt, the first one was an explosion while the second, only seconds later, was the plane hitting the building. Some time after both sounds he saw the destruction in the basement shop meaning that it is by no means certain that the destruction occured before the plane impact as he implies.
 
Galileo said:
This is all 9/11 falser speculation.
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What the hell's a "falser" ?

Why would a plane hitting the 95th floor of a building rock the 44th floor of a building 355+ feet away?
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Because this isn't a video game. Explosions tend to create shock waves.

It was a hectic day, and sometimes witnesses get confused.
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Not in trutherversetm. Everything has a reason. Everything.

Christopher hit the nail on the head here, there is no relationship between debris hitting the south side of WTC 7 at 10:30, and fires hours later in other places.
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No relationship ? Everything's there and has been admitted on this thread. Debris started the fires. Fires spread. Fires damage other parts of the structure. Structure fails. Structure collapses.

Exactly which part of this scenario do you have a problem with ?

Why didn't the NORTH TOWER catch fire when the SOUTH TOWER fell?
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Why would it ? And how do you know that the lower floors of 1 WTC weren't damaged when 2 WTC came down ?

Have you 9/11 falsers ever thought out your crazy theories before going public with them?

I doubt it.
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I'm sure you're right. Only deluded fools, ignoramuses and shills can believe the "official" story. Of course, that means MOST people are shills or fools, and that also places almost all of the relevant experts of the world in that category. It also means that the most impossible conspiracy theory in history is true.

Nah, I'll stick with reality.
 
And how do you know that the lower floors of 1 WTC weren't damaged when 2 WTC came down ?
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There are in fact many references out there to the condition of the lobby of WTC 1 after WTC 2 came down, and it was not good. Most people in WTC 1 were in the stairwells when WTC 2 collapsed, very few were in office floors, the power was out as well. there was therefore few people to witness any fire that may have occured as a result of the collapse of WTC 2 and with the power out there was one less fashion by which fires could start. Power was still on in WTC 7 when WTC 2 came down. Main power was off in #7 by the time WTC 1 came down (IIRC) but with the generators in the building there is a decent chance that power was on on some floors at least.

Then there is the dust. That dust would tend to cover anything smoldering on lower floors of any building affected by the collapse of the towers. This would mean that fires would generally be on floors a little higher up and indeed right after the collapses the fires in buildings were mostly several floors up. Vehicles are another story in that they contain one of the most dangerous flammable liquids in common usage, gasoline, which is a definite acellerant.
 
Belz... said:
Thanks, Jay. Just pointing out, for those confused, that you were responding to me.
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oops, yes. Did not use the actual quote function and forgot to include your name.

I might also add that the time between collapses of #1 and #2 was such that any fires that might have stared in WTC 1 would simply not have much time to increase unlike WTC 7 in which it had 7 hours.
 
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