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Ion said:
Because from France, I name mathematicians Fourier, Le Galois, d'Alembert, Cauchy, Descartes, Poincare, Fourmi, Fermat, La Place, l'Hopital in Engineering books.
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The majority of the mathematicians you are quoting, lived in the end of the 18th or in the beginning of the 19th century.
Pierre de Fermat, lived in the 17th century.
Considering that America was born in 1776 ( I hope I am not wrong on this ), give them some time to catch up.
Now, look at the Nobel Prizes of the 20th century..
 
BeAChooser said:
Except that's not a fact. If Saddam had no WMD, why did he go to the trouble of sanitizing files, computers and facilities the ISG said were related to WMD? If Saddam had no WMD, then where did that binary sarin shell come from and why did the ISG say there might be others? If Saddam had no WMD, what was in the trucks that were seen going to Syria before the war? The ISG said they have credible sources that indicate they contained WMD related items. If Saddam had no WMD, why allow his regime to be toppled and himself to be tried and executed, when all he had to do was prove that to the UN inspectors from the start?

And by the way, the war wasn't just about whether Iraq had WMD anyway.
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Not no WMD at all, but " no military relevant quantities of WMD ", or something like that.
We had a thread on that, some time ago.
 
WildCat said:
It obviously applies, because you live in the USA. Fact is, because there was no work for you in your beloved France you had to come work in a country you hate among people you hate, and it has made you angry and bitter. But you would rather be angry and bitter, surrounded by people you hate and despise, than live in France.

That is a fact.
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Sorry to interrupt you in this fascinating p***** contest, but as a Frenchwoman living in France, I'd like to make you aware that France isn't a socialist country (Chirac wasn't socialist, nor is Sarkozy), and the main reason people like Ion go from Romania to France to the US isn't so much because there's no work for them in Europe but because they spend their lives in the delusion that "over there, grass is rosier". Of course, upon realising that nobody anywhere will offer them the position of "supreme-arch-illuminating-leader" of whatever field they think they exell in, the bitterness returns. I predict the next generation will bore us from China with the exact same discourse ...


Carry on ...
 
Flo said:
.. the main reason people like Ion go from Romania to France to the US isn't so much because there's no work for them in Europe but because they spend their lives in the delusion that "over there, grass is rosier".
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Well, many people do move from country to country as they expect a better life in another country.
This happens today, as many Albianians, Maroccoans, etc. move to Italy, Turks to Germany, Mexicans to the US, Africans to France, etc.
And, the same reason why, in the past, Italians moved to the US or South America, etc.
The grass is sometime rosier somewhere else..
 
Matteo Martini said:
Well, many people do move from country to country as they expect a better life in another country.
This happens today, as many Albianians, Maroccoans, etc. move to Italy, Turks to Germany, Mexicans to the US, Africans to France, etc.
And, the same reason why, in the past, Italians moved to the US or South America, etc.
The grass is sometime rosier somewhere else..
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You're right, but I was commenting specifically on Ion's stupid rantings, not on people leaving a poor country lacking in opportunities for jobs or for creating businesses (not to mention basic individual freedoms and safety). I know of a number of Swiss and French people like him, who left to the US because they weren't good enough to land a good job here, or create a viable business, and usually blamed it on "stupid rules", bureaucracy, taxes, whatever, obstacles that they claimed didn't exist in the New World. Once there, they usually flaunt their (relative) wealth when speaking with us miserable cowards who are staying in decaying Europe, all the while complaining about the failings of decadent American society.
 
Matteo Martini said:
Correa,
what a pleasure.
So much time..
Do you remember?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32275

By the way, I checked and the war you are talking about is something of 130+ years ago..
Not really recent history

About military dictatorship, that happened, but I was pointing out to the foreign policy behaviour, and not to internal problems.

Crimes, in the meaning a nation committing crimes ( outside the boundaries of the nation itself ).

Sorry, I did not specify

As for social injustices, which is the country which does not have them?
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Yes, I remember! I have not been engaged in discussions on the nature of the self lately, but they helped me a lot in recent adverse and happy times.

Oh, lets us get back in track!
130, 1000, 10 years... Moral relativism apart, a crime is a crime, regardless of how long ago it was commited.

And our millitary dictatorship was involved in what could be labelled as crimes outside our boundaries.
Check this:
http://www.crimesofwar.org/special/condor.html
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010306/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor

These are in Portuguese:
http://www.usp.br/jorusp/arquivo/2005/jusp728/pag0405.htm
http://www.historianet.com.br/conteudo/default.aspx?codigo=158
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operação_Condor

I think all it takes for a government that commits crimes against its own people to do similar acts beyond its borders is opportunity.

We should wonder how our countries, how our people would react if they were in a position of economical/millitary strenght and leadership (or dominance, if you preffer) similar to USA. Surely we would press our interests forward. But how hard?
 
Correa Neto said:
I think all it takes for a government that commits crimes against its own people to do similar acts beyond its borders is opportunity.

We should wonder how our countries, how our people would react if they were in a position of economical/millitary strenght and leadership (or dominance, if you preffer) similar to USA. Surely we would press our interests forward. But how hard?
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At every points in history, there's been countries in the same position, and every single one has committed crimes against their neighbors in order to press their interests. Compared to what various Asian, pre-Columbian, even African societies, and more recently European colonisators*, did to some of their neighbors, what the USA are doing now isn't particularly "evil", although it certainly can't be considered saintly.

* and it's not stopping: our charming Prez. Sarkozy is being all buddy-buddy with some of the worst kind of dictators in Africa (Bongo), way to promote democracy and human rights, thank you ! :rolleyes:
 
Flo and Matteo:

The tired old English idiom is "The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence."

My late father-in-law liked to say, "The grass is always greener over the sceptic tank."

But "The grass is always rosier" is superior to either, and you have my gratitude for adding a fresh phrase to the language we're forced to share with Ion.

Hoka hey! Hau, hau!
 
sackett said:
But "The grass is always rosier" is superior to either, and you have my gratitude for adding a fresh phrase to the language we're forced to share with Ion.
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The lyrical quality of French idiom adds poetry to yet another expression, this time through mistranslation.

This is a good thing. I was once told that the French referred to crab lice as "the butterflies of amorous love." Not sure if that is true, but it sure is poetic.

DR
 
I rely on posters here to improve me mutha tongue. Same way I rely on Ion for an occasional dirty laugh.
 
Matteo Martini said:
The majority of the mathematicians you are quoting, lived in the end of the 18th or in the beginning of the 19th century.
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Poincare lived in the 20th. century.

Einstein took the mathematics for his theory of Relativity from Poincare's topology.

Le Galois, Ricatti, they lived in the 20th. century.

Right now the French mathematicians work on the string theory, and CalTech (U.S.) plagiarizes them.

I can make a whole list with only 20th. century French mathematicians.

At the same time, U.S. was invading Guatemala for example.

Invading Guatemala doesn't belong in Engineering books.
It beats me how U.S. invading Guatemala improved the world.
I know it improved U.S. Senators who were directors in United Fruit (Guatemala).

However, Poincare's mathematics belong in Engineering books.
Poincare's mathematics (for example his topology) do improve the world.
 
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Flo said:
You're right, but I was commenting specifically on Ion's stupid rantings, not on people leaving a poor country lacking in opportunities for jobs or for creating businesses (not to mention basic individual freedoms and safety). I know of a number of Swiss and French people like him, who left to the US because they weren't good enough to land a good job here, or create a viable business, and usually blamed it on "stupid rules", bureaucracy, taxes, whatever, obstacles that they claimed didn't exist in the New World. Once there, they usually flaunt their (relative) wealth when speaking with us miserable cowards who are staying in decaying Europe, all the while complaining about the failings of decadent American society.
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I had a good job in France up until I left it to immigrate, stupid.

In fact my best job in life (not because of the money, so stop salivating about money) was in France.

I am talking here to a loser French, one whose 'intelligence' couldn't manage to study in Classes Preparatoires aux Grandes Ecoles there.

The cream of the French culture (so no money for you in here) is above your head.
 
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Ion said:
I am talking about the high standards that Socialist Europe has.

High, relative to U.S.'s standards.
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Indeed. The needles used by recreational drug users in Perugia are certainly clean, except for the blood on them. See, I can non sequitur too. Isn't it fun?

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
Indeed. The needles used by recreational drug users in Perugia are certainly clean, except for the blood on them. See, I can non sequitur too. Isn't it fun?

DR
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I don't know what you are saying.

Maybe you should raise your standards.
 
Ion said:
I don't know what you are saying.

Maybe you should raise your standards
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Maybe you should borrow a nickel and rent a clue. Look up non sequitur, then look at your Guatemala remark, and meditate on it.

DR
 
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