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Director of what?

Alareth

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Something has been nagging at me and I just have to ask, despite being referred to constantly as a director, what, if anything, has Dylan actually directed?

He didn't "direct" Loose Change, it edited it.

Is there anything out there that involved actors in front of a camera with Dylan saying "Action!" and guiding the performance?
 
Considering what else Dylan has done to the language, how is this especilally significan?
 
I don't see why you can't call him a director. Plenty of documentaries that aren't about crazy conspiracy theories are basically just a bunch of clips with monologues done over them (for instance Frontline and Ken Burns's stuff, although they tend to throw in some talking head interviews which requires slightly more skill), and they are generally deemed to have been directed. Film directing isn't just about directing actors, it's about leading the overall production of the film. In that Loose Change didn't just fall out of the sky, but rather was something purposefully composed so as to present a certain position, it seems reasonable to say that it was directed, and that Dylan Avery directed it.

Of course, to call him a director when he has not directed much besides this is misleading, but eh. He did direct something, and that act of directing is what he is famous for.
 
not sure how this works with the "attack the arguement, not the person" rule, or even the point of posting this "information", especially in the CT section.
 
but he has directed it 3 times so far...that should count for something :D
 
You gotta love this from the IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0914809/

Plot Synopsis:This plot synopsis is empty. Add a synopsis
User Comments:Google: Screw Loose Change
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From his bio page on the IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0043033/

Director:
In Production
2000s
Loose Change: Final Cut (2007) (post-production)


Loose Change 2nd Edition (2006) (V)
... aka Loose Change Second Edition (Australia: DVD title)

Writer:
In Production
2000s
Loose Change: Final Cut (2007) (post-production)


Loose Change 2nd Edition (2006) (V)
... aka Loose Change Second Edition (Australia: DVD title)

Miscellaneous Crew:
Freedom (1995) (production artwork)

Self:
"The View" .... Himself (1 episode, 2007)
- Episode dated 24 May 2007 (2007) TV Episode .... Himself
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I know the IMDB is not the end all be all of bio information, but that's what is there.
 
Liszt said:
not sure how this works with the "attack the arguement, not the person" rule, or even the point of posting this "information", especially in the CT section.
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DA is not a forum member and so is not protected by the membership agreement. Even if he were this is a specific challenge to claim that he has made and continues to make.
 
Unfortunately I have to disagree with you guys here. Dylan is well within his rights to claim a directors credit for the movie. A Directors job does not only lay in live actor interactions. They set the tone, mood and pacing of the piece as per the guidelines of the producer. The producer handles the broad brush strokes of the project, the director makes sure no colour leaks out over the lines

Depending on Dylan's future career path, having director credits will allow him entry into unions and associations that lead to greater involvement in the film industry
 
Re: DA's bio -

Self:
"The View" .... Himself (1 episode, 2007)
- Episode dated 24 May 2007 (2007) TV Episode .... Himself




Did that show ever air?
 
Well, according to this release from ABC:
http://www.abcmedianet.com/assets/pr\html/051607_02.html

Scheduled guests for May 21-25, are as follows (subject to change):

<snip>

THURSDAY, MAY 24 - Guest co-host Sherri Shepherd; winning couple from ABC's "Dancing with the Stars"; Korey Rowe, Dylan Avery and William Rodriguez ("Loose Change").
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But according to the recap here:
http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/episodes/2007/20070521.html

It's not mentioned in the whole week.

It was canceled.
I guess it's time to write the to the IMDB with a correction.
 
Liszt said:
fair point, I stand corrected.

And using the same logic, I´d like to say that Dick Cheney is a tosspot. :D
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Not exactly the same thing. Dylan has refered to himself as a director and that is what is being challenged here.

Cheney calls himself the vice-President of the USA. He does indeed have the title regardless of whether or not anyone believes he doing a good job in that post.

Cheney however believed he was an expert on the way the Iraqi people would react to the USA overthrowing Hussein and how to take advantage of that reaction. That view of himself proved to be an error.

Rumsfeld was indeed the Secretary of Defense but he also fancied himself an expert in matters of warfare. In that his record shows his view of himself in that regard to be in error.

Refering to Cheney as a tosspot would require a reference as to what Cheney does or does not do that creates the image you have of him as such.
 
If Dylan had a crew, say a sound man and a camera man with him as he interviewed people and he was the one who decided who would be doing what and when then he is indeed a director of that production.

The producer arranges all interviews and the time and place for those interviews and works with the researcher in finding material for the 'docuementary'.

The editor takes all the raw footage gathered by the director and others and , with the producer and director's input, arranges them into a story that flows well from one topic and scene to the next.
 
As much as it pains me to defend Avery on anything, the tasks he performed on Loose Change are those which are in the film business get you a direcotor credit on a documentary. Ken Burns,for instance.
Although it pains me immensely to mentiion Burns in the same breath as a inept nutcase like Avery.
 
jaydeehess said:
Not exactly the same thing. Dylan has refered to himself as a director and that is what is being challenged here.

Cheney calls himself the vice-President of the USA. He does indeed have the title regardless of whether or not anyone believes he doing a good job in that post.

Cheney however believed he was an expert on the way the Iraqi people would react to the USA overthrowing Hussein and how to take advantage of that reaction. That view of himself proved to be an error.

Rumsfeld was indeed the Secretary of Defense but he also fancied himself an expert in matters of warfare. In that his record shows his view of himself in that regard to be in error.

Refering to Cheney as a tosspot would require a reference as to what Cheney does or does not do that creates the image you have of him as such.
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lol! Classic! It also gave me an image of Cheney literally being a tosspot, which will stay with me forever. Yuk.
 
brodski said:
DA is not a forum member and so is not protected by the membership agreement. Even if he were this is a specific challenge to claim that he has made and continues to make.
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Yes, there seems to be a slight double standard in the rules here. If I was to call Liszt an idoit, that would get me in trouble, but calling Bushie the chimp an idiot won't. Likewise, telling Gravy to take a hike under a bus would likely get me banned, but saying that Cheney should go play in the traffic wouldn't raise an eyebrow of the moderators. It's an interesting dichotomy, but I guess thems the rules.
 
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