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Another thing about demolition.

andreasz said:
Yes. Exactly. You actually CAN read. I don't believe it. Yes, I made this up, as an example.

It's not that hard to understand, is it?
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I don't understand. My text to speech program crashed so I don't know what you are saying. Can you please use pictures instead?
 
andreasz said:
Reasonable people don't want to go to war.
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There comes a point when even reasonable people have to realize that war against unreasonable people is a "necessary evil". (Note: I'm not trying to justify the invasion of Iraq here.)

Determining what constitutes reasonable and unreasonable, though, is an entirely different topic...
 
SpaceMonkeyZero said:
You first... A foreigner such as yourself starting a revolution in MY country would be met with overwhelming force. And I'd be right there with them. Against you.
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Because it's not as if Americans ever started a revolution in another country or anything........:p
 
Architect said:
Because it's not as if Americans ever started a revolution in another country or anything........:p
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hehe good point ;)

About reasonable and wanting to go to war. Of course there is this necessary evil. But what I mean, is that it's hard to get people to support a war over oil or something. It's even harder if not impossible to get the support of other countries with that reason :)

But: Creating something really 'evil' makes people want to fight this evil with whatever is necessary. It's just human nature.
 
andreasz said:
You're not. I was referring to the people who don't know how to deal with conditions in sentences and words like 'if' and 'would'.

Well. I think it's not as easy as a conspiracy theorist may put it, because there's no way to know for sure. But in the current situation I would say it was even necessary to have the towers collapse in order to cause so much anger in the population that they are willing to go to war.

Americans were sick of their own reputation, being the world-police. Of course, there are still those 'cowboys' who are convinced that a different culture is just a bunch of bull and the best thing to do is just get rid of it. But that's not the point of going to war. THe only thing I am mentioning these guys is because they're easier to convince.

Reasonable people don't want to go to war. They want their money spent on health insurance, a welfare system, higher job security. They don't want to listen to politicians mentioning that these services are way out of the governments budget while the government spends billions an wars and war machinery.

So, back to your question. Bringing the towers down in a controlled demolition is a spectacular way of showing it to everybody and building up a lot of anger in the population.

It's always been like this. There are laws and there are exceptions. For instance: We don't have the death penalty here in germany. I am pretty sure it exists nowhere in the EU countries. But let's say there is some rapist, child molestor, somebody who did something really evil, sick and nasty... Start a poll and ask, how many people want this guy dead and override the law, show the execution on live television...

Imagine the numbers you get. Having the towers bombed wouldn't be sufficient... Destruction is necessary to shock people.

But as I said, that's just my opinion. I'll wait and see if some of these things are being revealed in the near future.
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Thank you for your response, but I should have been more clear. I was asking about the war in Iraq specifically. You said that one of the reasons that CD sounded reasonable was because it gave us a reason to go to war. Yet, if that really was the reason for 9/11, then why wasn't their a crystal clear tie to Iraq?

Depending on how involved you believe the US government was in the 9/11 attacks, why didn't they plant evidence of Iraq's involvement, thus making it much easier to engage in the war that you beleive is evidence of an inside job.
 
Am I the only one who finds it kind of funny that a German is being judgmental about war? No offense meant, but if you're going to be critical of a country's behavior, perhaps it's best not to come from one who is known for having been one of the most hostile in history.

Kind of the pot calling the kettle black. But that would be the case no matter what country someone was from since it's not an issue of country, but of human behavior.
 
Jonnyclueless said:
Am I the only one who finds it kind of funny that a German is being judgmental about war? No offense meant, but if you're going to be critical of a country's behavior, perhaps it's best not to come from one who is known for having been one of the most hostile in history.

Kind of the pot calling the kettle black. But that would be the case no matter what country someone was from since it's not an issue of country, but of human behavior.
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If you ever went to germany in the last 20 years you'd know how peaceful germany has become. It's even so peaceful that it pisses me off. You can't even say anything against somebody from another country or a group of people from another country who just can't behave, because the entire german leftwing will step you in the back and call you a racist. You hardly find a german wearing the german national colors, because you are risking to be judged because of that.

The soccer championship really was something. That was the first (and last) time I saw germans being proud of their country.


VespaGuy: Sorry I didn't get your point. About evidence linking to iraq: I think it would be quite hard to establish evidence that links to iraq and its government. And people would probably have doubted it. Linking it to a terrorist organization that just happens to be located in iraq at the moment would be a much more elegant way.
 
Pardalis said:
Going back to the OP, have you changed your mind about Silverstein?
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Of course. I never had any opinion to that, I was just a little surprised by the statement the movie made. As I said in an earlier post, it was quite confusing in the movie.
 
andreasz said:
- On the 12th of September 2001 I spend 2.000 Marks (1.4 Marks for a dollar) in american funds, because the american stock market was brought to its knees. I made a lot of money with those funds, because I sold them before 2003 (lucky shot).
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By your own logic that means you carried out the 9/11 attacks.

-Gumboot
 
andreasz said:
If you ever went to germany in the last 20 years you'd know how peaceful germany has become. It's even so peaceful that it pisses me off. You can't even say anything against somebody from another country or a group of people from another country who just can't behave, because the entire german leftwing will step you in the back and call you a racist. You hardly find a german wearing the german national colors, because you are risking to be judged because of that.
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Germans didn't learn anything from WW2. Still trying to control how their fellow citizens think, I see. Bravo. :rolleyes:

-Gumboot
 
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