Help with Shanksville question

[T.A.M.]

I'll wait for the inevitable Youtube video trailer and DVD...

TAM

 

[TC329]

So who removed the blood between the time Flight 93 took off, and their body parts were found at the crash scene? After all, the body parts found were matched to passengers on flight 93 right?

Call Wally Miller and ask him. Mark can give you the number or you could use 'the google'.....

 

[TC329]

Um, so how many airline crashes did the coroner investigate prior to 9/11?

reference reply to post #33

 

[T.A.M.]

Like I said, if their was bone, there was blood within it. IF there was even the slightest bit of flesh, than within that flesh, there was blood.

And on this matter, I am an expert.

TAM

 

[TC329]

And all of that debris was found in the direction in which the plane was travelling. Not spread for miles in the direction from which it came. Learn something about explosives and aircraft before you sit on a petard with a torch in your hand.

The plane was traveling south but the blast trajectory is northwest as evident by the wooded area and broken trees. Please explain.

Do you realize what happened when you damage the fuselage of a pressurized aircraft? Or what happens to it when it rams into a solid surface? The skin comes of rather explosively sometimes. It doesn't even take a lot of damage for a pressurized fuselage to fail at speed.

Also, there was enough of the aircraft in tact at the scene to punch an airplane-shaped hole in the ground, complete with the tail print. And, considering that it hit up-side down, it is remarkable that EITHER engine was found in association with the wings.

That doesn't mean the cockpit or fuselage in front of the wings was intact or undamaged.

Reference Ed Felt phone call.

 

[uk_dave]

Please explain the gag orders on Johnstown ATC & Westmoreland County 911.

What precisely did you say to them and what precisely did they say to you?

And when you can positively identify the type of plane witnessed by Susan McElwain, Dale Browning, Susan Custer, Jim Brandt, Tom Spinelli, John Fleegle, plus some unpublished accounts who confirm a F20 Falcon was not the white plane and nowhere near then you can tell me what is capable of doing what to a plane.

What type of plane did they identify it as?

Did you show them pictures? Did the pictures include the Falcon?

Did any of the pictures you showed to the witnesses accurately represent the craft at the altitude and distance they saw it?

Did you push a particular picture of a particular plane at the witnesses? Did ya?

 

[TC329]

I tell you what TC...I am willing to bet money that if they found body parts, they found blood. As to what he meant by his comments, only he can straighten out. I am a physician, and I can tell you where there are parts, there is blood. Even if all, I mean all, the skin and muscle and vessels was torn away, the marrow would contain some blood within the bone.

Sorry...where there are body parts, there is blood...EOS.

TAM

Listen I believe they found blood. From my 11 months of traveling back and forth meeting published and unpublished witnesses I believe they found blood. I don't believe they found any blood anywhere near the Shanksville debris field though. Can't seem to find anyone out there that confirms that.

 

[TC329]

SO please provide us with the evidence/parts/debris collection list from the FBi that you certainly MUST HAVE to make such a definitive statement.

oh wait, I am sure you don't have one, so you must be...wait for it...wait for it....speculating/exaggerating/tall tale telling when you say the above...right?

TAM

I've only COMMUNICATED WITH EYEWITNESSES.

If you know of such a list that PROVES ME AND THE WITNESSES TO BE LIARS PLEASE POST IT.

I'm getting really tired of JREF insulting the good people of Shanksville....seriously.

 

[uk_dave]

Listen I believe they found blood. From my 11 months of traveling back and forth meeting published and unpublished witnesses I believe they found blood. I don't believe they found any blood anywhere near the Shanksville debris field though. Can't seem to find anyone out there that confirms that.

Why do you assume that all witnesses would be willing to talk to you? You're (as far as 911 and any investigation goes) a nobody. You don't have any accreditation with news media or law enforcement, so why do you think people should talk to you? I certainly wouldn't.

 

[Alt+F4]

Please explain the gag orders on Johnstown ATC & Westmoreland County 911.

Could you please provide evidence of this?

As for a shoot down, why cover it up? Considering what had already happened that morning I don't think most Americans (with the exception of the relatives of those on the plane) would have faulted the military for taking that terrible but necessary action.

 

[uk_dave]

I'm getting really tired of JREF insulting the good people of Shanksville....seriously.

oh what utter rubbish. 'The good people of shanksville'. Does that include all the people who attended the scene and collected the debris and wrote the reports? People who say flight 93 crashed there and who you would have us believe are liars. What about them?

 

[TC329]

What precisely did you say to them and what precisely did they say to you?

Your free to not believe me. I will not state anything that could jeopardize my source. Everything was in strictest confidence. If you can't respect that I don't know what to tell you. You're free to disbelieve it as I will not disclose anything more than to say they are under gag orders at this time.

1)What type of plane did they identify it as?

2)Did you show them pictures? 3)Did the pictures include the Falcon?

4)Did any of the pictures you showed to the witnesses accurately represent the craft at the altitude and distance they saw it?

5)Did you push a particular picture of a particular plane at the witnesses? 6)Did ya?

1) Repeatedly "looks like the global hawk pic but the tail section is different."

2) Yes

3) Yes

4) Considering all witnesses put it at no higher than 40' before taking off I would say the pics of the planes are fair.

5) Absolutely not. I in fact was expecting to be told it was an A10 Warthog because of disinfo pushed by AFP.

6) Absoultey not, again........

 

[T.A.M.]

GET THIS STRAIGHT. I am DOUBTING YOU. I AM CALLING you MISINFORMED. I am not calling the residents of SHANKSVILLE Liars, as they have not come here to make their case. I would call you a liar with regards to what you are posting here before I would call them liars. Stop insinuating this just because we call into question your ALLEGED evidence.

TAM

 

[TC329]

Why do you assume that all witnesses would be willing to talk to you? You're (as far as 911 and any investigation goes) a nobody. You don't have any accreditation with news media or law enforcement, so why do you think people should talk to you? I certainly wouldn't.

Charles Sturtz isn't willing to talk to me because of his agreement with Val McClatchey concerning her new 'book'. So not all witnesses are.

These people are good everyday people. As much as you hate to hear it, so am I. To date only 1 person wouldn't talk to me and I just named the individual and the reason why. I even plan on contacting Val herself.

I am honest. The people in Shanksville are honest. I don't "push" theories. I ask them questions. They're willing to share their stories. At first some aren't until I tell them about other people I spoken with. When I start talking about the stuff you people ridicule me for talking about it seems to help other eyewitnesses open right up to me. Odd...........

 

[T.A.M.]

How do you think the residents of shanksville would feel if they knew that you were using their words to accuse innocent people of murder, accusing FBi agents of covering up this murder?

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

Charles Sturtz isn't willing to talk to me because of his agreement with Val McClatchey concerning her new 'book'. So not all witnesses are.

These people are good everyday people. As much as you hate to hear it, so am I. To date only 1 person wouldn't talk to me and I just named the individual and the reason why. I even plan on contacting Val herself.

I am honest. The people in Shanksville are honest. I don't "push" theories. I ask them questions. They're willing to share their stories. At first some aren't until I tell them about other people I spoken with. When I start talking about the stuff you people ridicule me for talking about it seems to help other eyewitnesses open right up to me. Odd...........

Show us the unedited testimonies from them, with your full questioning included, and then let us judge how honest you have been. Other wise I will consider you without proof.

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

you did all this research 5 years after the fact...which makes it essentially worthless...got it...WORTHLESS.

TAM

 

[uk_dave]

Your free to not believe me.

I don't believe you. Name your source and state precisely what was said. This is not a bloody game.

Or is there a gag order about the gag order?

1) Repeatedly "looks like the global hawk pic but the tail section is different."

Please reproduce here the picture they identified

2) Yes

3) Yes

4) Considering all witnesses put it at no higher than 40' before taking off I would say the pics of the planes are fair.

Did you explore the possibility that the plane was higher and therefore could have been larger but with fewer features identifiable from their vantage point?
Does the Global Hawk ID only work if the plane is at 40'?
How expert are your witnesses at judging distance and height? Did you test them?

5) Absolutely not. I in fact was expecting to be told it was an A10 Warthog because of disinfo pushed by AFP.

Anything other than the Falcon, huh?

6) Absoultey not, again........

uh huh.

 

[Alt+F4]

How do you think the residents of shanksville would feel if they knew that you were using their words to accuse innocent people of murder, accusing FBi agents of covering up this murder?

TAM

Remember TAM, the FBI only lies when it comes to Shankville. When they discuss OBL then they are telling the truth.

 

[Oxigen]

TC329
I don't no why you argue with these guys. It is obvious to anyone with sight that a plane didn't crash in the Pentagon or Shanksville.