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Perpetual motion machines. Good,

I wouldn't expect any discoveries, but I'd expect tinkering with them would give the user a good understanding of some basic parts of physics.
 
I wouldn't be surprised to learn of some practical improvement in bearings, but watchmakers have probably done far more.
 
Freethinker said:
I wouldn't expect any discoveries, but I'd expect tinkering with them would give the user a good understanding of some basic parts of physics.
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A mental excercize in trying to figure out where you went wrong. Like if you 'invented' a motion machine that would power itself forward by a very small portion of it's own weight, since only a little part of it's weight is required to make it move. Someone here on this board had an avatar that caused me a second glance as it was this wheel that had spokes with weights that would fall out farther from the wheel and then turn the wheel,...and to look at it, it (initially seemed to) made/make sense. LOL

People hold hope in perpetual motion because it is always too easy to think of something based on your knowledge of other stuff, that seems to make sense. Here is an example: We all know that a rubber ball or golf ball bounces really high, but not high enough to come up to the point where you drop it from. But then they invented the superball and came close. So then you can carry your thinking one step farther and and tell yourself something like refrigeration is perpetual in a way other than the fact that a outward energy source driven compressor is required. But what if you invented a ball that everytime it was dropped made a compressor effect inside that then would power an electromagnet that would react with this conductive plasma that then would rocket itself towards the outer shell like a Mexican jumping bean and......
 
Elementary physics books often contain exercises in which one is to identify why a purported perpetual motion machine doesn't work. Usually, you're not allowed to cite 1LT or 2LT, since these can be derived from more basic principles of mechanics.

In that sense, alleged perpetual motion machines are a good learning tool.
 
Can't say that any real good came of it, but John Keeley, who founded the totally bogus Keeley Motor Works and scammed investors of hundreds of thousands of dollars, used compressed air to drive his fake over-unity machines. The comment made in the Scientific American article on Keeley's scam made the observation that Keeley probably could have made a significant advance to pneumetics and air-driven mechanisms if he had been legit.

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Iamme said:
A mental excercize in trying to figure out where you went wrong. Like if you 'invented' a motion machine that would power itself forward by a very small portion of it's own weight, since only a little part of it's weight is required to make it move. Someone here on this board had an avatar that caused me a second glance as it was this wheel that had spokes with weights that would fall out farther from the wheel and then turn the wheel,...and to look at it, it (initially seemed to) made/make sense. LOL

People hold hope in perpetual motion because it is always too easy to think of something based on your knowledge of other stuff, that seems to make sense. Here is an example: We all know that a rubber ball or golf ball bounces really high, but not high enough to come up to the point where you drop it from. But then they invented the superball and came close. So then you can carry your thinking one step farther and and tell yourself something like refrigeration is perpetual in a way other than the fact that a outward energy source driven compressor is required. But what if you invented a ball that everytime it was dropped made a compressor effect inside that then would power an electromagnet that would react with this conductive plasma that then would rocket itself towards the outer shell like a Mexican jumping bean and......
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And where does the electricity come from to power this electromagnet? You might get it to bounce higher than it was dropped from, but whatever powers it would run out of juice sooner or later, and then it will stop bouncing higher, and just be a normal ball again. So it isn't perpetual motion. If there's no energy source other than the deformation of the ball, then it will never get higher than the point from which it was dropped.
 
wollery said:
And where does the electricity come from to power this electromagnet? You might get it to bounce higher than it was dropped from, but whatever powers it would run out of juice sooner or later, and then it will stop bouncing higher, and just be a normal ball again. So it isn't perpetual motion. If there's no energy source other than the deformation of the ball, then it will never get higher than the point from which it was dropped.
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Yes, he was on the same side as you, just pointing out flawed logic.


Anyway, if you guys want to see something that looks like perpetual motion. It's the prototype of steorn's machine...

in this video he describes every piece of the machine and then demonstrates it. So....... if you don't have 10 minutes, I recommend you let the video load and just forward it to around 9 minutes where he gives a demonstration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf2oybnz-vQ

It looks like it's beyond 100% efficiency, but what do I know!
 
Antranik1 said:
Yes, he was on the same side as you, just pointing out flawed logic.
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You really don't know Iamme very well, do you?

Anyway, if you guys want to see something that looks like perpetual motion. It's the prototype of steorn's machine...

in this video he describes every piece of the machine and then demonstrates it. So....... if you don't have 10 minutes, I recommend you let the video load and just forward it to around 9 minutes where he gives a demonstration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf2oybnz-vQ

It looks like it's beyond 100% efficiency, but what do I know!
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Amazing, he's discovered that if you use moving magnets you can get a disc to rotate, and if you get a very low friction bearing, and a big mass to act as a flywheel, and then feed the disc rotation back into the motion it will run for a very long time. This isn't news. And it certainly isn't perpetual motion.

Is this really the same concept that wouldn't run because the lights were too strong? :rolleyes:
 
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