Why do people hate Jews?

[JJR]

I am astonished at the turn this has taken. Astonished and horrified. I suppose the two of you are also fans of Pol Pot and Stalin as well?

No, I don't want to know.

This is so sad and upsetting.

Relax. I just want to pleasure Jews to death . . . making reality as much like an acid trip as possibe. Woooow. That's all I'm really saying.

Furthermore (on the subject of . . . pleasure), I believe that the majority of prisoners on death row are genetically defective. Surveys have been conducted, proving that most of them have a small pre-frontal cortex, and are thus unable to inhibit their impulses. When you or I punch, they KILL . . . and can't stop from doing so any more than you can stop from punching. There is no justice in dealing them anything other than pleasure since it is not their fault they are what they are and we require their absence in order to promote harmony in our community. People should get paid for any service.

I'd say they deserve a mellow death. Solient Green (Make Room, Make Room - Harry Harrison) death needed. Nice movie with waterfalls, forests, and other scenery and classical music with a good feeling heroin overdose. After all, we do know what heroin feels like but we have no idea what the lethal injection feels like because anyone who experiences the chemical is dead and can not give an account of the experience. Is the current lethal injection even a remotely humane method of execution?? Or does it just make US feel better?

Oh, and if someone requests a fireing squad I believe the request should be granted.

 

[JJR]

I am glad you can joke, I think that is important. For me though, I have seen the pictures of the Holocaust, this is something that is very real, and mankind is very capable of doing it again, if not to Jews then to some other group. In short the Holocaust is not a Jewish issue it is an issue for everyone.

Of course. The Jews were even blamed for the Black Plague, gathered together and burned to death in barns in the Dark Ages. One of the reasons why I persued the Priesthood in the LDS church is so that I would have a foundation in faith that would prevent me from thinking like someone from the Dark Ages so that history would never repeat, etc. Joe Smith thought the Catholic church had it wrong, and that's the end of it, son.

Wishing to tax a Jewish person with pain or death just for being born different is too Communist, and we all know that America can be very anti-Commie . . . so that's the end of THAT, too. Pleasure . . . Life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness and a really high standard of living is what the doctor ordered.

If at all possible, I wish pleasure and for as much fun as can be obtained before whatever action has to be taken to deter the kind of behavior that was exhibited by any guilty party. They still hang you for treason in the military, though.

I'm not saying that the military hangs people for treason to try and sound bold, I'm just saying that traitors are hanged. It is the law. Military law . . . and I think the same punishment should be given to confessed mercenaries. We need people that believe in our cause.

In other words . . . don't meet the criteria? Thank you. Next please.

Thank you. Next.

 

[Dumbledore]

Yes, in some cases the Jews do control everything you read.

http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/24media3.htm

Sorry I don't bother reading antisemitic propaganda, but thanks for identifying another link for me!

 

[Dumbledore]

THE CAUSES OF HOSTILITY TOWARDS JEWS: A HISTORICAL OVERVIEW

http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/02hos.htm

I really have to thank you for all of these clear identifications of antisemitics and their sites from one person, thanks again. P.S. Have you caught on that no one but fellow antisemitics take these people and links seriously?

 

[Elizabeth I]

Relax. I just want to pleasure Jews to death . . . making reality as much like an acid trip as possibe. Woooow. That's all I'm really saying.

Furthermore (on the subject of . . . pleasure), I believe that the majority of prisoners on death row are genetically defective. Surveys have been conducted, proving that most of them have a small pre-frontal cortex, and are thus unable to inhibit their impulses. When you or I punch, they KILL . . . and can't stop from doing so any more than you can stop from punching. There is no justice in dealing them anything other than pleasure since it is not their fault they are what they are and we require their absence in order to promote harmony in our community. People should get paid for any service.

I'd say they deserve a mellow death. Solient Green (Make Room, Make Room - Harry Harrison) death needed. Nice movie with waterfalls, forests, and other scenery and classical music with a good feeling heroin overdose. After all, we do know what heroin feels like but we have no idea what the lethal injection feels like because anyone who experiences the chemical is dead and can not give an account of the experience. Is the current lethal injection even a remotely humane method of execution?? Or does it just make US feel better?

Oh, and if someone requests a fireing squad I believe the request should be granted.

Of course. The Jews were even blamed for the Black Plague, gathered together and burned to death in barns in the Dark Ages. One of the reasons why I persued the Priesthood in the LDS church is so that I would have a foundation in faith that would prevent me from thinking like someone from the Dark Ages so that history would never repeat, etc. Joe Smith thought the Catholic church had it wrong, and that's the end of it, son.

Wishing to tax a Jewish person with pain or death just for being born different is too Communist, and we all know that America can be very anti-Commie . . . so that's the end of THAT, too. Pleasure . . . Life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness and a really high standard of living is what the doctor ordered.

If at all possible, I wish pleasure and for as much fun as can be obtained before whatever action has to be taken to deter the kind of behavior that was exhibited by any guilty party. They still hang you for treason in the military, though.

I'm not saying that the military hangs people for treason to try and sound bold, I'm just saying that traitors are hanged. It is the law. Military law . . . and I think the same punishment should be given to confessed mercenaries. We need people that believe in our cause.

In other words . . . don't meet the criteria? Thank you. Next please.

Thank you. Next.

I certainly hope someone with medical expertise has you under close observation.

 

[Dumbledore]

Holding one group as inferior to you is one of the main causes of genocide. People wouldn't commit genocide if they thought that the other groups were equal.

Countries can hold the interests of their citizens above those of others, however not to the extent of killing other citizens in other countries, unless it is absolutely necessary. I don't believe many of the Lebanese deaths fit that definition of absolutely necessary due to the number of strategic flaws.

How is that point relevant when you admit the IDF caused needless deaths? It sounds like an excuse.

I hold all countries to the same standard in war. If the IDF does something I believe is wrong then I'll point it out as quickly as if I think the U.S. did something wrong.

No people would not commit genocide if they decided not to commit genocide. In committing genocide thinking another group is inferior to you is a maybe a tentative have step in the direction of genocide, but it does not directly lead to genocide. For example many people view illegal aliens as less than them, and hence inferior to them, they do not however round them up and exterminate them. Further they view these illegal aliens as threating their country, such as a drain on social programs, education, jobs, but they don't exterminate them still. To be clear illegal aliens are viewed as inferior and a threat to the country and still miraculously the government does not round them up and exterminate them. It is almost like the Nazis choose to deal with their problems with the Jews by exterminating them??!

So what were these strategic flaws that Israel committed that meant the death of innocent Lebanese citizens. You believe there was some magical way that Israel could stop the missile attacks on their people without Lebanese citizens getting killed in the process. You do remember that no military action in the history of mankind has ever resulted in no death of innocent civilians! You have been shown that ground assault would have been too slow to stop the missile attacks, and that ground assault would have cost just as much innocent civilian life, or more, as the much quicker air assault to stop the missile attacks. We have gone around and around on this issue, I have no doubt that I am not going to convince you. My question is why is that, why are you not convinced when you have presented with overwhelming evidence of the situation and limitations Israel was put in, do you insist that Israel slaughtered innocent civilians for no reason?

No it is not an excuse, by the fact that the IDF acknowledges its mistakes. I am merely stating that people get killed in war, innocent people all the time. This is not an excuse anymore than we expect innocent people not to get killed in a war zone. I think it is sad and horrible that these people died, and it would be nice if more that just Israel got blamed for there deaths. For it might have been the IDF that accidentally killed them but it was the international community and Hezbollah that created the situation in which they could get killed. Of course this is not true if you think that Israel should have sat idly by and allow Hezbollah launch missiles at its citizens, or that they had some other magical way to stop the missile attacks.

From reading your posts I seriously doubt you do. All I have heard from you is endless reasons why Israel slaughtered innocent civilians. I have not heard about Hezbollah and their tactics of using civilians for cover. Or the International communities responsibility to disarm Hezbollah, which they did not do when they pledged to do so. Furthermore this thread is about why people hate Jews, I think that it is very telling that you espouse these ideas about Israel here. Does Israel somehow represent all Jews everywhere? I realize that most people see Israel as a strictly Jewish nation but is any action by Israel a reason to hate Jews everywhere? Unless you simply just want to hate Jews and questionable actions by Israel are a good platform in which to do so.

 

[Dumbledore]

From the Nazi perspective, The Jew was taking advantage of the Germans by owning the business and making money off of the German customers. The Nazis thought that Jews had no right to make money off of German customers. Replacing the owner of the business with a German family means that one more German family has an occupation and can sell the goods in an "Aryan way" not taking advantage of the customers.

So a German making a profit off of another German, good, a Jew making a profit off a German, bad. You got to love that Nazi logic!!!

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

No people would not commit genocide if they decided not to commit genocide. In committing genocide thinking another group is inferior to you is a maybe a tentative have step in the direction of genocide, but it does not directly lead to genocide.

It's the main step.

For example many people view illegal aliens as less than them, and hence inferior to them, they do not however round them up and exterminate them.

I would imagine that more people who believe illegal aliens are inferior to them would round them up and kill them than those who don't believe they are inferior to them.

Further they view these illegal aliens as threating their country, such as a drain on social programs, education, jobs, but they don't exterminate them still.

Likely because they can't. I'm sure if the people who viewed illegal aliens as inferior would probably be the first jump on the genocide wagon if their views were common.

To be clear illegal aliens are viewed as inferior and a threat to the country and still miraculously the government does not round them up and exterminate them.

That's because our government doesn't view them as inferior human beings. Some far right nutters might, but the govt doesn't.

So what were these strategic flaws that Israel committed that meant the death of innocent Lebanese citizens. You believe there was some magical way that Israel could stop the missile attacks on their people without Lebanese citizens getting killed in the process. You do remember that no military action in the history of mankind has ever resulted in no death of innocent civilians!

Civilian casualties can be lowered if proper procedures are taken.

You have been shown that ground assault would have been too slow to stop the missile attacks, and that ground assault would have cost just as much innocent civilian life, or more, as the much quicker air assault to stop the missile attacks.

No I haven't.

We have gone around and around on this issue, I have no doubt that I am not going to convince you. My question is why is that, why are you not convinced when you have presented with overwhelming evidence of the situation and limitations Israel was put in, do you insist that Israel slaughtered innocent civilians for no reason?

They might have had reasons for causing a high amount of civilian deaths. The reason could have been military incompetence, lack of chain of command, bad communication, bad strategy, etc. Reasons don't equal justifications.

No it is not an excuse, by the fact that the IDF acknowledges its mistakes. I am merely stating that people get killed in war, innocent people all the time.

IDF admits it made mistakes. Why bring up the fact that innocent people die in war then? It sounds like you're making an excuse to me.

From reading your posts I seriously doubt you do. All I have heard from you is endless reasons why Israel slaughtered innocent civilians. I have not heard about Hezbollah and their tactics of using civilians for cover.

Do you think Hezbollah needs to be criticized here? Do you think that there are even people on this forum who would defend Hezbollah? Everyone already knows that Hezbollah has a lot of blame and so there is no point in railing on Hezbollah.

Furthermore this thread is about why people hate Jews, I think that it is very telling that you espouse these ideas about Israel here. Does Israel somehow represent all Jews everywhere? I realize that most people see Israel as a strictly Jewish nation but is any action by Israel a reason to hate Jews everywhere? Unless you simply just want to hate Jews and questionable actions by Israel are a good platform in which to do so.

People see Israel as being a "Jewish nation" and see it as representing Jews. So the actions of Israel could be a reason for many people.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

So a German making a profit off of another German, good, a Jew making a profit off a German, bad. You got to love that Nazi logic!!!

The money stays among Germans. It's similar to the opposition to importing goods to America at the cost of Americans producing them.

 

[a_unique_person]

The money stays among Germans. It's similar to the opposition to importing goods to America at the cost of Americans producing them.

He was a German Jew, and he had no desire to leave Germany at all, he only left when it meant his life was at risk. So the money stayed in Germany, too.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

He was a German Jew, and he had no desire to leave Germany at all, he only left when it meant his life was at risk. So the money stayed in Germany, too.

I'm not sure what or who you're talking about.

 

[Mycroft]

It's the main step.

I disagree. The main step would be to convince yourself and others that the targeted group either were a direct threat to your group, or that you were in competition for scarce resources.

That's what happened in the Holocaust, the Armenian Genocide, and in Rwanda.

 

[Nancarrow]

Relax. I just want to pleasure Jews to death . . .

It's funny you should say that, I've spent most of today thinking about Rachel Weisz.




No I've no idea in what context you originally said what you did, and I'm not entirely sure I want to go back and find out.

 

[dudalb]

It's funny you should say that, I've spent most of today thinking about Rachel Weisz.

Natalie Portman for me. GIves a whole new meaning to the term "Nice Jewish Girl".
What's that about the Neo Nazi belief that all Jewish Women are ugly?

 

[Ziggurat]

I see plenty of soldiers who died from them as well.

Quote, then, because I don't see it in the link you gave.

Why?

Because Israeli citizens have obligations to the Israeli state which non-Israeli citizens do not have, and the Israeli state therefore has reciprocal obligations to its citizens which it does not have to citizens of any other state. To believe otherwise is a trans-nationalist hallucination. No country in the world opperates any differently, nor should they.

You're backtracking. Israel had a reserve 16 times that of Hezbollah's highest estimated reserve. Give me a break.

I'm not backtracking at all. But unlike you, I have a clue about what those numbers actually mean, and the difference between total force and the force that can be brought to bear in any particular situation.

And it's possible to be deceived just by looking at photos, especially if you're untrained.

And what, pray tell, is HRW's training? They have none beyond what you and I have.

It went right through the cement.

How can you tell? From the photo, there's no reason to believe it's anything more than a divot in the cement, with the bottom in shadow. And given that the pock-marked roofs were supposedly made that way as a result of something exploding, and that the damage came from above, (which would require detonation above the vehicle), the evidence isn't consistent with that explanation either.

Underground, lost.

If it's underground, it's not lost: they know exactly where it is. In fact, if it's underground, a bomb disposal squad had BETTER dig it out, or it could explode at a random moment and kill someone.

You're relying on his amateur examination of the incident compared to that of reputable organizations.

I'm looking at both arguments, seeing if they make any sense, and evaluating it on its own merit, independent of who is presenting the argument. The identity of either group is of no concern to me in that evaluation process. But it apparently is for you, leading you to the fallacy not just of an argument from authority, but an argument from false authority.

 

[Dumbledore]

It's the main step.

That's because our government doesn't view them as inferior human beings. Some far right nutters might, but the govt doesn't.

Civilian casualties can be lowered if proper procedures are taken.


They might have had reasons for causing a high amount of civilian deaths. The reason could have been military incompetence, lack of chain of command, bad communication, bad strategy, etc. Reasons don't equal justifications.

IDF admits it made mistakes. Why bring up the fact that innocent people die in war then? It sounds like you're making an excuse to me.

Do you think Hezbollah needs to be criticized here? Do you think that there are even people on this forum who would defend Hezbollah? Everyone already knows that Hezbollah has a lot of blame and so there is no point in railing on Hezbollah.

People see Israel as being a "Jewish nation" and see it as representing Jews. So the actions of Israel could be a reason for many people.

Sigh I am quite done arguing with you, you do not listen to any of the points or arguments I make, nor do you bother to rationally defend your own arguments and positions. I have repeatly argued my stances on various issues you have addressed, if you don't want to read my posts or acknowledge my arguments that is your problem.

Finally there was really no chance that I or anyone else was going to convince of anything that you don't already believe. If you want to go on asserting that believing a group is inferior to you and threatens you the only course of action is genocide, go ahead. And that Israel whole heartedly choose to kill innocent civilians and that they had plenty of other options that would have stopped the missile attacks and saved innocent Lebanese civilians. Also continue to judge all Jews by the actions of Israel, I mean other people do so that must mean it is okay to do so. But always remember that ignoring evidence and arguments contrary to your own is necessary in being steadfastly resolved to continue believing what you believe no matter what! Just remember such a belief system has no place in a rational and logical discussion.

 

[Dumbledore]

I disagree. The main step would be to convince yourself and others that the targeted group either were a direct threat to your group, or that you were in competition for scarce resources.

That's what happened in the Holocaust, the Armenian Genocide, and in Rwanda.

And even then you would have to agree that genocide was the only way to deal with the threat. I mean how many conflicts over resources or threats to other groups has resulted in genocide. Genocide is something that has to be decided upon, it does not magical just result from certain beliefs and situations!

 

[Dumbledore]

I'm not sure what or who you're talking about.

He is replying to your argument about the jewish business man in Germany being replace by another German by the Nazis. His point was that the jewish business man was German, this did not matter to the Nazis though!

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

I disagree. The main step would be to convince yourself and others that the targeted group either were a direct threat to your group, or that you were in competition for scarce resources.

That's what happened in the Holocaust, the Armenian Genocide, and in Rwanda.

It seems to me that if another group (who are considered equal in every way) was in competition with you for scarce resources then the reasonable thing to do would be to work together, or possibly some other alternative aside from simply murdering them. Perhaps moving or moving them.

Because Israeli citizens have obligations to the Israeli state which non-Israeli citizens do not have, and the Israeli state therefore has reciprocal obligations to its citizens which it does not have to citizens of any other state. To believe otherwise is a trans-nationalist hallucination. No country in the world opperates any differently, nor should they.

The idea that one people "us" are somehow superior to another people "them" is one of the main causes of conflict and genocide in the world. What country do you come from? Do you believe that you're superior to foreigners?

I'm not backtracking at all. But unlike you, I have a clue about what those numbers actually mean, and the difference between total force and the force that can be brought to bear in any particular situation.

Hezbollah's force "brought to bear" was likely under 1,000 fighters. Israels was 30,000 active troops in Lebanon.

And what, pray tell, is HRW's training? They have none beyond what you and I have.

They have the resources to consult experts.

How can you tell? From the photo, there's no reason to believe it's anything more than a divot in the cement, with the bottom in shadow. And given that the pock-marked roofs were supposedly made that way as a result of something exploding, and that the damage came from above, (which would require detonation above the vehicle), the evidence isn't consistent with that explanation either.

The pockmarks were possibly due to fragments of the missile as it hit the vehicle and went through it into the concrete.

If it's underground, it's not lost: they know exactly where it is. In fact, if it's underground, a bomb disposal squad had BETTER dig it out, or it could explode at a random moment and kill someone.

Unless it exploded underground and the concrete masked the explosion since it was too deep. In which case any remains would be lost.

I'm looking at both arguments, seeing if they make any sense, and evaluating it on its own merit, independent of who is presenting the argument. The identity of either group is of no concern to me in that evaluation process. But it apparently is for you, leading you to the fallacy not just of an argument from authority, but an argument from false authority.

I'm looking at both arguments and the argument made by that blogger seems to be bunk. The fact that he isn't an expert just adds to it.

Sigh I am quite done arguing with you, you do not listen to any of the points or arguments I make, nor do you bother to rationally defend your own arguments and positions.

I'm reading your points and I'm addressing them. How am I not rationally defending mine? Because you aren't content with my answers?

I have repeatly argued my stances on various issues you have addressed, if you don't want to read my posts or acknowledge my arguments that is your problem.

I've read then and have been addressing them. If I missed something then please tell me.

Finally there was really no chance that I or anyone else was going to convince of anything that you don't already believe.

Well if I found your argument convincing I would.

If you want to go on asserting that believing a group is inferior to you and threatens you the only course of action is genocide, go ahead.

I never said that.

And that Israel whole heartedly choose to kill innocent civilians and that they had plenty of other options that would have stopped the missile attacks and saved innocent Lebanese civilians.

I never said that. I said that they made bad decisions with other options available. Even Israel agrees with that.

Also continue to judge all Jews by the actions of Israel, I mean other people do so that must mean it is okay to do so.

I don't judge Jews based on what Israel does. You seem to be the one who hasn't been reading my posts.

But always remember that ignoring evidence and arguments contrary to your own is necessary in being steadfastly resolved to continue believing what you believe no matter what!

Ok.

Just remember such a belief system has no place in a rational and logical discussion.

I agree.

He is replying to your argument about the jewish business man in Germany being replace by another German by the Nazis. His point was that the jewish business man was German, this did not matter to the Nazis though!

Well that isn't how the Nazis saw it. Jews weren't considered Germans.

 

[Dumbledore]

The idea that one people "us" are somehow superior to another people "them" is one of the main causes of conflict and genocide in the world. What country do you come from? Do you believe that you're superior to foreigners?

I'm reading your points and I'm addressing them. How am I not rationally defending mine? Because you aren't content with my answers?

While total universal equality is definitely something worth striving for, waiting for it to occur to end the possible threat of genocide seems some what silly. Deciding not commit genocide, even if a group who is perceived as inferior is threating you would be a much better commitment to stopping genocide then waiting for universal equality. Just my option though.

No, because your answers lead no where, we have been going in circles. I am not going to convince you of anything. It seems quite clear to me that you are quite invested in "wining" your arguments, so you have your victory.