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Audiophilia - From skeptic to believer

JonnyFive said:
Oh, I think you're right. I try to be as objective as possible about my own A/V vices. For example, I purchased an HD-DVD player because the resolution of it is noticeably better than that of the standard DVD player, and I watch less than six feet from a 37" 1080p TV.

I think some video stuff is easier to compare, because some of the elements are easy to quantify (like resolution and eye perception, or color perception). But, like audio, a lot of it is preference in terms of color tone, contrast, etc.

But I'm satisfied with the color available on the current displays. To me, as long as its close to what was originally displayed in the theater, I'm good.

But damn, that HDTV is something else! :D
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I'm sure it rocks... looking at getting a 46" display and the whole nine yards installed some time next year. But there's a world of difference between what you are saying, and someone claiming that they need a $1500 HDMI cable in order to get "the truest color" or some such bullcrap.
 
JonnyFive said:
What are the details of his challenge, anyway? My Swedish is pretty bad so I can't read that too good.
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It's more of a bet, as you have to match his 100k skr ($14745) - the winner takes all.

The guy says he can differentiate between two sets of two meter speaker cable with similar impedance, capacitance, and inductance. Success criterion is eight correct of ten tries in all(!), no detail of exactly how the blinding will be done. He picks the venue, the music and the time (within an agreed upon week).
 
ThatSoundAgain said:
It's more of a bet, as you have to match his 100k skr ($14745) - the winner takes all.

The guy says he can differentiate between two sets of two meter speaker cable with similar impedance, capacitance, and inductance. Success criterion is eight correct of ten tries in all(!), no detail of exactly how the blinding will be done. He picks the venue, the music and the time (within an agreed upon week).
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Sure he can't............

Paul

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JonnyFive said:
But I'm satisfied with the color available on the current displays. To me, as long as its close to what was originally displayed in the theater, I'm good.

But damn, that HDTV is something else! :D
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I have a 2560x1600 display with 1080p upconverted to 2560x1440 with Video Enhancer, I don't know what is so special with that. It still doesn't look like real life. It's like stock earbuds in audio. It will take a long time until video quality becomes acceptable.
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
No, but now when I'm thinking about it, I made this song a few years ago. http://poollogics.is-a-geek.net/pic.... DJ LogiX - 100 pi decimals (voice only).mp3

This is the first time I post my song, what do you think?
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I was curious becuase you wrote this:
But once you fix the problems, you hear how the recording should sound.
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I used to work for a hifi company, and later a pro audio & hifi company. I heard that kinda thing a lot from audiophiles, but none of them had ever set foot in a recording studio, let alone been the one twirling the knobs. Here's the thing: It is impossible to hear how the recording should sound, unless you made the recording in the first place. You might like something better or worse, but there are judgements made in recording/mixing/mastering that you have no idea about. So what's wrong to you might well be spot on to the engineers.
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
I have a 2560x1600 display with 1080p upconverted to 2560x1440 with Video Enhancer, I don't know what is so special with that. It still doesn't look like real life. It's like stock earbuds in audio. It will take a long time until video quality becomes acceptable.
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You're pretending!:)
 
I still remember years ago, my audiophile friend saying after hearing a violin on his speakers, "That is how it is suppose to sound".

Then I said, "Yea, so all violins sound alike, if you haven't heard that violin, how do you know how it sounded like to begin with".

Paul

:) :) :)
 
Paulhoff said:
I still remember years ago, my audiophile friend saying after hearing a violin on his speakers, "That is how it is suppose to sound".

Then I said, "Yea, so all violins sound alike, if you haven't heard that violin, how do you know how it sounded like to begin with".

Paul

:) :) :)
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Seems to me that there's no audio source good enough to justify that much money on high-end gear. It can only reproduce what is there, and any decent stereo can do that. Audiophiles seem to think that there's some sort of magical information on a disc that is only accessible through buying ridiculously priced cables and such. A recording of a violin is not a violin... and to my knowledge no one is recording violins(or anything else) to the level of the audiophile's belief in their gear.
 
JoeEllison said:
Seems to me that there's no audio source good enough to justify that much money on high-end gear. It can only reproduce what is there, and any decent stereo can do that. Audiophiles seem to think that there's some sort of magical information on a disc that is only accessible through buying ridiculously priced cables and such. A recording of a violin is not a violin... and to my knowledge no one is recording violins(or anything else) to the level of the audiophile's belief in their gear.
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I would post my equipment, but not where he could see it.

Paul

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ExtremeSkeptic said:
I listen to trance music because real life is too slow.
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Fair enough.

Note that acoustic percussion instruments have very fast attack times, and a variety of pitches. In fact, this is what a drum synth emulates, if the sounds used aren't samples (short recordings) of acoustic instruments themselves. Percussion instruments can also be played faster than your average trance beat, e.g. the snare in a march band.

It still seems that the "faster transients" you speak of are something added to the music by your setup, and not present in real-world sounds. Frankly, they sound like they're magic.
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
I have a 2560x1600 display with 1080p upconverted to 2560x1440 with Video Enhancer, I don't know what is so special with that. It still doesn't look like real life. It's like stock earbuds in audio. It will take a long time until video quality becomes acceptable.
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You know that by upconverting you risk getting artifacting. You should set your monitor to the source's native resolution for best results.

It's a worthwhile tweak and a free tweak tip from a long time tweaker (who is smart enough not to tweak his wire.)
 
Paulhoff said:
I still remember years ago, my audiophile friend saying after hearing a violin on his speakers, "That is how it is suppose to sound".

Then I said, "Yea, so all violins sound alike, if you haven't heard that violin, how do you know how it sounded like to begin with".

Paul

:) :) :)
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Are you sure your audiophile "friend" is real and not imaginary? You seem to talk a lot about him, it's like you live together.

I use my multiple personalities to keep me balanced. It keeps be from slipping too far into one direction. If you go to the extreme end of believer or skeptic, there will be problems, so I have developed multiple personalities to keep me sane. One personality is at each side trying to run away, and the 3rd is sitting on the fence and pulling both personalities with a rope. It is the best of both worlds, and there is no slipping, the rope is very strong. I can control it good, I sit on the fence and can visit both sides and grab the information from there without slipping into the world of bias. I'm in control of the rope, I let it stretch so I can visit deeper and deeper, and I'm still sitting on the fence, it works great. No problems.
 
jimlintott said:
You know that by upconverting you risk getting artifacting. You should set your monitor to the source's native resolution for best results.

It's a worthwhile tweak and a free tweak tip from a long time tweaker (who is smart enough not to tweak his wire.)
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Upconverting gives artifacts like in the picture. But not with Video Enhancer.

http://www.thedeemon.com/VideoEnhancer/

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