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Audiophilia - From skeptic to believer

Transients were so fast my brain couldn't keep up with the speed, I just kept getting a headache after 5 minutes of listening.

Interesting. Do you also get headaches when going to live (acoustic) concerts, or in the real world in general? There, the "transients" should be as fast as the laws of physics allow.

Or does your hifi setup speed up the "transients"?

Why did the months-long headache-inducing properties of your new tweak not lead you to conclude that it was not an improvement?
 
Have you considered the possibility that this "training" you speak of may be more a process of convincing yourself that you're hearing "better" or your system "sounds better" after your tweaking?

Unless you can properly conduct, at least, a single-blind ABX test, how can you be so sure what you're hearing is objectively real?
My blind tests have always had the same differences as in my normal A/B-ing. The more you practice the less biased you get.


If you really think you can distinguish some of this stuff on a double-blind ABX, you might consider applying for Randi's challenge. A million bucks would buy a lot of fancy power cables. :)
All skeptics care about is money. They only look at the numbers, they don't see anything else.

A believer is challenging the skeptics too, if he doesn't score 8/10 in a cable blind test, he will pay them 100 000kr: http://www.faktiskt.se/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=18691


I'm not going to stick my nose up at you, because I'm something of a video junkie myself (I don't give a rat's tuckus about stereo systems, but I love hi-def video), but when it comes to spending a lot of money on this stuff, I feel it's generally better to be cautious about psychological effects. I'm not sure what the term is, but there seems to be a psychological effect of consumers basically convincing themselves they've made the best choice when they spend a lot of money on something.
It works both ways too. They convince themselves it doesn't make a difference so they don't need to spend the money. This happens more often than the opposite. Skeptics need to be more realistic and honest to themselves.
 
Transients were so fast my brain couldn't keep up with the speed, I just kept getting a headache after 5 minutes of listening.

That is just so funny.

That's far from placebo because I could listen whole day without fatigue before I bought the new tweak.
But you will be tweaking again, because it is all in your head.

Paul

:) :) :)
 
Interesting. Do you also get headaches when going to live (acoustic) concerts, or in the real world in general? There, the "transients" should be as fast as the laws of physics allow.
Because the muscles of the musicians aren't as fast as the laws of physics allow.

I don't go outside.

Or does your hifi setup speed up the "transients"?
Valhalla cable and Feet of Silence isolation feet remove some low-level detail which removes the attack and decay, it makes it sound edgier with the illusion of faster transients.


Why did the months-long headache-inducing properties of your new tweak not lead you to conclude that it was not an improvement?
I liked it even when it gave me headaches. I was forced to warm up my ears using AC manipulation tweaks that worsened the sound, after an hour I increased the speed, and after another hour I put my system on max speed. The max speed setting of my system also had the most detail. With a slower setting everything smeared together which made it more relaxing.
 
Because the muscles of the musicians aren't as fast as the laws of physics allow.

Then recordings of musicians should have "slow transients" as well, right? It appears you are claiming that your high fidelity system is adding something that is not in nature, and is headache-inducing. Why is this a good thing?

Valhalla cable and Feet of Silence isolation feet remove some low-level detail which removes the attack and decay, it makes it sound edgier with the illusion of faster transients.

Details and brands aside, you are still claiming to experience "fast transients". If these were present in the sounds around your house (footstep, fridge door, exacto knife, roll of tape), wouldn't you have a constant headache? What exactly is different sonically when you listen to your headphones as opposed to the real world?

I liked it even when it gave me headaches. I was forced to warm up my ears using AC manipulation tweaks that worsened the sound, after an hour I increased the speed, and after another hour I put my system on max speed. The max speed setting of my system also had the most detail. With a slower setting everything smeared together which made it more relaxing.

All right. I guess you're not talking about playing your records at a faster speed, but it's not really clear. Other than, I get that you had a transition period, which answers my question.
 
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Then recordings of musicians should have "slow transients" as well, right? It appears you are claiming that your high fidelity system is adding something that is not in nature, and is headache-inducing. Why is this a good thing?



Details and brands aside, you are still claiming to experience "fast transients". If these were present in the sounds around your house (footstep, fridge door, exacto knife, roll of tape), wouldn't you have a constant headache? What exactly is different sonically when you listen to your headphones as opposed to the real world?



All right. I guess you're not talking about playing your records at a faster speed, but it's not really clear. Other than, I get that you had a transition period, which answers my question.
I listen to trance music because real life is too slow.
 
I'm talking about the sane people who practice to remove all of their biases. Eventually all the bias is gone and you see the truth and nothing else. You don't care about the past or the future, you only care of what is the truth at the moment. If you practice to constantly try to be in a state of mind like that, eventually something is going to happen. Then you are "lost" and don't remember what your bias was. The more you contradict yourself the less biased you are.

Humans can't admit their mistakes, that's why they evolve so slowly. They think they know everything because it makes them feel better about themselves.
 
Great post, but be careful with this suggestion. Any claim for the MDC would have to be clearly paranormal. Any old ABX wouldn't do, as it isn't controversial that there's an audible difference between, say, two different amps.

You're right. I was primarily thinking of some of the more "out there" claims, such as the idea that the power conditioning produces noticeable effects on one amplifier.

I know Randi has received offers to test various audio claims in the past, but I don't know what the current standing on such offers is.

Even if he can hear "different", does any of that mean "better"? I'd argue that at the extreme range of sophistication of high-end audio equipment, the only thing you can really adjust for is personal preference, not anything that would be considered objectively better.

This is true. The definition of "better" is highly subjective. I think ES's use of various subjective terms ("muddy," "clear," etc.) hints this is about personal preference.

To bring up your own personal video obsession, as a good example: since the human eye can only perceive about 9-10 million colors, wouldn't you say that it would be sort of daft to pay a premium for video equipment that can capture or display 75 million colors? How could you even tell? I think a ton of this audiophile stuff comes under the same category as that.

Oh, I think you're right. I try to be as objective as possible about my own A/V vices. For example, I purchased an HD-DVD player because the resolution of it is noticeably better than that of the standard DVD player, and I watch less than six feet from a 37" 1080p TV.

I think some video stuff is easier to compare, because some of the elements are easy to quantify (like resolution and eye perception, or color perception). But, like audio, a lot of it is preference in terms of color tone, contrast, etc.

But I'm satisfied with the color available on the current displays. To me, as long as its close to what was originally displayed in the theater, I'm good.

But damn, that HDTV is something else! :D

My blind tests have always had the same differences as in my normal A/B-ing. The more you practice the less biased you get.

Eh? I wouldn't put stock in my bias. Better to eliminate it by blinding the testing. After all, why not?

All skeptics care about is money. They only look at the numbers, they don't see anything else.

What do you mean? I find it odd you would generalize "skeptics" (those who assume a default position of doubt) as caring only about money.

A believer is challenging the skeptics too, if he doesn't score 8/10 in a cable blind test, he will pay them 100 000kr: http://www.faktiskt.se/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=18691

What are the details of his challenge, anyway? My Swedish is pretty bad so I can't read that too good.

It works both ways too. They convince themselves it doesn't make a difference so they don't need to spend the money. This happens more often than the opposite. Skeptics need to be more realistic and honest to themselves.

If you believe that personal preference can have such a powerful neutralizing effect on the quality of the gear, then this strongly suggests it's largely in the mind of the listener. That being the case, why not save a few bucks and buy high-quality, but not insanely overpriced, gear?

If you're spending 22 grand on cables, I think the company manufacturing those cables might be having a laugh at you. What is it that makes those cables so much better than no-brand, professional quality cable?

You really shouldn't make such general statements about "skeptics."
 
ExtremeSkeptic:

A question for you. Are you a recording engineer and/or a musician?
 

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