Derren Brown Trick or treat

He most likely did, because you can see the same kind of smoke that the armorer fired a few minutes before. Same kind of bang, as well.
 
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DJM said:
He most likely did, because you can see the same kind of smoke that the armorer fired a few minutes before. Same kind of bang, as well.
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I agree, for at least three reasons:

1. I agree with the assessment that the bang and smoke are the same as that produced when the armorer fired.

2. The Russian Roulette method I know and those I can speculate about do not require that particular deception.

3. Having corresponded several times previously with Azrael5, I trust him when he says he knows how it is done.
 
Thanks Garette.
skipjack is insane,the whole thread has been cries of stooges,actors,fake this,that,the other.
Sounds to me he hated being fooled.
 
DJM said:
He most likely did, because you can see the same kind of smoke that the armorer fired a few minutes before. Same kind of bang, as well.
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The most that suggests is that a gun was fired off-screen, not that it was the same gun that Derren was holding. It's the magician's responsibility to eliminate such a trivial way of accomplishing the illusion by not letting the gun go off-screen.
 
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The smoke came from the precise position/angle that the gun was at-on screen or off!
What is the likelihood therefore that it came from the gun?
 
Skippy, with all due disrespect, how can you comment on that part if you can't even see the smoke?

Mr. 5 is right, it's obvious to anyone watching the show that the smoke came out of that gun. Unless you see the smoke, you have no right to comment about this issue.

Now go back under the bridge.
 
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Skippy, how can you comment on that part if you can't even see the smoke?
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Once the gun is off-screen, one knows only its approximate position, and its angle is unknown. Its precise position and angle are clearly not known, since the gun isn't in view! What else is off-screen isn't known, so there could easily be a second gun off-screen, which is the gun that is fired. That second gun's position and angle are unknown, so they can correspond to any smoke that is seen. I don't need to be able to see the smoke to draw that conclusion.
 
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*snip* What else is off-screen isn't known, so there could easily be a second gun off-screen, which is the gun that is fired. That second gun's position and angle are unknown, so they can correspond to any smoke that is seen. I don't need to be able to see the smoke to draw that conclusion.
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What second gun?! Don't you think the loader-James-would have seen a second gun or smoke machine-or spaghetti monster even?
Your making stuff up now.How many pages are we up to now,without any evidence to back up your ridiciulous claims?
You're a fool skipjack.
 
skipjack said:
Once the gun is off-screen, one knows only its approximate position, and its angle is unknown. Its precise position and angle are clearly not known, since the gun isn't in view! What else is off-screen isn't known, so there could easily be a second gun off-screen, which is the gun that is fired. That second gun's position and angle are unknown, so they can correspond to any smoke that is seen. I don't need to be able to see the smoke to draw that conclusion.
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Skippy, I'm now pretty much convinced you are nothing but a troll, as I doubt you even believe the nonsense that you just wrote.

Please go annoy some other people.
 
I notice you seem unable to say what exactly is wrong with it. Nobody has claimed that in consecutive frames, with the gun visible in both frames, there is no smoke in the first frame and smoke visible immediately in front of the gun in the second frame.

Suppose the gun, when off-screen, is held straight out by Derren, pointing directly away from him. In that case, the gun is about one foot off-screen, and any smoke should be slightly further away. As the smoke spreads, some of it may come into view, but it has to spread more than one foot before it's on-screen. By the time it's done that, it's too late to be sure that it came from the gun Derren is holding. When the gun comes back into view, it is not issuing smoke, so there's no way one can be sure that the bang and any smoke weren't from a second gun positioned off-screen.
 
What's wrong with it is that the armorer shot the same gun and there was clearly smoke coming from it and you hear bang!!!!

When Derren shoots the gun, there's smoke coming from it and you hear bang the exact same second he hits the triger!!!

You can't make a second gun make fire right from the angle that Derren was holding as there's no one else next to him!!! And not at the exact same second!!!

They can't risk someone seeing any smoke machine and extra gun, because it was live!!

Even if there was 50 minutes delay, they wouldn't film it again and again until they make sure that people will think some smoke is coming from Derren's gun!!!!! Because that would be stupid!!

Is that enough examples for you to understand what is wrong with your annoying made up excuses?!?!
 
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By the time it's done that, it's too late to be sure that it came from the gun Derren is holding. When the gun comes back into view, it is not issuing smoke, so there's no way one can be sure that the bang and any smoke weren't from a second gun positioned off-screen.
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Case and point in the video.9:30-31 secs Derren fires the gun.9:32 wide shot of room in front of table at sanbag.
Skipjack please point out to the forum where is the smoke machine,second gun etc is!
Is it perhaps invisible?
Or perhaps the second gunman can run in and out of the room within a second oblivious to james sat in the corner,behind the action.

Halfwit.
 
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How many were on the grassy knoll?
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I'm afraid I can't say, as at no point during the show was more than one Derren ever seen on screen at a time. As such it could therefore have been one, five, or any number in-between. I will have to demure to Skipjack's undoubted authority regarding knolls on this matter.

From the off-screen smoke however, I am led to the conclusion that at least one of the Derrens was having a crafty cigarette during the Russian Roulette itself.
 
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Wait, are the other Derrens considered stooges? This is getting confusing. :o
 
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