An email from a Conspiracy theorist, and I have no idea how

I thought we were nazis.:p
No, what he said was:

If you are a truther, you guys act like a NAZI propaganda machine.
Note the bolded words. It was a simile.

The Nazi regime is well-noted for its use of propaganda to get the population onto its side. Triumph of the Will is widely regarded as the best example of a propaganda film ever made.
 
Sorry, gate keeper. You said you had asked me the question but you had not. Too busy with other things?

Yes, as a matter of fact I am. But ok, one of the times I brought this up was this march in the Flashback-thread labeled "[911] 11 September 2001 - WTC / Pentagon tråden". I added to the comment Majava gave when you claimed it was a piece of cake getting bloodsamples from the living relatives of the hijackers. I added "And just like PAD I wonder how we really can be sure that it is the Pentagon on those pictures. Did the FBI take samples of the buildings?". This was about the time you thought that the NTSB and the FBI did separate FDR-analysies, that differs from each other, that the NTSB was in violation with international laws for not investigating the crashes and that the DNA-analysies of the victims were made by "The Pentagon themselves".

I have no opinion of the Estonia tragedy, other than that I lost some friends that night.
 
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Truthers do tend to have a problem with those...

Indeed, they do. Why, some of them even make complete fools of themselves on BBC programs by demonstrating their complete failure to comprehend what a simile is. :D
 
According to Heiwa, only we bozos who believe the cursed official story must present evidence to support it; all HE has to do is imagine. He is WAY to cool for 'evidence'...
 
Yes, as a matter of fact I am. But ok, one of the times I brought this up was this march in the Flashback-thread labeled "[911] 11 September 2001 - WTC / Pentagon tråden". I added to the comment Majava gave when you claimed it was a piece of cake getting bloodsamples from the living relatives of the hijackers. I added "And just like PAD I wonder how we really can be sure that it is the Pentagon on those pictures. Did the FBI take samples of the buildings?". This was about the time you thought that the NTSB and the FBI did separate FDR-analysies, that differs from each other, that the NTSB was in violation with international laws for not investigating the crashes and that the DNA-analysies of the victims were made by "The Pentagon themselves".

I have no opinion of the Estonia tragedy, other than that I lost some friends that night.

You should get an opionion of the Estonia tragedy as it has many similarities with 9/11. Start at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/disasterinvestigation.htm .

In both cases the authorities announce the causes within a few days with help of media and 'experts' and the official investigations become delayed many years. Testimonies not supporting the official causes are censored. Scientific reports ordered by the authorities are twisted just to prove what is requested (in the E case the scientific reports are simply falsified). Wreckage evidences are destroyed. Critics of the official causes are harrassed. Alternative, more probable causes are not investigated. Politicians lie about the matter officially. Etc, etc.
 
In both cases the authorities announce the causes within a few days with help of media and 'experts' and the official investigations become delayed many years. Testimonies not supporting the official causes are censored. Scientific reports ordered by the authorities are twisted just to prove what is requested (in the E case the scientific reports are simply falsified). Wreckage evidences are destroyed. Critics of the official causes are harrassed. Alternative, more probable causes are not investigated. Politicians lie about the matter officially. Etc, etc.

Could you sum up in a few short sentences, what you believe happened with Estonia? I don't want to go through your whole page. And let's not hijack this thread. Just a short description. Do you believe it was a bomb, or what?
 
Well Heiwa. As I haven´t made enough posts yet I cannot post the link properly. Just add the www and remove the space before the ".com":
realinsidenews. com/911trutharticle010.html

At least socialworker knows how to copy/paste and edit videos. Too bad he used his skills in his own film.
Heiwa. You say?
 
But Moussaui was not tried for putting bodies in Pentagon. So that 'evidence' was not even reviewed. You wonder why it was introduced? To deceive people?

its still official evidence which you said did not exist you numpty?

have you even looked at any of the evidence supplied for the trial?

are you now saying that they did have evidence but it was all faked?
 
its still official evidence which you said did not exist you numpty?

have you even looked at any of the evidence supplied for the trial?

are you now saying that they did have evidence but it was all faked?

Well, the goalposts are a-foot! And Im sure Heiwa will keep moving them.
 
Well Heiwa. As I haven´t made enough posts yet I cannot post the link properly. Just add the www and remove the space before the ".com":
realinsidenews. com/911trutharticle010.html

At least socialworker knows how to copy/paste and edit videos. Too bad he used his skills in his own film.
Heiwa. You say?

To clarify Zorglubs post, that site claims that the truther-film "September Clues" is a fraud and shows example of deceiptful editing. Its interesting to see how parts of the 911-truther movements fights with the other, Steven Jones leaves "Scholars" on count of the Starwars laserbeam- and mininuke-theories of Judy Wood and Jim Fetzer, Avery et. al is bashing the "no-planers" like those behind "The Pentacon" etc. Its very, ummm... cultic.
 
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its still official evidence which you said did not exist you numpty?

have you even looked at any of the evidence supplied for the trial?

are you now saying that they did have evidence but it was all faked?

No I haven't looked at the evidence of the Moussaui trial. I only followed it in the daily newspaper I read (Le Figaro) and it never mentioned it. Pls provide a link to this official evidence (scorched passenger bodies strapped to airplane seats inside Pentagon as presented at the Moussaui trial) and an explanation why it was shown.

Heiwa

PS No need to add obtuse epithets in a message. This is a friendly discussion forum!:)
 
No I haven't looked at the evidence of the Moussaui trial. I only followed it in the daily newspaper I read (Le Figaro) and it never mentioned it. Pls provide a link to this official evidence (scorched passenger bodies strapped to airplane seats inside Pentagon as presented at the Moussaui trial) and an explanation why it was shown.

It's not hard to find - I googled "Zacarias Moussaoui trial" and it was about the third or fourth link.

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/index.html

gives you the index to all the info on the trial. The specific pictures you're looking for are

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution.html

Take a look at exhibits P200042, -5, -7 and -8, but be warned that they're an extremely unpleasant sight and may be upsetting to view.

Dave
 
Could you sum up in a few short sentences, what you believe happened with Estonia? I don't want to go through your whole page. And let's not hijack this thread. Just a short description. Do you believe it was a bomb, or what?

A passenger/cargo ferry sinks in 30 minutes and 852 dies in the Baltic 28.09.1994. Most survivors noticed a heavy impact around midnight Swedish time (01 hrs local time) - like Titanic colliding with an iceberg. A few minutes later the ferry rolls 30° port/starboard and people still awake in bars and casino and lose furniture are thrown around. Luckily the vessel regained stability with <15° list to starboard a minute later so that >300 persons could immediately evacuate to open decks 7 and 8 during 10 minutes - most of them to the port, upper side. After that the list was >40° and increasing so nobody could get out. Only three crew members did not evacuate at once! They returned to deck 1 at the bottom of the ship (engine control room) below waterline and reported various things, e.g. that water leaked into the ship at the forward bow ramp on deck 2 above waterline several minutes after the rolling and stable list <15° starboard. After 7-10 minutes they evacuated from deck 1 and two of them joined the other surviviors on the port, upper side. How they got there is a mystery (Actually, they never stayed down in the control room as they would have been trapped there. They had started the bilge pumps because the vessel was leaking under waterline and got out at once when the rollin started).

The ship had then 90° list at around 01.30 hrs local time - people were walking on the flat, port side - and most surviviors then jumped into the sea; some got into some life rafts on the side. A few minutes later the ship disappeared below the surface.

The authorities immediately announced that the visor protecting the bow ramp on deck 2 had fallen off and ripped the bow ramp fully open and that 1000's tons water had entered into the superstructure 2.5 m above waterline within a few minutes and caused the vessel to list to starboard.

Three years later the authorities concluded that faulty visor locks by incompetent engineers/workers had caused the accident. Otherwise the ship was in perfect shape with correct life saving equipment, etc. Big waves causing 100 tons sharp and loud impacts on the bow had ripped apart the locks and the visor had fallen off. (Falsified model tests were used to conclude that! Actually there were no wave impacts at all. The weather was not too bad).

That the three star witnesses had only seen a closed ramp had to be forgotten. Actually, their complete testimonies are faked several times.

So the ship sank with the visor attached. As the authorities had announced it had fallen off, they arranged that it was removed from the wreck under water using explosives, etc. Unbelievable? How did they do it? First they announced a false position of the wreck a mile east of the real wreck. Then they removed the visor and after that they salvaged the visor at the real wreck position. Later they said they had salvaged the visor a mile west of the wreck. And finally they announced the true wreck position.

What actually happened? The ferry apparently collided with a submarine stationary in the water and the starboard underwater side was damaged/pushed in in two locations - 100's tons/min water leaked in. This was the collision with the 'iceberg'. The inflowing water spread through open watertight doors and reduced the stability to zero causing the >30° rolling five minutes later. More water flowed in and stabilized the ferry, the list became <15° and people could get out.

Unfortunately the ferry lacked regulatory life saving equipment so all people had to jump into the water to survive. The ferry was a floating coffin. And it was also used to carry ex USSR military equipment as contraband to Sweden.

But this could not be admitted. So a cover up was arranged. It is quite easy. Just tell some corrupt civil servants and 'experts' to invent something. Like 9/11. Back to that subject!
 
No I haven't looked at the evidence of the Moussaui trial. I only followed it in the daily newspaper I read (Le Figaro) and it never mentioned it. Pls provide a link to this official evidence (scorched passenger bodies strapped to airplane seats inside Pentagon as presented at the Moussaui trial) and an explanation why it was shown.

Heiwa

PS No need to add obtuse epithets in a message. This is a friendly discussion forum!:)

sorry but i am not friendly with people who peddle lies and try to backtrack on claims they have made, if you act stupid you get treated stupid

if you were the researcher you think you are, you would have seen the evidence from the trial already, moussaui was an accessory in al qieda so this evidence was for his court case, now go and look at all the evidence so kindly supplied to you before coming back and posting more wild claims
 
It's not hard to find - I googled "Zacarias Moussaoui trial" and it was about the third or fourth link.

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/index.html

gives you the index to all the info on the trial. The specific pictures you're looking for are

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution.html

Take a look at exhibits P200042, -5, -7 and -8, but be warned that they're an extremely unpleasant sight and may be upsetting to view.

Dave

Thanks for the link. There is generally no evidence of an AA77 plane crasch presented except maybe for P20030 showing some unidentified mechanical parts origin of which is not known. The exhibits mentioned do not show dead passengers strapped in chairs; it is most likely Pentagon employées that have been identified.

Actually the evidence of the Moussaoui trial only reflects the 9/11 Commission report info that are completely unsatisfactory.

It always fills me with surprise and wonder that no identified wreckage parts of any kind of AA77 have ever been shown. That's why I participate in this forum. Result? Obtuse epithets!
 
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Thanks for the link. There is generally no evidence of an AA77 plane crasch presented except maybe for P20030 showing some unidentified mechanical parts origin of which is not known. The exhibits mentioned do not show dead passengers strapped in chairs; it is most likely Pentagon employées that have been identified.

Actually the evidence of the Moussaoui trial only reflects the 9/11 Commission report info that are completely unsatisfactory.

It always fills me with surprise and wonder that no identified wreckage parts of any kind of AA77 have ever been shown. That's why I participate in this forum. Result? Obtuse epithets!

so there are bodies in the pictures? good now we have cleared that up

is this the first time you had seen the evidence for that trial? have you researched it and came to a conclusion about it all?

you have exactly what experience to say that the parts that are on this list and shown on other sites are not from a boeing 757?
 
so there are bodies in the pictures? good now we have cleared that up

is this the first time you had seen the evidence for that trial? have you researched it and came to a conclusion about it all?

you have exactly what experience to say that the parts that are on this list and shown on other sites are not from a boeing 757?

Yes, there are no bodies of passengers strapped in airplane seats in the evidence of the Moussauoi trial. Yes, there is no list of any wreckage parts of AA77 or any Boeing 757/200 presented at the Moussaoui trial. Yes, this is my experience after having studied all the evidence.
Yes, I have seen all the photos of the trial alleging that damages were caused by AA77 at Pentagon ... but no evidence of any sort that the text and photo belongs together. It fills me with bewilderment. The court only assumed the damages were caused by AA77 as typed on the photos. It is not justice!:mad:
 

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