An email from a Conspiracy theorist, and I have no idea how

[funk de fino]

Please - this photo could be anything.

and you could be intelligent but you are not

them things below your eyebrows are eyes try using them

answer the point about how you completely and utterly made an arse of where the CVR and FDR were located on the plane

S C U M

 

[Heiwa]

There are thousands of pilots who disagree with p4t. Did you hear me, thousands of pilots who disagree with p4t.

Why would a pilot hit the Pentagon straight? Why does it matter? I am a pilot and the Pentagon was hit by 77. ... If you do not believe me, why would you believe 9/11 truth?

If you flew a plane and you wanted to hit the Pentagon you would aim and hit. Go to a parking lot with your bicycle and pick a car to aim at, go toward it. Did you hit it straight on or not. Just pick any car turn and aim. The straight on thing does not make sense to be worried about. He was over a mile away and he aimed at the Pentagon, as he got closer and was doing 600 mph, he can not turn and get straight, it is impossible. He would have to go back and try again.

Thousands of pilots that disagree with p4t? Haven't heard about them. And your are one? And you know!

So the alleged hijacker pilot was trying a direct hit at Pentagon but something went wrong so he had to go back and try again!

And if we do not believe that we are nazis? Sorry, I cannot follow your reasoning.

 

[Heiwa]

Ok, Heiwa, what is the only way that the FBi could prove to you that their evidence is real?

Let me guess, the only way you will believe it is if you are personally invited to look at it, or if they give you their personal investigation record books that catalogue said evidence, the latter MAYBE convincing you, maybe not.

Pathetic.

TAM

No, FBI just have to follow their standard routines of handling and presenting evidence to any interested party. Basic!

 

[T.A.M.]

Oh really...so the FBI STANDARD PROCEDURE, in an ongoing CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, is to show their EVIDENCE to ANY INTERESTED PARTY?

Can I have some of what ever you are smoking?

Nuts

TAM

 

[Unfit4Command]

Please - this photo could be anything.

Why do you keep ignoring my questions? I'm afraid that the burden of proof is on YOU, yet you haven't presented ANY evidence to support anything you're saying.

Are you ever going to do that?

You think everything was planted at the Pentagon, right? Present your evidence.

 

[beachnut]

Thousands of pilots that disagree with p4t? Haven't heard about them. And your are one? And you know!

So the alleged hijacker pilot was trying a direct hit at Pentagon but something went wrong so he had to go back and try again!

And if we do not believe that we are nazis? Sorry, I cannot follow your reasoning.

Yes there are thousands of pilots who disagree with the conclusion that p4t are unable to make, but clearly imply. Ask one. We have many here at this forum who disagree with p4t, we have more people here than p4t have. We win by numbers. But yes, thousand of pilots disagree with the p4t. You need to ask pilots. But then you are a CT believer.

The terrorist in flight 77 made a direct hit on the Pentagon. Any hit is direct, he rolled out and made a direct course for the Pentagon and hit it. No he did not try again. I said if you want to hit a side perpendicular, and you are not lined up you have to try again.

If you are a truther, you guys act like a NAZI propaganda machine. I can explain more if you do not understand.

 

[Heiwa]

Oh really...so the FBI STANDARD PROCEDURE, in an ongoing CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, is to show their EVIDENCE to ANY INTERESTED PARTY?

Can I have some of what ever you are smoking?

Nuts

TAM

I have heard this argument before of course. We agree that the incicents were criminal acts and the locations of the impacts and the planes were locations of crimes. Very good. Therefore proper forensic examinations of the locations and the planes or what remained of them should have taken place. But dit it? And I doubt very much a criminal trial will ever take place. Two highly placed suspects are kept isolated somewhere and have apparently admitted everything but I wonder if they actually tell the truth or just make it up. Probably the latter. It is not easy to admit a crime that you have not committed. And they will probably deny everything in a court room and maybe argue it was somebody else that committed the crime! So there we are.
However, it should not be impossible for FBI to show today that some properly recorded and documented wreckage parts actually belonged to the missing planes, etc. It has nothing to do with the criminal investigation. But it seems they cannot! Sometimes I wonder what they are smoking?

 

[Heiwa]

Why do you keep ignoring my questions? I'm afraid that the burden of proof is on YOU, yet you haven't presented ANY evidence to support anything you're saying.

Are you ever going to do that?

You think everything was planted at the Pentagon, right? Present your evidence.

Well, your photo of a rusty or schorched seat belt in the grass didn't impress me.

My hypothesis is that the explosion at Pentagon was caused by devices planted in the outside wall of Pentagon and inside the building = criminal, terrorist sabotage. Evidence? No plane parts seen anywhere outside the building! And it is the simplest way to cause the observed damages. The plane? Deception of course. There were apparently a number of planes circling over Pentagon at the time of incident.
On this famous surveillance video from the parking gate at Pentagon you actually see some fragments from the explosion falling down on the ground just in front of the cameras and a guard. What were they and how did they get there? I doubt very much they originated from a plane that penetrated the E-wall and then exploded inside Pentagon. The guard himself seems to have been sleeping at his switch. He comes out - looks - and goes back to his switch?

 

[GlennB]

Well, your photo of a rusty or schorched seat belt in the grass didn't impress me.

My hypothesis is that the explosion at Pentagon was caused by devices planted in the outside wall of Pentagon and inside the building = criminal, terrorist sabotage. Evidence? No plane parts seen anywhere outside the building!

My bolding.

You already know that's untrue, so why are you repeating it?

Are you just a compulsive liar, Heiwa? Or is it attention you seek? Either way, some gentle psychiatric treatment could help.

 

[Unfit4Command]

Well, your photo of a rusty or schorched seat belt in the grass didn't impress me.

Nothing impresses you Because you ignore anything that goes against your insane theories. You believe that the bodies and everything else that matched Flight 77 at the Pentagon was planted.

My hypothesis is that the explosion at Pentagon was caused by devices planted in the outside wall of Pentagon and inside the building = criminal, terrorist sabotage.

Evidence of these devices being planted?

Evidence? No plane parts seen anywhere outside the building!

Uhhh...

Just the show a few images. Debris was all over the lawn.

And it is the simplest way to cause the observed damages. The plane? Deception of course. There were apparently a number of planes circling over Pentagon at the time of incident.

I've heard of three planes around the Pentagon at the time of the attack. A C-130,a white jet, and a large American Airlines commercial aircraft. Guess which one the witnesses saw hit the Pentagon.

this famous surveillance video from the parking gate at Pentagon you actually see some fragments from the explosion falling down on the ground just in front of the cameras and a guard. What were they and how did they get there?

Maybe the massive explosion from the PLANE striking the building had something to do with it. How the hell can you tell that those "fragments" aren't plane debris?

doubt very much they originated from a plane that penetrated the E-wall and then exploded inside Pentagon. The guard himself seems to have been sleeping at his switch. He comes out - looks - and goes back to his switch?

Oh...you doubt very much that they originated from the plane, but once again you present no evidence for this claim. Are you suggesting that planes exploding can't propel debris away from crash sites?

Once again I'll ask you.
I really want you to answer this question. How is finding airline passengers still strapped to their seats evidence that the plane didn't crash there?! Did the unknown people rip out seats of the aircraft, burn the passengers and the seats, then carry them into the Pentagon without anyone noticing and set them there? Do you have any idea how sick your ideas are?
Not only are they sick, they're also not backed up by evidence, saying "they could be planted" isn't evidence.

 

[Panoply_Prefect]

Just a headsup: Heiwa is the king of goalpost moving. You will notice that posting pictures goes nowhere with him.

 

[Unfit4Command]

Just a headsup: Heiwa is the king of goalpost moving. You will notice that posting pictures goes nowhere with him.

I've noticed. It's like, as Gravy put it with Fetzer, goalposts in a tornado.

 

[beachnut]

Well, your photo of a rusty or schorched seat belt in the grass didn't impress me.

My hypothesis is that the explosion at Pentagon was caused by devices planted in the outside wall of Pentagon and inside the building = criminal, terrorist sabotage. Evidence? No plane parts seen anywhere outside the building! And it is the simplest way to cause the observed damages. The plane? Deception of course. There were apparently a number of planes circling over Pentagon at the time of incident.
On this famous surveillance video from the parking gate at Pentagon you actually see some fragments from the explosion falling down on the ground just in front of the cameras and a guard. What were they and how did they get there? I doubt very much they originated from a plane that penetrated the E-wall and then exploded inside Pentagon. The guard himself seems to have been sleeping at his switch. He comes out - looks - and goes back to his switch?

What bunch of junk. You must live in a big CT world of lies. You never worked at the Pentagon. The impact was not an explosion. You are wrong again.

 

[Unfit4Command]

Hey, did the explosives that were planted in the Pentagon without anyone noticing cause this damage to the columns inside of the Pentagon:

Or does that seem more like something plane debris would do? More photographs in the Pentagon Building Performance Report.

Also, how where were the passengers of Flight 77 landed, unloaded, killed, burned, and strapped back to their seats before being planted inside of the Pentagon? And who did it? Where did it occur? How did people manage to carry human remains, some strapped to seats, into the Pentagon without anyone noticing? Answer, or admit that your theory is insane and sick.

 

[Heiwa]

My bolding.

You already know that's untrue, so why are you repeating it?

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Are you just a compulsive liar, Heiwa? Or is it attention you seek? Either way, some gentle psychiatric treatment could help.

No, I am just curious. So from what part of a plane - AA77? - is the debris on the photo? I doubt very much it is from a Boeing 767/200. Could be from a helicopter?

 

[Heiwa]

Hey, did the explosives that were planted in the Pentagon without anyone noticing cause this damage to the columns inside of the Pentagon:

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Or does that seem more like something plane debris would do? More photographs in the Pentagon Building Performance Report.

Also, how where were the passengers of Flight 77 landed, unloaded, killed, burned, and strapped back to their seats before being planted inside of the Pentagon? And who did it? Where did it occur? How did people manage to carry human remains, some strapped to seats, into the Pentagon without anyone noticing? Answer, or admit that your theory is insane and sick.

In my opinion the damages seen on the photos could very well have been caused by one or more explosive devices in the E-wall directed inwards.

You have not asked how the lamp posts were chopped off. Want an answer?

 

[Unfit4Command]

I want you to answer these questions that I've asked several times.

I really want you to answer this question. How is finding airline passengers still strapped to their seats evidence that the plane didn't crash there?! Did the unknown people rip out seats of the aircraft, burn the passengers and the seats, then carry them into the Pentagon without anyone noticing and set them there? Do you have any idea how sick your ideas are?
Not only are they sick, they're also not backed up by evidence, saying "they could be planted" isn't evidence.

 

[Unfit4Command]

No, I am just curious. So from what part of a plane - AA77? - is the debris on the photo? I doubt very much it is from a Boeing 767/200. Could be from a helicopter?

For once I agree with you. A 767 didn't strike the Pentagon, it was a 757.

Any no, it couldn't be from a helicopter. How many helicopters do you know of that use the landing gear found in the Pentagon, the engines, have a shiny aluminum shell with red letters, and carry bodies and personal effects of people on board a 757? None.

Does these pieces of debris look like they came from a helicopter?

Or was all of this planted along with everything else?

 

[Heiwa]

I want you to answer these questions that I've asked several times.

I really want you to answer this question. How is finding airline passengers still strapped to their seats evidence that the plane didn't crash there?! Did the unknown people rip out seats of the aircraft, burn the passengers and the seats, then carry them into the Pentagon without anyone noticing and set them there? Do you have any idea how sick your ideas are?
Not only are they sick, they're also not backed up by evidence, saying "they could be planted" isn't evidence.

As far as I am concerned FBI has never informed that they found passengers strapped to their seats (with phones?) inside Pentagon. That info seems to have been planted in the newspapers later. I am only interested in official info, best backed up by some proper documentation and a name to contact that can confirm the info.

 

[Heiwa]

For once I agree with you. A 767 didn't strike the Pentagon, it was a 757.

Any no, it couldn't be from a helicopter. How many helicopters do you know of that use the landing gear found in the Pentagon, the engines, have a shiny aluminum shell with red letters, and carry bodies and personal effects of people on board a 757? None.

Does these pieces of debris look like they came from a helicopter?

[qimg]http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z80/911pictures/Pentagon/Debris/wreckage13.jpg[/qimg]

[qimg]http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z80/911pictures/Pentagon/Debris/458_flight77_cockpit_voice_recor-1.jpg[/qimg]

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[qimg]http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z80/911pictures/Pentagon/Debris/rim1.jpg[/qimg]

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[qimg]http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z80/911pictures/Pentagon/Debris/Pentagon757MainGearComparison-full.jpg[/qimg]

Or was all of this planted along with everything else?

As long as the wreckage is not properly documented (place/time found, by whom, treatment, history, origin, identified by whom, etc) I am not impressed.