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Gay Marriage

NeoRicen

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I've been thinking quite a bit about the issue lately. I used to be against it (even though I'm a Liberal Atheist) just on the grounds that it didn't seem right. But I recently changed my mind (I seem to generally be drifting further to the left) because I now think it's a complete non-issue. I mean who cares if gay people get married, it doesn't affect me in ANY way and the gays are happy, no-one loses.

Some people say it devalues their marriage if gay couples can do it. I don't buy this for a second, there's a whole lot worse going on in the world of straight marriage that would, from this point of view, devalue marriage. It's not going to make you love your spouse any less (if it does you're an idiot), it's not going to take away your marriage rights.

I'm just curious to hear from people opposed to it and their reasons why (apart from religious I suppose, seeing as that's obvious).

To me it appears to be conservatives making an issue out of nothing so they can campaign on it for elections.
 
NeoRicen said:
I've been thinking quite a bit about the issue lately. I used to be against it (even though I'm a Liberal Atheist) just on the grounds that it didn't seem right. But I recently changed my mind (I seem to generally be drifting further to the left) because I now think it's a complete non-issue. I mean who cares if gay people get married, it doesn't affect me in ANY way and the gays are happy, no-one loses.

Some people say it devalues their marriage if gay couples can do it. I don't buy this for a second, there's a whole lot worse going on in the world of straight marriage that would, from this point of view, devalue marriage. It's not going to make you love your spouse any less (if it does you're an idiot), it's not going to take away your marriage rights.

I'm just curious to hear from people opposed to it and their reasons why (apart from religious I suppose, seeing as that's obvious).

To me it appears to be conservatives making an issue out of nothing so they can campaign on it for elections.
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I also see no problem with gay marriage.
In Italy, AFAIK, they are scared that gay marriage could lead, one day, to have gay couples adopting children, like in Spain.
So, the majority is against.
As it is in Japan, it seems..
 
Matteo Martini said:
In Italy, AFAIK, they are scared that gay marriage could lead, one day, to have gay couples adopting children, like in Spain.
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An argument I just don't understand. Does anyone really believe that children are better off in care than with a couple who have been screened to ensure they are suitable adoptive parents?
 
I also have no problem with it. If it gives a gay couple equal legal rights to a heterosexual marriage (as civil partnerships, although not strictly marriage, do in the UK) then it can only be a good thing.

On gay couples adopting, before civil partnerships became law in the UK in 2005 it was legal for a single gay person to adopt. The recent hissy fit by the Catholic Church in Britain over the anti-discrimination laws that would force them to consider gay couples in their adoption agencies shows that, even though the first steps have been taken, the fight goes on against irrational victimisation of minorities.
 
If marriage was meant to be gay there wouldn't be mother-in-laws!*






(*In memory of the great Les Dawson)
 
NeoRicen said:
(I seem to generally be drifting further to the left)
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Or maybe not?

It's only in your country it's a right/left issue. Comes from only having two points of view; so if one is for, the other is against. In my country it's a much more complex issue, with parties both on the left and right being for/against.
 
See this is the result of letting societal roles get corrupted. It all started with letting women vote I tell you!

If we didn't want to have these problems we should have kept voting restricted to who the founders intended wealthy white men.
 
Ryokan said:
Or maybe not?

It's only in your country it's a right/left issue. Comes from only having two points of view; so if one is for, the other is against. In my country it's a much more complex issue, with parties both on the left and right being for/against.
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Nope. Neither party is all that for it. And it is just as much a yes or no issue in your country as well.
 
NeoRicen said:
I've been thinking quite a bit about the issue lately. I used to be against it (even though I'm a Liberal Atheist) just on the grounds that it didn't seem right. But I recently changed my mind (I seem to generally be drifting further to the left) because I now think it's a complete non-issue. I mean who cares if gay people get married, it doesn't affect me in ANY way and the gays are happy, no-one loses.

Some people say it devalues their marriage if gay couples can do it. I don't buy this for a second, there's a whole lot worse going on in the world of straight marriage that would, from this point of view, devalue marriage. It's not going to make you love your spouse any less (if it does you're an idiot), it's not going to take away your marriage rights.

I'm just curious to hear from people opposed to it and their reasons why (apart from religious I suppose, seeing as that's obvious).

To me it appears to be conservatives making an issue out of nothing so they can campaign on it for elections.
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If two people love each other - there shouldn't be anyone else allowed to influence and trying to criminalize this love. Even the church should understand that love is gods gift. At least that's what they're praying... :rolleyes:

Double-Moral-Standards from the Nut-Front.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Nope. Neither party is all that for it. And it is just as much a yes or no issue in your country as well.
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Many parties in Norway are for it, including the Conservative Party. Of course it's a yes or no issue here as well, but it's not a right/left issue.
 
Oliver said:
If two people love each other - there shouldn't be anyone else allowed to influence and trying to criminalize this love. Even the church should understand that love is gods gift. At least that's what they're praying... :rolleyes:

Double-Moral-Standards from the Nut-Front.
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It's quite possible to love each other without being married, you know.

Personally, I never quite got the point of registering your love with the government.
 
Wouldn't this argument go away if we stopped being so obsessed with categorising people socially according to what they enjoy doing with their genitals and a consenting adult in their spare time?
 
Ryokan said:
It's quite possible to love each other without being married, you know.

Personally, I never quite got the point of registering your love with the government.
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Of course it's possible if you don't believe in god and marriage at all.
But what if both parties believe in god or just want to show their love to each other by marriage? What's the difference concerning the governmental part of a marriage? Since when should the Government cite the Bible in such a multi-cultural country like America? All the discussions about it are just meant to collect voters - especially the ones from the christian wrong right.
 
Ryokan said:
It's quite possible to love each other without being married, you know.

Personally, I never quite got the point of registering your love with the government.
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Well, it's the best way some people have of expressing their love.
 
Ryokan said:
Oh, I get the ceremony part. It's the registering with the government part I don't get.
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So you are against the rights of marriage? No being able to sue for wrongful death for anyone other than a blood relative and such?
 
tsg said:
"Wrongful Death" is a civil suit, not a criminal one.
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Maybe, but any damages awarded under it could certainly be seen as a penalty.

Should it be cheaper to cause the wrongful death of a single person than a married one?
 
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