An email from a Conspiracy theorist, and I have no idea how

Heiwa said:
As far as I am concerned FBI has never informed that they found passengers strapped to their seats (with phones?) inside Pentagon. That info seems to have been planted in the newspapers later. I am only interested in official info, best backed up by some proper documentation and a name to contact that can confirm the info.
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The info wasn't planted in newspapers later. The article about the bodies still strapped to their seats is from 9/13 and Williams really saw them. This happened to real people, why don't you quit denying it without a SHRED OF EVIDENCE!?!

"WASHINGTON — On Tuesday, Army Staff Sgt. Mark Williams witnessed a combat zone for the first time in his 11 years of service. He never imagined it would be inside the Pentagon. One of the first recovery personnel to enter the crippled headquarters building after a hijacked Boeing 757 smashed into it, the urban search-and-rescue specialist found a gruesome sight. "If anyone has ever burned a pot roast, they'll know what the victims looked like," Williams, 30, said Thursday after another 12-hour shift of searching for 190 bodies — those of 126 missing Pentagon personnel and the 64 aboard the doomed jetliner.
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When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him.

"It was the worst thing you can imagine," said Williams, whose squad from Fort Belvoir, Va., entered the building, less than four hours after the terrorist attack. "I wanted to cry from the minute I walked in. But I have soldiers under me and I had to put my feelings aside."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/sept01/2001-09-14-pentagon-usat.htm

Do you have evidence he's lying? We already know that victims DNA and remains were recovered from the building. One body was even returned to her family to be cremated.

"Rescue crews were able to pull Calley's body from Flight 77's wreckage. Now, after a long period of hesitation, Jensen plans to let the Pacific waters take her cremated remains."
http://gilroydispatch.com/news/contentview.asp?c=73724

I recommend reading this document. http://www.cstl.nist.gov/div831/strbase/pub_pres/Edson2004.pdf

You have still failed to present evidence of anything being planted, you really suck at this. Quit ignoring everything and dancing around the questions.

The bowed columns I showed above weren't only from right near the E Ring wall, some were further into the Pentagon. Did explosives inside of the building to that also? Do you have any idea how idiotic planted explosives inside of the building sounds? I want evidence. Not the garbage you've been giving so far.

As long as the wreckage is not properly documented (place/time found, by whom, treatment, history, origin, identified by whom, etc) I am not impressed.
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Hey, I haven't seen any proper documentation (place/time found, by whom, treatment, history, origin, identified by whom, etc...) of debris in any other plane crashes I've seen. So does that mean no planes have ever crashed?

I'm done with you and your horrible arguments. Let this thread die people, Heiwa is unwell and needs to seek help.
 
I've often asked Heiwa how he can be sure that it was actually the Pentagon that was hit/bombed - I haven't found any evidence of properly handling of the building debris, neither the loose parts, nor the stationary. How do we now it wasn't some other building? Actually how do we know a terrorist act happend at all? This could just be a national conspiracy perpertrated by the entire american people, just to get some attention from the rest of us.

Bottom line is until Heiwa gets an officiall invitation from the FBI that reads something like "Dear mr Bjorkman, we could really use all that expertise you've gathered running your one-person company from a Wanadoo-account in France. Would you be as kind as to join us here in Virginia and help us go thru all this evidence from 9/11 we've been wrongfully witholding", he will deny that anything, anything at all, might be considered evidence of what actually happened september, 11, 2001.

If that would happen, he would of course move the goalposts again, and claim that the FBI is trying to buy the no.1 truther off.

(BTW, I seem to recall that one of the posters here, actually were one of those recovering debris at the Pentagon?)
EDIT: It was Hal Bidlack.
 
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Heiwa said:
As long as the wreckage is not properly documented (place/time found, by whom, treatment, history, origin, identified by whom, etc) I am not impressed.
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Once again, Heiwa, for the love of god, JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO SUCH DOCUMENTATION DOES NOT MEAN IT DOESNT EXIST.

If you feel you have to see such documentation before you will believe it exists, than you will continue to live in blissful ignorance.

They have no need, NO OBLIGATION to show you or any members of the general public such lists, so why should they?

TAM:)
 
Panoply_Prefect said:
I've often asked Heiwa how he can be sure that it was actually the Pentagon that was hit/bombed
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I have never heard that (stupid) question. I believe you are in trance and denial like many others about 9/11? But it is good that you know realize that Pentagon was hit/bombed. Question remains how.

BTW - trance = abnormal, dreamy state when you accept the most preposterous suggestions by the authorities. Denial = statement that something is not true.

OT - do you still believe the Estonia sank due to too weak visor locks?
 
T.A.M. said:
Once again, Heiwa, for the love of god, JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO SUCH DOCUMENTATION DOES NOT MEAN IT DOESNT EXIST.

If you feel you have to see such documentation before you will believe it exists, than you will continue to live in blissful ignorance.

They have no need, NO OBLIGATION to show you or any members of the general public such lists, so why should they?

TAM:)
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I think 'they' should abide by the US constitution ... and not try to change it. :)
 
Heiwa said:
As far as I am concerned FBI has never informed that they found passengers strapped to their seats (with phones?) inside Pentagon. That info seems to have been planted in the newspapers later. I am only interested in official info, best backed up by some proper documentation and a name to contact that can confirm the info.
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there were photos of the bodies in the seats presented as evidence in the moussaui trial along with many other photographs of the pentagon attack

go and look at them
 
Wow, a couple totally different approaches to conspiracy debate on the forum today.

I'm not sure what technique is more aggravating--Heiwa who basically ignores evidence that contradicts his position, or A-Train, who acknowledges the evidence but invents intricate, complicated solutions to the apparent contradictions.
 
Heiwa said:
I have never heard that (stupid) question. I believe you are in trance and denial like many others about 9/11? But it is good that you know realize that Pentagon was hit/bombed. Question remains how.

BTW - trance = abnormal, dreamy state when you accept the most preposterous suggestions by the authorities. Denial = statement that something is not true.

OT - do you still believe the Estonia sank due to too weak visor locks?
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You are a CTer on everything. Your posts have all been stupid questions.

Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, only idiots from 9/11 truth make up stuff and deny it. Enough evidence is there to figure it out. If you have some facts present them. So far you have just had bad question and you are repeating lies from 9/11 truth.
 
Heiwa said:
I think 'they' should abide by the US constitution ... and not try to change it. :)
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your point is ridiculously obtuse, unless you can show me where in the US Constitution, it says that an investigative organization, or law enforcement organization is required to reveal to the general public, evidence in an ongoing, or even stalled but still open criminal case.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
your point is ridiculously obtuse, unless you can show me where in the US Constitution, it says that an investigative organization, or law enforcement organization is required to reveal to the general public, evidence in an ongoing, or even stalled but still open criminal case.

TAM:)
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Thanks for using obtuse (I am so stupid I had to look it up to learn what you are saying). Open criminal case is just an excuse to hide incompetency or worse; don't you agree? Or/so why don't 'they' start the trial? :mad: The accused need not to be present (the person will deny everything anyway). Present the evidence! If you have any! Much better than starting wars and disturbing heiwa.:)
 
funk de fino said:
there were photos of the bodies in the seats presented as evidence in the moussaui trial along with many other photographs of the pentagon attack

go and look at them
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So Moussaui was accused of putting them there? How did he do that?
 
Heiwa said:
I have never heard that (stupid) question.
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Of course you think its stupid, its in line with the type of pretend-critical thinking you've shown ample examples of.

Heiwa said:
OT - do you still believe the Estonia sank due to too weak visor locks?
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Feel free to quote anywhere I expressed my view on what the cause of the Estonia accident. I have no recollection of ever doing so.
 
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Heiwa said:
So Moussaui was accused of putting them there? How did he do that?
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stop being ignorant and making claims that no-one else has made, you wanted proper evidence that there were bodies in the pentagon they are contained in the evidence that was shown to the court for the above trial

if this blows your claims out of the water then its probably best you dont look

i hear the sound of another bubble bursting
 
funk de fino said:
stop being ignorant and making claims that no-one else has made, you wanted proper evidence that there were bodies in the pentagon they are contained in the evidence that was shown to the court for the above trial

if this blows your claims out of the water then its probably best you dont look

i hear the sound of another bubble bursting
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And to add, I would imagine that Moussais lawyer would have torn any fake evidence to pieces. But of course, they are all bought by the omnipotent NWO, aren't they?
 
Panoply_Prefect said:
Of course you think its stupid, its in line with the type of pretend-critical thinking you've shown ample examples of.



Feel free to quote anywhere I expressed my view on what the cause of the Estonia accident. I have no recollection of ever doing so.
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Sorry, gate keeper. You said you had asked me the question but you had not. Too busy with other things?

Re Estonia I was just asking a polite question - no quote. Do you have an answer? Just to know your IQ, you know. Gate keeper!
 
twinstead said:
Is there such a thing as an accomplice in the universe you live in?
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Off course. But Moussaui was just another patsy in my opinion. According to his mother he appeared completely drugged during the trial (sic). So he never admitted strapping corpses to seats in Pentagon as you suggest.
 
funk de fino said:
stop being ignorant and making claims that no-one else has made, you wanted proper evidence that there were bodies in the pentagon they are contained in the evidence that was shown to the court for the above trial

if this blows your claims out of the water then its probably best you dont look

i hear the sound of another bubble bursting
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But Moussaui was not tried for putting bodies in Pentagon. So that 'evidence' was not even reviewed. You wonder why it was introduced? To deceive people?
 
Heiwa said:
Off course. But Moussaui was just another patsy in my opinion. According to his mother he appeared completely drugged during the trial (sic). So he never admitted strapping corpses to seats in Pentagon as you suggest.
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Well, at least you qualified that as 'your opinion', because whether you believe Moussaui was properly implicated in that trial or not, you have to admit that the evidence presented is potent.

Basically, it presents the 'official story' of the 911 attacks out there for everybody to see and critique. You can speculate all you want, you can choose to believe his mother (my child would NEVER do anything like that. Ever heard that before?), you can claim all the evidence is planted or fake.

What you can't deny is that IF LEGIT, this evidence totally disproves your theory about that day.

It is understandable that you would downplay it or declare it 'fake'; if I were in your situation I would too.
 
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