You have got your history mixed up! In Germany 1933 it was the government that deceived the population, e.g. by destroying the Reichstag building. Those good patriots who were not deceived ended up in concentration camps and/or were murdered.
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You have got your history mixed up! In Germany 1933 it was the government that deceived the population, e.g. by destroying the Reichstag building. Those good patriots who were not deceived ended up in concentration camps and/or were murdered.
Unfit4Command
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Where does it say the plane didn't burn at all?
Do you expect the quote to read, "When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their [scorched] seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him."
I think the "scorched bodies" and "charred flesh" should be enough to say the seats and everything else was burned.
I know it's hard to believe, but sometimes seats, passengers, and safety belts can survive plane crashes. Rescue workers and people involved in the cleanup effort tell us this.
"Early Friday morning, shortly before 4 a.m., Burkhammer and another firefighter, Brian Moravitz, were combing through debris near the impact site. Peering at the wreckage with their helmet lights, the two spotted an intact seat from the plane’s cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long. They’d been told the plane’s “black boxes” would in fact be bright orange, but these were charred black. The boxes had handles on one end and one was torn open. They cordoned off the area and called for an FBI agent, who in turn called for someone from the National Transportation Safety Board who confirmed the find: the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 77."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699/
I'm not sure what the identity of the airline passengers found still strapped to their seats is. However, there are several news stories about the identification of the passengers.
"The remains of five people killed in the terrorist attack on the Pentagon were damaged beyond identification in the massive explosion and fire after a hijacked airliner crashed into the building's west side, officials said.
Investigators have identified remains of 184 people who were aboard American Airlines Flight 77 or inside the Pentagon, including those of the five hijackers, but they say it is impossible to match what is left with the five missing people."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61202-2001Nov20?language=printer
"By contrast, identification work at the Pentagon and in Shanksville, Pa., where two other passenger jets crashed on 9/11, has been complete since early 2002.
Analysts from the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Washington matched remains to seven crewmembers and all 33 passengers aboard United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed in Shanksville after passengers struggled with the hijackers. At the Pentagon, military medical examiners linked remains to 179 victims, including passengers aboard American Airlines Flight 77 and people working in the facility. Five people who perished at the Pentagon could not be matched to remains."[FONT="]
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-09-11-sept11-remains_x.htm[/FONT]
"The DNA results strengthened the hypothesis that two of the terrorists were brothers, as indicated by other evidence. Two of the terrorist STR profiles aboard the AA Flight 77 gave a sibling index greater than 500. To further test the hypothesis of maternal relatedness, AFDIL sequenced the HVI and HVII regions of mtDNA for these individuals. The sequences generated did match in HVI and HVII, which is consistent with a maternal relationship between the two men."
http://www.cstl.nist.gov/div831/strbase/pub_pres/Edson2004.pdf
Here are a couple stories about Personal Effects being found.
More information here
I really want you to answer this question. How is finding airline passengers still strapped to their seats evidence that the plane didn't crash there?! Did the unknown people rip out seats of the aircraft, burn the passengers and the seats, then carry them into the Pentagon without anyone noticing and set them there? Do you have any idea how sick your ideas are?
Not only are they sick, they're also not backed up by evidence, saying "they could be planted" isn't evidence.
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Panoply_Prefect
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It. Is. Not. The. NTSB. FDR. Analysis.
Someone, please, please, make him understand. I've tried so long.
Panoply_Prefect
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Strange stories. Fire fighters combing through debris! It is not their job! Intact seat from the cockpit with a chunk of floor still attached! Amazing. Two black boxes side by side! I thought the FDR was located in the aft end of the plane and the CVR in the front. Area being fenced off. Hm!
Amazingly no seats or safety belts were recovered at Shanksville but at Pentagon yes. From the cock pit. That had gone through a reinforced wall.
I think the authorities have still a lot to explain; it is the whole idea of democracy. The citizens hold the authorities responsible and the latter must clarify all inconsistencies. Not by strange stories in the media.
No, I am right. The truth movement is made of lies, just like the NAZIs lied for political ends, so does 9/11 truth. You have fallen for lies, you visit web sites like p4t and are fooled by people who sell lies and label it 9/11 truth. Just like NAZIs. You are not able to identify lies and you do not what to believe what happen on 9/11 so you go to the liars of 9/11 truth. You have joined the liars and you repeat the lies of 9/11 truth without even checking, you just believe it. No facts, no evidence you are falling for lies. You are unable to use your mind in logical and rational manner to see te lies of 9/11 truth.
Keep up the good work and spread those lies. No facts, just lies; 9/11 truth. P4t is total fiction.
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Were fire fighters not involved in such work at Ground Zero?
Why is that amazing? Was it planted?!
Wrong.
And it never said they were found "side by side" just in the same area. Why shouldn't that area be cordoned off when a piece of evidence like the black boxes are found?
You're acting like ONLY the seat went through the reinforced wall. While ignoring the massive amount of plane that's in front of the seats that could have possibly played a part in breaking the hole.
Also, at least one safety belt was recovered from Shanksville, along with several other chunks of debris. ALL PLANTED?! HM!?
I'm going to ask the same questions I asked in the previous post since you failed to address ANY of them.
I really want you to answer this question. How is finding airline passengers still strapped to their seats evidence that the plane didn't crash there?! Did the unknown people rip out seats of the aircraft, burn the passengers and the seats, then carry them into the Pentagon without anyone noticing and set them there? Do you have any idea how sick your ideas are?
Not only are they sick, they're also not backed up by evidence, saying "they could be planted" isn't evidence.
One more question, WHAT CAUSED THE DAMAGE TO THE PENTAGON WHILE LEAVING BEHIND PASSENGER REMAINS, DNA, PERSONAL EFFECTS, TONS OF AIRLINER DEBRIS?
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Pilots for truth is a total fiction site. You have been fooled by people who are selling DVDs for 14.99, 15.99.
The NTSB animation is a working copy. The words added to the NTSB animation are fiction. If you are a pilot they would be funny if the topic was not about my fellow soldiers being killed and passengers being killed. You have latched on to lies from a very few pilots who make up lies about 9/11. If you tried to learn you could see this. The person at p4t is a failed pilot who now is making up stuff, and selling DVDs on 9/11 lies.
You can buy the DVDs for money. Go check it out. I would not buy it, it is packed with false information, but they have fooled you. Why?
Only the truth movement pilots say that. You could fly a plane and do the exact same thing. Go to the airport and get an introductory flight. Get some money and do something instead of reading lies and believing them. You first need to treat the junk from 9/11 truth like you are treating me. Are you happy with the lies 9/11 truth makes up. There are only a few pilots who are "nuts" enough to ignore their training and the facts on 9/11 and make up lies. There are thousands of pilots who disagree with p4t. Did you hear me, thousands of pilots who disagree with p4t. Why are you fooled by a few pilots. There are more pilots here that can tell p4t are misleading you, even you could prove them wrong if you research enough. But it takes time to learn the facts on 9/11 which you will never find from 9/11 truth.
Why would a pilot hit the Pentagon straight? Why does it matter? I am a pilot and the Pentagon was hit by 77. It is too easy to fly, go get a flight, you may get sick, you may have fun, you will not regret it either way. Go do something and stop being lazy and believing 9/11 truth. If you do not believe me, why would you believe 9/11 truth?
Please get some help from some rational people to understand 9/11 truth is just fiction.
If you flew a plane and you wanted to hit the Pentagon you would aim and hit. Go to a parking lot with your bicycle and pick a car to aim at, go toward it. Did you hit it straight on or not. Just pick any car turn and aim. The straight on thing does not make sense to be worried about. He was over a mile away and he aimed at the Pentagon, as he got closer and was doing 600 mph, he can not turn and get straight, it is impossible. He would have to go back and try again.
How old are you and why do you believe anyone about anything? It is best you do not believe anyone, and find all the facts yourself. The internet is full of liars, you have found them, and you are spewing the liars junk. You failed to find the truth, you have found liars.
He is trying to be one of them, beachnut.
Check out his website
http://heiwaco.tripod.com/carnet_propositions.htm
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It is OT but the CIA informed the US government that there were 949 WMD sites in Iraq, which Secretary of State Colin Powell then informed UN, etc., as a good reason to attack Iraq which was done by US against all international law. After checking the 949 sites the US authorities found ... nothing. Not one WMD! They found some persons stating that Iraq might have considered WMD and so on. Not very convincing.
Question: Are the CIA staff Nazis ... or just incompetent idiots?
Panoply_Prefect
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And most of the West media, countries and even the UN envoy Hans Blix, didn't buy into this story, now did they?
I have no idea if "the CIA" was particularly incompetent in their attempts, but I think they were under heavy pressure to produce something that weren't there. Which very, very fast proved to be something that couldn't be accomplished.
Do you ever stop to think why there weren't ever a need for a "WMD in Iraq-truther movement"? (Or, for that matter, why the US NWO evil governement didn't just plant WMD's in Iraq...)
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I actually asked Beachnut but the answer is wrong. CIA evidently produced false 'facts' about WMDs in Iraq at the request of their masters to suit their needs. Later same people alleges Iraq was behind 9/11 and many Americans believe that too. It seems the same happened 9/11 to FBI a little earlier. Produce something blaming OBL to suit the needs. And they did it very quickly! Finding passports, suitcases, instruction manuals, patsies, etc. And excuses why NORAD and FAA slept at their switches. Nazi style according Beachnut.
Interesting that nobody protests when Beachnut calls the whole 9/11 truth movement nazi.
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Hey. You people are accusing people of mass murder on the slimmest of evidence and conjecture, shoving some kind of ideological agenda down our throats, and accusing anybody who disagrees with you of being 'in on it', a mindless drone, or an idiot.
If Nazi is the worst you get called then you're ahead of the game, mmmmkay?
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Hey look, you're ignoring what I presented again. Goodbye, you're not worth my time.
Everyone, ignore this troll.
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Heiwa said:
Anyone else see the problem here? Would not the FDR be considered wreckage parts of said plane crash? So in essence Heiwa just admitted the planee did crash into the pentagon...or is he misleading/lying/NWO stooging himself???
CT'er confuse the crap out of me. It must be a scary world to live in.
Please - this photo could be anything.
Anyone else see the problem here? Would not the FDR be considered wreckage parts of said plane crash? So in essence Heiwa just admitted the planee did crash into the pentagon...or is he misleading/lying/NWO stooging himself???
CT'er confuse the crap out of me. It must be a scary world to live in.
Of course the FDR is a wreckage part but we don't know its background. Found by two fire fighters in the debris according a newspaper report with the CVR. Reliable? And then the recordings/animations show another route than 9/11 Commission report. Confusing. Completely unprofessional.
Yes, I (people?) am accusing some gangsters of mass murder. Question is who they are. Nazis? And I am accusing nobody else of anything except maintaining that the US authorities have made a sloppy, cheap, incompetent job with the various investigations, which we (try to) discuss.
Anyway - so far nobody has convinced me that the 9/11 Commission report is correct. Of course all material evidence is secret pending some trial that will never take place and in the meantime the gangsters can destroy what evidence that remains. It seems some people are still sleeping at their switches.
Ok, Heiwa, what is the only way that the FBi could prove to you that their evidence is real?
Let me guess, the only way you will believe it is if you are personally invited to look at it, or if they give you their personal investigation record books that catalogue said evidence, the latter MAYBE convincing you, maybe not.
Pathetic.
TAM
Let me guess, the only way you will believe it is if you are personally invited to look at it, or if they give you their personal investigation record books that catalogue said evidence, the latter MAYBE convincing you, maybe not.
Pathetic.
TAM
Given there is no way to convince you, people here have likely given up trying. Believe what you want, few if any here really care...you are beyond help.
TAM