Proof of God

What is your god doing about this?
Back in the good-old-days of many so-called gods and all, you could pray to a so-called god of your choice and it would fix it and if it didn't, you would just keep trying other so-called gods until one did.

Paul

:) :) :)

Oh for the good-old-days..................
 
What is your god doing about this?

You say you have the power what are you doing about it?

We tithe what little we can through different Christian organizations and it is passed down with many other people’s money that tithe for many charities.

How about skeptics groups do they tithe? Do you have a collection in here for the good of others?
Or is it just to support your veiws?

Everyone is destined to die, some sooner than others and what I suspect God does as is written, because these are the innocent he takes them pass go, directly to himself, and at go is where we will have to answer for our reluctances and be judged.
 
Dangerous ? Why is your god so vindictive ?
Sure against a Fiend God and his followers.
Isn't that what you want to portray?
What does a Fiend God do exactly/
What's its purpose?
He's got a big / axe, I would think deceive is it's biggest purpose.
Your name indicates it.
Your purpose is the same as what you worship.

And what exactly do you do about those children Belz?
 
Paul ansewer to my question,
So is it Gods fault when you fail to replace the batteries in your smoke detector?

Well like yes,


Why would you blame someone you don’t believe in?
If you have blame you must believe some one is responsible other than yourself?

me, Taken out of context,

When your house burns down?

Paul,
What, you are burning down my house now, so sweet of you and your so-called god, edge.

Tin Man!
Straw-man, edge, for once and most likely only once get it right edge.

No you are burning down your house the blame is on you and twisting my words won’t change that, you don’t believe in sweet Jesus so why should he protect you even if your batteries are dead?
Give me one good reason when you deceive the words that are his for us?

But you never know what he might show you.

Tin man is the new word for skeptics like you in answer to straw man; you have no heart for the lord.
It’s a joke you can’t seem to get.

If I seen your house on fire I would do all that I could to help you.

I said,this is where the guilt lies,
Through the sins of others, either through greed or laziness or subversion of appropriated moneys.

Pauls ansewer,
Your so-called god just has to get rid of sin, all-powerful, right.
No we do!
He is with out that’s why he has separated himself physically but left some in our hearts even yours tin man.
The blame lies in us now, not God paul.
 
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Why would you blame someone you don’t believe in?
I don't, you just don't get it, I do say a so-called god, to believe in one that doesn't do anything is just plain stupid.

If you have blame you must believe some one is responsible other than yourself?
Once again you don't understand, I would go over it again.

No you are burning down your house the blame is on you and twisting my words won’t change that, you don’t believe in sweet Jesus so why should he protect you even if your batteries are dead?
Jesus, if there was one was not the son of a so-called god because there is no so-called god. And if there was a man called Jesus he wasn't sweet, if he didn't wash he stunk.
Give me one good reason when you deceive the words that are his for us?
He has no words, he wasn't, get over it.
But you never know what he might show you.
He again hasn't shown anything, well one thing, don't beat your slaves to badly.
Tin man is the new word for skeptics like you in answer to straw man; you have no heart for the lord.
Do you know what a straw-man means, I know you don't.
It’s a joke you can’t seem to get.
That is not a joke, I know jokes......... I will let it go at that.
If I seen your house on fire I would do all that I could to help you.
And, what does that have to do with a so-called god. Straw-man.
I said,

Pauls ansewer,

No we do!
He is with out that’s why he has separated himself physically but left some in our hearts even yours tin man.
You buy into a lot don't you.

The blame lies in us now, not God paul.
Once again there is no so-called god, if there was one it should be fired.

Paul

:) :) :)
 
You say you have the power what are you doing about it?
I'm not omniscient or omnipresent and I'm supposed to be fixing your god's mess? I give to charity because I believe people should help each other and certainly not rely on a deity that does nothing and in all likelyhood doesn't exist. And if it exists it just doesn't care.

We tithe what little we can through different Christian organizations and it is passed down with many other people’s money that tithe for many charities.
But why should you have to do this? You're fixing your god's mess. Shouldn't he in his endless love for man save those poor children from dying (many times in agony) from illnesses he inflicted on them in the first place?

How about skeptics groups do they tithe? Do you have a collection in here for the good of others?
Or is it just to support your veiws?
Are you saying that you need to believe in a deity to care about human suffering? Are skeptics heartless bastards?

Everyone is destined to die, some sooner than others and what I suspect God does as is written, because these are the innocent he takes them pass go, directly to himself, and at go is where we will have to answer for our reluctances and be judged.
I can picture your god saying: "Hey, let's give this nice couple a beautiful child to love and cherrish. Now, let's give the child leukemia and see what happens."

Your god may torture and kill innocent children... but he loves them.
 
Powa,
Location: Slovenia, do you live there?
I can picture your god saying: "Hey, let's give this nice couple a beautiful child to love and cherrish. Now, let's give the child leukemia and see what happens."
Why would you think this comes from God and not the entity call satan?
 
Powa,
Location: Slovenia, do you live there?
Da (yes).

Why would you think this comes from God and not the entity call satan?
Why would you think this comes from the entity called Satan and not God? I ask this in all seriousness. Why ascribe all the good things to God and all the bad to Satan? What if the roles are reversed? Would you know?

And another thing: if you saw a child with a terminal illness and you had the power, would you not cure them? Of course you would. Because you're human. Why doesn't God do it? Instead he lets a child die in pain before their parents' eyes. Aren't we all supposed to be God's children? Would you do that to your children?
 
It seems you do not realise that the one leads to the other.

Two particles that once interacted remain entangled forever, and respond instantaneously whenever either of the pair interacts with any other particle. But all the particles in the universe have been involved in interactions with all the other particles all the way back to the big bang. This means that every particle reacts instantaneously to interactions between every pair of particles everywhere in the universe.

Superholism with a vengence!

Ugh - please, for the sake of all of us, don't read any more books on quantum mechanics. You have misunderstood what you have read.

Quantum entanglement is only observable under highly controlled conditions. It involves two particles which are 'entangled' and whose properties, when one of the particles properties are defined, will allow the properties of the other particle to be known and define the properties of the other particle. Quantum entanglement requires highly controlled conditions because if one particle in the pair interacts with any other particles, the 'connection' between the original pair will be less well defined. Once one particle of the pair has interacted with a relatively small number of particles the original connection is so insignificant as to be non-existant for any meaningful definition of entanglement. That is why controlled conditions are required - in the universe at large there are so many billions of interactions going on every second that a particle over there (say, outside) has exactly zero effect on a particle over here (say, in your spleen). Or, more accurately, the particle over there has as much effect on the particle over here as my exhaling sharply into a glass jar would have on the rate Bellatrix consumes fuel.

Then, of course, there's also backward in time causation, where what happens in the future causes what happened in the past.

Which is intrinsically related to quantum entanglement (as far as I can recall). What the hell is your point?

Ah! I'm getting the Mobyspeak now:

Not true. Belz... has been rational and reasonable this whole time, he hasn't just started now.

Rather than go over this all again, I'm just going to formalise the following argument for you so you can see in plain logic just how wrong you are.

This argument:

"There is no god," is falsified by demonstrating the existence of god.
The existence of god cannot be demonstrated.
Therefore, "There is no god" is not falsifiable.

Can be formalised as such:

g: The existence of god can be demonstrated.
n: "There is no god" can be falsified.

g ⊃ n
~g
∴ ~n

This is called denying the antecedent and it is a logical fallacy. Your argument is not valid.

Does having it written out for you like that finally help you understand?
 
Powa askes,
Why would you think this comes from the entity called Satan and not God? I ask this in all seriousness. Why ascribe all the good things to God and all the bad to Satan? What if the roles are reversed? Would you know?
Yes, I would know acually.
What if the roles are reversed?
And that is a great lie then from my perspective.
You are being deceived.
 
Yes, I would know acually.
How?

And that is a great lie then from my perspective.
You are being deceived.
But you can't be deceived? What if everything you believe is a great lie? That's why I'd like to know how you would know you're not deceived. Believing is not knowing. I can believe in anything I want but it doesn't make it so.
 
Sure against a Fiend God and his followers.
Isn't that what you want to portray?

It's my avatar.

What does a Fiend God do exactly/

You tell me. As far as I know, it doesn't exist, so it doesn't do squat.

He's got a big / axe, I would think deceive is it's biggest purpose.
Your name indicates it.
Your purpose is the same as what you worship.

Can't worship something you know to be a myth.

And what exactly do you do about those children Belz?

So, why is your god so vindictive ?
 
But you can't be deceived? What if everything you believe is a great lie? That's why I'd like to know how you would know you're not deceived.

He probably just "knows". That's the thing about woo-woos, they trust their feelings. He wouldn't even know if it was heartburn or hormones.

Mobyseven said:
Or, more accurately, the particle over there has as much effect on the particle over here as my exhaling sharply into a glass jar would have on the rate Bellatrix consumes fuel.

Few things affect Bellatrix' fusion rate...
 
This argument:

BillyJoe:
"There is no god," is falsified by demonstrating the existence of god.
The existence of god cannot be demonstrated.
Therefore, "There is no god" is not falsifiable.


Can be formalised as such:

g: The existence of god can be demonstrated.
n: "There is no god" can be falsified.

g ⊃ n
~g
∴ ~n

This is called denying the antecedent and it is a logical fallacy. Your argument is not valid.

Does having it written out for you like that finally help you understand?


That was a cute trick, Mobydick. :D

Here is the trick exposed.....


P: [The existence of god can not be demonstrated]
Q: ["There is no god" can not be falsified]

(P is true by definition)



Clearly, this is a case of modus ponens, which is a VALID argument.

If P, then Q.
P.
Therefore, Q

Translated:

If [The existence of god can not be demonstrated], then ["There is no god" is not falsifiable]
[The existence of god can not be demonstrated]
Therefore, ["There is no god" is not falsifiable]

(The first line follows from the fact that "there is no god" is falsifiable only by demonstrating the existence of god)



It is NOT a case of the invalid argument denying the antecedent.

If P, then Q.
Not P.
Therefore, not Q.

Translated:

If [The existence of god can not be demonstrated], then ["There is no god" can not be falsified]
Not [The existence of god can not be demonstrated]
Therefore, not ["There is no god" can not be falsified]

Or, more simply:

If [The existence of god can not be demonstrated], then ["There is no god" can not be falsified]
The existence of god can be demonstrated
Therefore, "There is no god" can be falsified

This is clearly incorrect because the definition of god is that [The existence of god can not be demonstrated]



You tricky dicky you! :D
 
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Sorry, I do not have time for any more replies.
It was footy night again!

However,

Mobyseven is correct about the quantum entanglement thing.
My book, given to me by my father in law, was written in 1984.
(should have checked)
The other two written in 1995 and 1999 did not seem to contradict it.
(but they didn't affirm it either)
An internet search shows it to be out of date with respect to the interconnectedness angle.

From now on I will use the phrase: Instantaneous action at a distance.

regards,
BillyJoe
 
P: [The existence of god can not be demonstrated]
Q: ["There is no god" can not be falsified]

(P is true by definition)

[...]

If P, then Q.
P.
Therefore, Q

[...]

You tricky dicky you! :D

Who's tricking, now ?

P is false, therefore your reasoning fails.

I've explained this to you before:

Remember my flat earth analogy ?

P: [The flatness of the Earth can not be demonstrated]
Q: ["The Earth is Round" can not be falsified]

P, then Q
P
Therefore Q.
 
I'm still waiting for the so-called god proof.

Paul

:) :) :)

Paul looks at CNN and the bridge that fell, nope, no so-called god there.

From Greeneyes to Paul,

Hey Paulhoff,
Just a few words to shed some “LIGHT”. Believing is a mindset. You have look at things from a spiritual point of view. For example, none of those children on that bus were killed. Where did all those people come from so soon to help with the rescue? There could not have been more survivors could there? In fact they were. It is also amazing that there were not more casualties. The other side of the bridge was closed for paving. Had it been open, there would have so many more killed. Another example would be to think that this should be a wake up call to Americans to take a look at the infrastructure of all our engineering such as the pipes deteriorating underground, our roadways, our buildings, our bridges and so on. That bridge was so out dated that it was inevitable. Common sense would have addressed this problem a long time ago. Upon inspection in 1990, the report that was turned in should have executed immediate restructure. But no, it would have cost millions of dollars. That would have been too high of a price to make Americans safe. Therein lies the problem. Man is more worried about money than about the lives of others. While some bureaucrat was lining his pocket, people were being killed. Greed is the bottom line here not money. When you are separated from the one and only true God, one surrenders to things like greed, power, vanity, hatred, lust, and so on. This would be the beginning of misappropriating funds, spending thousands on your face, going to Vegas, and so on. Why not? Giving to the flesh feels much better than feeding starving people.
I hate to say it but it is people like you that are separated that are causing the world problems. We just don’t have enough Christians. That is because this world belongs to the devil. Jesus died on the cross to give us the gift of eternal life in His kingdom. Not in this world. You may not understand this and I forgive you and so does God. But to stay separated from him is a mistake. I will pray for you and yours and hope to see you in the kingdom.
God BlessYou.


You need to read this too.


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2829329#post2829329
 

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