An email from a Conspiracy theorist, and I have no idea how

[Heiwa]

So you think that the fuel did indeed stop inside the building, but Purdue didn't mention that unusual fact?

I submit that the jet fuel DIDN'T stop inside the building, therefore it is unreasonable to suggest that Purdue should have explained it. You disagree, show me what leads you to believe it 'stopped inside the building'. For example, what then constitutes the fireball?

As shown in message #305 quoting NIST the jetfuel arriving at 500 mph stopped inside the building. Some evaporated and caused fire balls in various directions clearly seen, some flowed down through the elevator shafts, some continued to burn on the floors, etc. No jetfuel flew out as a normal person would expect.

Everywhere you look at alleged 'facts' of 9/11 you find inconsistencies. Actually it stinks everywhere. At WTC1,2,7, at Pentagon, at Shanksville. That's why we discuss a conspiracy of some kind. Some Ph.D experts on this forum appear to lack this sense of smell.

To me it seems that whatever caused the fire balls and fire in WTC2 did not arrive at 500 mph and stopped within 240 feet. So if it didn't arrive at 500 mph it must have been stored in the building beforehand! The building was prepared for it ... and later destruction (that we discuss)! The 'plane' seen slicing through the south wall in 0.2 sec on various videos without being damaged seems unreal. It should have started to disintegrate within 0.05 sec! The creator of the video didn't know how to make a proper job.

So I cannot connect this 'plane' with the big smoke/small fire balls exiting the south wall a fraction of a second later. They also seem unreal. Conclusion? An illusion. All witnesses were deceived. Some Ph.D experts on this forum appear also not understanding that witnesses can be decieved. They always refer to these witnesses/testimonies as some sort of established truth or facts. And then FBI, FEMA, NIST, Purdue, etc. try to prove that the illusion was true.

 

[Heiwa]

Further observations supporting CD

Here are some further observations about CD:

http://nationalwriterssyndicate.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=128&Itemid=2

 

[GlennB]

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So I cannot connect this 'plane' with the big smoke/small fire balls exiting the south wall a fraction of a second later. They also seem unreal. Conclusion? An illusion......

Well, that film of Gandlalf and friends running away from the Balrog seemed real enough to me.
Conclusion?
Balrogs exist. (And I'm damn well going to check for one lurking under the bed tonight)

 

[twinstead]

As shown in message #305 quoting NIST the jetfuel arriving at 500 mph stopped inside the building. Some evaporated and caused fire balls in various directions clearly seen, some flowed down through the elevator shafts, some continued to burn on the floors, etc. No jetfuel flew out as a normal person would expect.

Everywhere you look at alleged 'facts' of 9/11 you find inconsistencies. Actually it stinks everywhere. At WTC1,2,7, at Pentagon, at Shanksville. That's why we discuss a conspiracy of some kind. Some Ph.D experts on this forum appear to lack this sense of smell.

To me it seems that whatever caused the fire balls and fire in WTC2 did not arrive at 500 mph and stopped within 240 feet. So if it didn't arrive at 500 mph it must have been stored in the building beforehand! The building was prepared for it ... and later destruction (that we discuss)! The 'plane' seen slicing through the south wall in 0.2 sec on various videos without being damaged seems unreal. It should have started to disintegrate within 0.05 sec! The creator of the video didn't know how to make a proper job.

So I cannot connect this 'plane' with the big smoke/small fire balls exiting the south wall a fraction of a second later. They also seem unreal. Conclusion? An illusion. All witnesses were deceived. Some Ph.D experts on this forum appear also not understanding that witnesses can be decieved. They always refer to these witnesses/testimonies as some sort of established truth or facts. And then FBI, FEMA, NIST, Purdue, etc. try to prove that the illusion was true.

All witnesses were deceived? Do you have any idea of the implications of that statement?

So you and a few intrepid armchair investigooglers have figured it all out, and have come to the brilliant conclusion that "then FBI, FEMA, NIST, Purdue, etc. try to prove that the illusion was true"? All I have is YOUR word for it, since I'm no expert I rely on experts, and every expert I have ever talked to basically thinks you're full of crap, and for some reason you expect me (or any rational person) to buy this stuff.

Do you have any idea how crazy that sounds? Thousands of eye witnesses, probably THE most witnessed major event in world history, were fooled. Structural engineers world-wide fooled, first responders were fooled. Or IN on it, huh? LOL

And then you have the NERVE, after trying to shove this ludicrous theory down our throats you WE'RE the crazy ones, to tell us that we just have no understanding that witnesses can be deceived?

Okay. This is a joke, right.

 

[Heiwa]

All witnesses were deceived? Do you have any idea of the implications of that statement?

So you and a few intrepid armchair investigooglers have figured it all out, and have come to the brilliant conclusion that "then FBI, FEMA, NIST, Purdue, etc. try to prove that the illusion was true"? All I have is YOUR word for it, since I'm no expert I rely on experts, and every expert I have ever talked to basically thinks you're full of crap, and for some reason you expect me (or any rational person) to buy this stuff.

Do you have any idea how crazy that sounds? Thousands of eye witnesses, probably THE most witnessed major event in world history, were fooled. Structural engineers world-wide fooled, first responders were fooled. Or IN on it, huh? LOL

And then you have the NERVE, after trying to shove this ludicrous theory down our throats you WE'RE the crazy ones, to tell us that we just have no understanding that witnesses can be deceived?

Okay. This is a joke, right.

No. Deception is the most important part of illusion as any magician will say. Of course there was a big, strange bang up at 82nd floor witnessed by a few on the ground but the 'plane'? The plane has been recorded on many videos that all look a little different and strange. Part of the deception. The explosive material was easiest planted in the tower previously.

In other fora I have suggested the same thing for Pentagon. The explosive material was planted in the wall and E-block of the Pentagon!

As you can see on various videos the WTC2 and Pentagon fireballs/fires are completely different. In Pentagon there is no jetfuel on fire! Just a strange, pyramide fireball of short duration. Difficult to hide jetfuel in a wall and in a Pentagon office? In WTC2 the fuel was probably hidden in an empty office.

As nobody has ever seen planes flying into buildings at 500 mph and knows what it looks like, a witness of such an event is easy to decieve. They may hear noise and notice a big explosion ... and draw their erroneous conclusions.

'Experts' appear to say that the plane always penetrate - disappear - into the building and that there is no wreckage. It also disappears. Magic and paranormal. The main subject of JREF. To be discussed in a friendly way, by the way, for those, not you twinstead, that has forgottet that.

This strange lack of identified wreckage parts is very disturbing. Of course, many believe that identified wreckage parts were actually found but I haven't seen a list of those. Some photos of course but they could as well be part of the deception. It seems national security is in the way for a proper investigation.

 

[Heiwa]

How to falsify an accident investigation

Many JREF participants seem to have a blind faith in authorities and witnesses about 9/11. But it is easy to falsify an accident investigation and invent some other cause.

http://heiwaco.tripod.com/news.htm

First - you manipulate what the witnesses experienced.

Second - you find some 'experts' to support the invented cause.

Third - you appoint some 'scientists' so support the invented cause using falsified methods.

Fourth - you ensure that anybody questioning 1 - 3 is accused of being a conspiracy theorist and generally being useless.

Needless to say you use media only to mention the invented cause.

 

[David Wong]

Many JREF participants seem to have a blind faith in authorities and witnesses about 9/11. But it is easy to falsify an accident investigation and invent some other cause.

http://heiwaco.tripod.com/news.htm

First - you manipulate what the witnesses experienced.

Second - you find some 'experts' to support the invented cause.

Third - you appoint some 'scientists' so support the invented cause using falsified methods.

Fourth - you ensure that anybody questioning 1 - 3 is accused of being a conspiracy theorist and generally being useless.

Needless to say you use media only to mention the invented cause.

And all you have to do is get thousands of people from several countries and all walks of life, to comply with mass murder, without a single one of them coming forward or accidentally spilling the beans or refusing to go along. Not. A. Single. One.

Easy!

 

[Heiwa]

And all you have to do is get thousands of people from several countries and all walks of life, to comply with mass murder, without a single one of them coming forward or accidentally spilling the beans or refusing to go along. Not. A. Single. One.

Easy!

Yes, very easy. After the Estonia sank (at least 852 dead) most European governments accepted the false explanations, the United Nations International Maritime Organization belived everything 100%, etc. Then the false, invented (no evidences) explanation became an established truth. Any serious government scientist trying to question it got serious problems with fundings, etc. The message was clear. Shut up or we destroy your career. If you were not a government employé but private it was shut up or we destroy your reputation. The Swedish government executive coordinating the cover up was given a medal by the US! The relatives trying to have the matter investigated in a court were silenced by various means.

But 9/11? The governments and populations of Germany and France are very critical about the official findings. Several ministers have openly questioned them. A majority here does not believe the US authorities official explanations. But it is up to the US citizens to clean up the mess. Charity begins at home.

 

[Corsair 115]

As nobody has ever seen planes flying into buildings at 500 mph and knows what it looks like, a witness of such an event is easy to decieve.

No, it isn't, and certainly isn't for anyone with a decent pair of eyes for spotting special effects. Should I break out my standard list of questions vis-a-vis your knowledge, understanding, and ability to detect special effects once more?

'Experts' appear to say that the plane always penetrate - disappear - into the building and that there is no wreckage.

Uh, if it's inside the building, then how the heck can anyone see it? The building is in the way. But perhaps you're just phrasing your objection poorly and I'm missing what it is you're trying to get at.

This strange lack of identified wreckage parts is very disturbing.

I'm disturbed that anyone thinks there'd be much in the way of identifiable wreckage given the speed of the impacts and the absolutely enormous explosions which immediately followed them.

 

[Alt+F4]

Any serious government scientist trying to question it got serious problems with fundings, etc. The message was clear. Shut up or we destroy your career. If you were not a government employé but private it was shut up or we destroy your reputation.

If I had important evidence regarding a murder investigation involving hundreds or thousands of victims and revealing that evidence would result in my being fired from my job and destroy my reputation, would I reveal the evidence anyway?

OF COURSE I WOULD.

Wouldn't you?

 

[twinstead]

God, not the old, "they are afraid of their careers" argument.

What a cynical, ignorant, and extremely wrong world view you have Heiwa when you think that nobody, out of thousands of people, would "do the right thing" even if it meant loosing their jobs.

You know what? People "do the right thing" every day, sometimes they do it if it means losing their LIVES.

What planet are you from dude?

 

[David Wong]

And I can only assume that losing their career would be worth the multi-million dollar book deal that would follow, as well as the chance to go down in history books as one of the greatest heroes of freedom and democracy who ever lived...

 

[T.A.M.]

Funny how every second headline on PrisonPlanet is about this or that Whistleblower, yet not one of the engineers has done so, not one single person who could ACTUALLY PROVE 9/11 was an inside job has come forward....no, only whistle blowers who blow smoke about this "inconsistency" or that "peculiarty".

Where are the REAL whistle blowers I wonder.

TAM

 

[beachnut]

No. Deception is the most important part of illusion as any magician will say. Of course there was a big, strange bang up at 82nd floor witnessed by a few on the ground but the 'plane'? The plane has been recorded on many videos that all look a little different and strange. Part of the deception. The explosive material was easiest planted in the tower previously.

In other fora I have suggested the same thing for Pentagon. The explosive material was planted in the wall and E-block of the Pentagon!

As you can see on various videos the WTC2 and Pentagon fireballs/fires are completely different. In Pentagon there is no jetfuel on fire! Just a strange, pyramide fireball of short duration. Difficult to hide jetfuel in a wall and in a Pentagon office? In WTC2 the fuel was probably hidden in an empty office.

As nobody has ever seen planes flying into buildings at 500 mph and knows what it looks like, a witness of such an event is easy to decieve. They may hear noise and notice a big explosion ... and draw their erroneous conclusions.

'Experts' appear to say that the plane always penetrate - disappear - into the building and that there is no wreckage. It also disappears. Magic and paranormal. The main subject of JREF. To be discussed in a friendly way, by the way, for those, not you twinstead, that has forgottet that.

This strange lack of identified wreckage parts is very disturbing. Of course, many believe that identified wreckage parts were actually found but I haven't seen a list of those. Some photos of course but they could as well be part of the deception. It seems national security is in the way for a proper investigation.

This is the biggest pile of junk I have heard yet.

The aircraft on 9/11 were real and that is exactly how they look when they fly into buildings at 470 to 590 mph. The jet fuel was exactly the same at the Pentagon and the WTC. The camera is not! Not a single thing in your post is true.

No one planted anything in the Pentagon or the WTC. And you have no facts to support any of your absurd ideas.

You could be the smartest person in the world but you have amassed the largest pile of false information on 9/11 I have seen in one post. What is your source for this junk?

 

[beachnut]

The NIST reports are full of nonsense. Thanks for the examples. So 30 tons of jetfuel arrives at abt 500 mph and slices through the WTC2 south wall during 0.2 seconds - nothing happens ... and then the jetfuel stops inside the tower!! Magic! Paranormal. Some scrap continues forward ... but the jetfuel stops. And then there is this magic, paranormal ball of fire.

As you gentlefolk attending JREF forum already should be aware of, I do not believe the 0.2 second video show of the plane slicing through the south wall of WTC2 is real. It is amateur Photo-shop animation (+ 10 seconds of something approaching the south wall prior that).

What does it mean?

A. That no 30 tons of jetfuel arrived/sliced through the south wall of WTC2 at 500 mph!

B. That the fire ball we see on the videos of WTC2 is not caused by subject jetfuel!!

I have to admit that I got quite depressed and unhappy when concluding B. It would have been easier to accept the magic, paranormal show and forget about it. It seems many NIST 'experts' do the same in various ways.

Any comments? But please, no insults, etc. I am quite a nice and extremely happy guy.

Your ideas A and B are wrong. A plane with jet fuel did impact the WTC, and the fire ball was caused by the jet fuel in the planes. These are the facts of 9/11 and your statements are false. Your statements are all false. You should be happy, you have no good ideas about 9/11. Where do you get your crazy ideas from?

 

[stateofgrace]

If you were not a government employé but private it was shut up or we destroy your reputation.

I have removed the rest of your rubbish and would like you to clarify this rubbish.

Are you seriously suggesting that people, real people, I mean real people would not come forward to do so would destroy their careers? Do you honestly believe this utter naive garbage? that anybody would keep quiet about mass murder because they fear for their careers and reputation?

Are you on something whereby you think you and your loony friends are the only people that can see the world’s injustices? Do you have such a low opinion of your fellow human beings that they would keep quiet when they know full well that there was some form of wrong doing? Is this really, truly, your opinion of your fellow engineers?

 

[T.A.M.]

SOG...this line...

you and your loony friends are the only people that can see the world’s injustices? Do you have such a low opinion of your fellow human beings that they would keep quiet when they know full well that there was some form of wrong doing? Is this really, truly, your opinion of your fellow engineers?

pretty much sums up exactly how they view things.

TAM

 

[Heiwa]

I have removed the rest of your rubbish and would like you to clarify this rubbish.

Are you seriously suggesting that people, real people, I mean real people would not come forward to do so would destroy their careers? Do you honestly believe this utter naive garbage? that anybody would keep quiet about mass murder because they fear for their careers and reputation?

Are you on something whereby you think you and your loony friends are the only people that can see the world’s injustices? Do you have such a low opinion of your fellow human beings that they would keep quiet when they know full well that there was some form of wrong doing? Is this really, truly, your opinion of your fellow engineers?

Of course I am seriously suggesting that real people incl. engineers behave as suggested. Nobody visited the link I posted where I gave an example. And there are others.

Prof. S. Jones tried to be a good citizen and see what happened.

Yes, I think the world is pretty rotten but that it could be changed.

 

[Heiwa]

This is the biggest pile of junk I have heard yet.

The aircraft on 9/11 were real and that is exactly how they look when they fly into buildings at 470 to 590 mph. The jet fuel was exactly the same at the Pentagon and the WTC. The camera is not! Not a single thing in your post is true.

No one planted anything in the Pentagon or the WTC. And you have no facts to support any of your absurd ideas.

You could be the smartest person in the world but you have amassed the largest pile of false information on 9/11 I have seen in one post. What is your source for this junk?

I use the following scientific method:

1. All scenarios must be considered to be true until the contrary is proved.
2. All observations, assumptions or statements on which a scenario is based must be considered false until the contrary is proved.

 

[~enigma~]

I use the following scientific method:

1. All scenarios must be considered to be true until the contrary is proved.
2. All observations, assumptions or statements on which a scenario is based must be considered false until the contrary is proved.

Either you failed science or you paid the teacher to pass you. And you certainly would fail a class in logic.