The 9/11 Conspiracy Facts

[lapman]

They stated that it would make things go quicker

True

, due to the circumventing of roadblocks and overhauls- hence easier

false. It would be due to need.

It was to preserve US hegemony. Everything else was secondary. This would have been made easier by a new PH, was above

Completely false. A war is a potential threat to hegemony because you can lose. The PNAC would know this.

ur denying the arms budget went up drastically?

Not denying it. But it did not go up per PNAC's design.

read the doc, I have posted you quotes amillion times I am sure, you or your herd

As I've stated, and proved, many times, the doc refers to the Gulf region in general, not Iraq specifically.

I dont care about execution, I aminterested in design

Of course since it is easier to change your take on the design to suit your needs.

They had enough control to sack the army, and overthrow and kill the president. That is control.

errr. You stated:

They embark upon one element of the WOT, namely the occupation and control of Iraq and its oil fields.

We do not have control over Iraq and it's oil fields.

This concerns me not a jot, I want to debate on my own; as you can see, I dont need any help. But for the record, I have received 2 PMs laughing at the stupidity of you and your herd, not that this means anything.

Hey, I've gotten 2 PMs as well about you. Bully for you. But they are not posting on here. If they really supported you, they would be defending you regardless.

 

[BillyRayValentine]

Lol, suffice to say that you should preclude "symbolism" and "serious inten" from the use of humour illustrates your problem quite nicely.

Uh, we're talking about a specific film. Not a generality, genius.

Please stop making such a fool out of yourself.

 

[BillyRayValentine]

Well, the 2nd para here is the only one that addresses stuff that hasnt already been addressed, but since it is completely substanceless, I dont know what you expect me to say.

The point is (or at least should be) self-evident.

I repeat. Please stop making such a fool out of yourself.

 

[BillyRayValentine]

What an absolutely idiotic post. Am I willing to conspire in getting someone who I met once fired just so he might go to court against 2 multi billion dollar firms and the US government??? What the hell are you taking???

As ever, excellent comprehension skills.

You say he has already implicated them. That what he has said, thus far, is tantamount to accusing them of a cover-up.

Confirming what he has explicitly said to you, personally, should change nothing, by your logic. If he hasn't been fired yet, nor will he if you share what he's told you. It's a way to test your theory - that he hasn't and won't be fired because he's telling the truth.

If he is fired (and telling the truth), however, that much better for the both of you. He'll make millions in court, and the both of you will be heroes the world over for cracking the case.

I offered you a chance to prove your point, youngster. You'd be conspiring to prove his veracity, and thrust all this nonsense into the light of day. I'd think you'd jump at the chance. But no, you're content (as is Scott) to leave things at the innuendo stage. No point in risking one's job over a little thing like the murder of 3,000, eh?

As for he didnt implicate his company, he is implying that there was nefarious activities undertaken on the w/e b4 911, with the blessing of FT, on their premises, and they have not since come out and admitted to this undertaking. And you say this is not implicative. You are simple, no?

Astonishing. Nefarious activities on their premises? With the blessing of FT? They should admit to this undertaking?

What an absolutely retarded paragraph. Congratulations - a new personal low.

Your "thoughts" are so frighteningly dull, I can't bear witness to them anymore. Not to mention I'm starting to feel guilty - almost like I'm enabling your stupidity. Time for me to just count my blessings for having all my faculties, and move along.

Good luck to you - this moronic thread is all yours.

 

[nicepants]

Good luck to you - this moronic thread is all yours.

To say this thread is moronic is an insult to morons everywhere. I propose that Mjd is given an honorary Stundie for failing to present any new evidence after over 2,600 posts.

 

[Corsair 115]

At the time I posted this, mjd1982 had a total of 749 posts. 711 of those are in this single thread.

I just found that an interesting bit of numeric trivia...


Incidentally, this is my first post in this thread.

 

[mjd1982]

False statement. If he was a credible witness, he would be allowed. I never stated that his ethnic background had anything to do with his credibility.

No, you say he isnt credible because the state dept disagree with him.

Dont even go into law.

This would leave the burden of proof on him. Where are the supposed documents that provide proof?

They were supplied to CP. They exist. They would be supplied in court

I guess you don't know the difference between intelligent vs gullible. As already shown, the PH is in now way part of PNAC's design. An intelligent person would have figured this out by now. Someone who's gullible enough to believe the "TM's" lies would not.

Again, a substanceless piece of opinion, nothing I can say here

Nope, I'm fine. You, on the other hand, are so lost in your psychosis that you can't distinguish between reality and fantasy.

as above

Right.Right.WRONG. PA was having the power down. FT just happen to be a lessee on some of the affected floors.

Good. So you dont think that SF is alleging FT had a power down on the w/e b4 911. This illustrates your moronic and untenable position very well

WRONG. They did not order the power down so there is nothing for them to report to anybody else.

As above

 

[mjd1982]

If the investigation is approved by congress, it wouldn't be independent, now would it?

As far as what there is to pay for? How about money to victim's families? (Or do you think they were in on it too?)



Dylan Avery says that over 50,000 copies of LC have been sold. SOURCE
50,000 DVDs at $17.95 apice, that's $897,500.

1. This has been discussed a million times. Go back to ~p5, read and learn

2. Thats one group. Go and show what the others have done. And move onto the othr 1/2 points

 

[mjd1982]

1. err ok

2. he is a creation of cohen, he is a racist and bigotted boor, this does not mean cohen is, was warren mitchell racist?

3. i am not your PA, but in the case of groundskeeper willie, then no, the simpsons is not racist because of him

Borat is a direct vehicle for Cohen's social commentary. Thus if Borat is racist, logically so is Cohen.

Similar can be applied to Wille etc. What is happening here is simply that the absurdity of pointing to "Scottishphobia" as an instance of racism is making you realise that such cannot, sensibly be true. Which goes back nicely to the point about chinese motorcycles.

 

[mjd1982]

no, he is not

FT did not give their blessing, they had no choice in the matter, they are the tenant, since when do tenants get to dictate to landlords about maintenance work that needs to be carried out?

they have not admitted the power down or denied the power down, point irrelevant

none of the other companies that have offices on those floors from 50 upwards have come out and admitted it either? they must have been in on the action too i take it? they must have given their blessing for the nefarious activities? you are the only one so far who thinks there is an implication of FT, does this not ring any alarm bells in that head of yours?

you accuse this guy of being simple and then reply in such a simpleton fashion yourself?

Not a good point. To say that because they havent said anything, therefore theyre not complicit in the cover up is an absurdity, since one of the characteristics of a cover up can be that no one says anything. Thus your argument has zero logical worth

 

[mjd1982]

possibilty of more than 1 in the litvinenko case as well though, wasnt there?

litvinenko was by now a uk citizen, so is it any different than the foreign workers killed in 911, these were not domestic? very propitous to try and imagine only american nationals were killed on 911 eh?

bush alledgedly murders uk citizens so would or could the MET not be expected to investigate any allegations? remember at this point in time, it is not an allegation against bush it is an allegation against FT or more likely PA of dodgy goings on around that date, if they find more then we need to think how far this would go at that point and only at that point

they are similar cases of state sponsored murder, if we believe your opinion on who carried out 911, carried out by these countries leaders, what charges could be brought?

i would say the putin case is worse ,in some ways, because there is some case built that it was ordered by someone in russia and it was done to a foreign national on foreign soil, the reason they will not hand him over is because they fear what the MET know and what may come out in court

whereas there is no proof in the 911 murders that would indite bush, if there was he would in the clink by now

the whole crux is that you said it was not possible to imagine the MET would investigate these claims and by looking at the litvinenko case it seems they most probably would, if not what reasons would stop them?

You believe that indicting Putin in killing 1 person is worse than indicting Bush in 911.

If you are not prepared to be sensible in debate, then what is the point in engaging in it?

 

[mjd1982]

True

false. It would be due to need.

Why dont you read the doc, it wil remove lits of cobwebs

Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a
new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and
industrial policy will shape the pace and
content of transformation as much as the
requirements of current missions. A
decision to suspend or terminate aircraft
carrier production, as recommended by this
report and as justified by the clear direction
of military technology, will cause great
upheaval. Likewise, systems entering
production today – the F-22 fighter, for
example – will be in service inventories for
decades to come. Wise management of this
process will consist in large measure of
figuring out the right moments to halt
production of current-paradigm weapons
and shift to radically new designs. The
expense associated with some programs can
make them roadblocks to the larger process
of transformation – the Joint Strike Fighter
program, at a total of approximately $200
billion, seems an unwise investment.

These are some of the reasons for the long process. Difficulties, that would be circumvented bya new PH

Completely false. A war is a potential threat to hegemony because you can lose. The PNAC would know this.

LOL

Your dumbest comment to date. So hegemony cannot be achieved through war. Examples?

Not denying it. But it did not go up per PNAC's design.

It went exactly to their design- 3.5-3.8% of GDP

As I've stated, and proved, many times, the doc refers to the Gulf region in general, not Iraq specifically.

Iraq/Saddam is mentioned ~45 times in the docc

Of course since it is easier to change your take on the design to suit your needs.
errr. You stated:We do not have control over Iraq and it's oil fields.

No? Then what is ths oil law that is about to be passed in Iraq handing major control and profits over to forein firms that the Iraqis are protesting about?
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/17/1355251

In the Iraqi port city of Basra, hundreds of oil industry workers demonstrated on Monday to protest a draft oil law that would open up Iraq's oil reserves to foreign companies. Protest organizers accused the United States of trying to control Iraq's wealth. They issued a statement that read: "If this is endorsed by the parliament it would abolish sovereignty and hand over the wealth of this generation and the generations to come as a gift to the occupier."

Hey, I've gotten 2 PMs as well about you. Bully for you. But they are not posting on here. If they really supported you, they would be defending you regardless.

Lol, dude, the day I need "support" against the likes of you, BRV and Belz, is a day that will never come.

 

[mjd1982]

Uh, we're talking about a specific film. Not a generality, genius.

Please stop making such a fool out of yourself.

Well, you were the one that said the film is "dripping in symbolism... and serious intent", and thus cannot be a comedy, so your comments are more directed at yourself, I'm afraid.

I am, however, in total agreement.

 

[mjd1982]

As ever, excellent comprehension skills.

You say he has already implicated them. That what he has said, thus far, is tantamount to accusing them of a cover-up.

Confirming what he has explicitly said to you, personally, should change nothing, by your logic. If he hasn't been fired yet, nor will he if you share what he's told you. It's a way to test your theory - that he hasn't and won't be fired because he's telling the truth.

If he is fired (and telling the truth), however, that much better for the both of you. He'll make millions in court, and the both of you will be heroes the world over for cracking the case.

I offered you a chance to prove your point, youngster. You'd be conspiring to prove his veracity, and thrust all this nonsense into the light of day. I'd think you'd jump at the chance. But no, you're content (as is Scott) to leave things at the innuendo stage. No point in risking one's job over a little thing like the murder of 3,000, eh?



Astonishing. Nefarious activities on their premises? With the blessing of FT? They should admit to this undertaking?

What an absolutely retarded paragraph. Congratulations - a new personal low.

Your "thoughts" are so frighteningly dull, I can't bear witness to them anymore. Not to mention I'm starting to feel guilty - almost like I'm enabling your stupidity. Time for me to just count my blessings for having all my faculties, and move along.

Good luck to you - this moronic thread is all yours.

You said you were going to leave before? Make it real this time please

 

[mjd1982]

To say this thread is moronic is an insult to morons everywhere. I propose that Mjd is given an honorary Stundie for failing to present any new evidence after over 2,600 posts.

Then you shouldnt find any difficulty in responding to it. Why do you then?

 

[mjd1982]

At the time I posted this, mjd1982 had a total of 749 posts. 711 of those are in this single thread.

I just found that an interesting bit of numeric trivia...


Incidentally, this is my first post in this thread.

I'm pretty certain this isnt your first post here; nonetheless, I dont know what your point is about my posting here. What is your point?

 

[funk de fino]

Borat is a direct vehicle for Cohen's social commentary. Thus if Borat is racist, logically so is Cohen.

Similar can be applied to Wille etc. What is happening here is simply that the absurdity of pointing to "Scottishphobia" as an instance of racism is making you realise that such cannot, sensibly be true. Which goes back nicely to the point about chinese motorcycles.

no, you are incorrect, he uses borat to allow him to make fun of people, now answer the question i asked do not avoid again please

was warren mitchell a racist?

willie is in no way racist or can be deemed a racist character or written to be a racist character, i am scottish mate so i would know this better than you, it does not offend scots people in anyway

however if i was chinese and you made that remark i would think you racist and crass like borat

 

[funk de fino]

Not a good point. To say that because they havent said anything, therefore theyre not complicit in the cover up is an absurdity, since one of the characteristics of a cover up can be that no one says anything. Thus your argument has zero logical worth

911 cannot be a cover up then because PNAC, Rumsfeld and Silverstein are among the few who the truther accuse of saying things about it?

thank you for pointing this logic out to me

i am not saying they are not implicit because they say nothing, just that your point is irrelevant unless you provide proof that they know the allegations you claim that have been made by scott and that they are keeping quiet about them

do not run away from the "FT gave their blessing" statements, answer this point

and the fact other companies would have had to give their blessing for the power down scott claimed as well

 

[funk de fino]

You believe that indicting Putin in killing 1 person is worse than indicting Bush in 911.

If you are not prepared to be sensible in debate, then what is the point in engaging in it?

yet again you avoid the issue, i said "in some ways", you are cherry picking the parts you would like to answer again

could or could not this murder have killed more than litvinenko, considering the manner it was carried out?

was it done on foreign soil?

was it only domestic victims in 911 like you claimed?

if the MET has reason to believe there was a conspiracy to murder british nationals in the US then you think they would just ignore these allegations would they? are the MET in on the conspiracy?

again why would they not at least start an investigation into the initial claims ? you said it was inconceivable they would travel abroad for an investigation like this when in fact they have already done so with a similar case?

your avoidance of points is ignorant to say the very least, if you cant answer something then just say you can't

 

[funk de fino]

No? Then what is ths oil law that is about to be passed in Iraq handing major control and profits over to forein firms that the Iraqis are protesting about?
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/17/1355251

you know nothing about the oil industry, so do not even go down this road, you will only look more foolish, this is just a gentle warning to save you any more embarrassment

stick to your speculation and reading between the lines about PNAC, scott and OSL