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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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Patty did not navigate over and around any debris field, and there are no pictures showing any such thing, imo.

The PGF incident is well known and well studied by believers and skeptics alike.

Perspective compression with lenses is also well known. Note how the apparent distance between the truck and the barn changes with focal length, while the actual distance remains the same. The same thing happens with the trees behind the barn as well.

http://www.kevinwilley.com/l3_topic04.htm

This causes Patty to look closer to the woods than she really is, and it causes the piles of logs to look closer to Patty than they really are, imo.

Patty is still closer to the woods for cover, though.
 
Luminous said:
I just posted pictures where she had to navigate around and over a debris field. It's funny you feel the need to "debunk" that particular point. It shows that you know I'm right; that a man in a suit could have never navigated the terrain.
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Is that a collective ' you ' ?

Show us a man in a suit ( besides the one we see in the film ) failing to navigate that terrain, and you might have a point...

We need to debunk it, because you have presented it as evidence of something..

You behave as though no one has looked at this since 1967, and you are all of a sudden having all this insight that thousands of posts, here and at BFF have overlooked...

Apparently your knowledge of filmography is right up there with your expertise in anatomy and physiology..

That is a real interesting idea about people arguing with you because they know you are right .. Can you claim it as your own; or does someone else deserve the credit ?

I wish Sweaty had said that, then I could use it in my signature...
 
Luminous said:
I just posted pictures where she had to navigate around and over a debris field.
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"Navigate around and over a debris field"?
Have you seen the enhanced and stabilized PGF version?
By sheer coincidence I saw it last night in "Best Evidence" bigfoot episode (at last) at my big screen TV, with an image quality far superior to the PC monitors I use.

Patty can not be seen dodging any obstacles, Patty can not be seen making any curves around obstacles, Patty can not be seen walking or stepping over logs. Patty is not "navigating around and over debris"

Unless, of course by "navigating", you mean to walk along a (probably) almost straight line.

Luminous said:
It's funny you feel the need to "debunk" that particular point. It shows that you know I'm right; that a man in a suit could have never navigated the terrain.
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I don't think you are right, for the following reasons:
1.The clips I linked to in my previous posts show men in gorilla costumes running, jumping and making caprioles, thus waking at Bluff creek stream bed would be quite easy. I have seen no evidence that a man in a gorilla costume would not be able to do so. Do you happen to have something to back your claim that a man in a costume could not follow Patty's path?
2.The pic I posted clearly show how easy it would have been to walk at the site; the "debris field" is not large and most of terrain is clear. Do you happen to have some information that we are not aware of and indicate the opposite?
3.Lets suppoose you are right; there were much more debris than the pic shows and gorilla costumes are too cumbersome and block most of the view field. All it would take is to find (or make) a clear path, instruct the bloke in the gorilla suit to walk along it (possibly making some test runs) , find a suitable place to stay with the camera and shout "action"...
4.PGF does not show Patty avoiding or climbing any obstacle, thus this whole discussion is completely irrelevant.

Luminous said:
So you have to prove that Patty had a clear pathway. The pictures prove otherwise. There were some debris. The pictures out rank a model of the area 100 times over.
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I think you have to prove she did not had a clear path. Can you? Look at the movie, tell me the time you can see her avoiding and/or walking over any obstacles.

Luminous said:
Who build that model anyway? What's it based on, sketches? Have they ever been there personally?
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Luminous, I urge you to sometimes do your own research instead of just posing questions; I also think you should consider addressing the issues and questions we present instead of just making new questions. You may have other issues to attend, so do we, so what about grabbing the info we've already presented, use it as a starting point to gather more information, study it and then exposing your conclusions (if you think they are relevant)?
 
Correa Neto said:
"Navigate around and over a debris field"?
Have you seen the enhanced and stabilized PGF version?
By sheer coincidence I saw it last night in "Best Evidence" bigfoot episode (at last) at my big screen TV, with an image quality far superior to the PC monitors I use.

Patty can not be seen dodging any obstacles, Patty can not be seen making any curves around obstacles, Patty can not be seen walking or stepping over logs. Patty is not "navigating around and over debris"

Unless, of course by "navigating", you mean to walk along a (probably) almost straight line.


I don't think you are right, for the following reasons:
1.The clips I linked to in my previous posts show men in gorilla costumes running, jumping and making caprioles, thus waking at Bluff creek stream bed would be quite easy. I have seen no evidence that a man in a gorilla costume would not be able to do so. Do you happen to have something to back your claim that a man in a costume could not follow Patty's path?
2.The pic I posted clearly show how easy it would have been to walk at the site; the "debris field" is not large and most of terrain is clear. Do you happen to have some information that we are not aware of and indicate the opposite?
3.Lets suppoose you are right; there were much more debris than the pic shows and gorilla costumes are too cumbersome and block most of the view field. All it would take is to find (or make) a clear path, instruct the bloke in the gorilla suit to walk along it (possibly making some test runs) , find a suitable place to stay with the camera and shout "action"...
4.PGF does not show Patty avoiding or climbing any obstacle, thus this whole discussion is completely irrelevant.


I think you have to prove she did not had a clear path. Can you? Look at the movie, tell me the time you can see her avoiding and/or walking over any obstacles.


Luminous, I urge you to sometimes do your own research instead of just posing questions; I also think you should consider addressing the issues and questions we present instead of just making new questions. You may have other issues to attend, so do we, so what about grabbing the info we've already presented, use it as a starting point to gather more information, study it and then exposing your conclusions (if you think they are relevant)?
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There were several places where Patterson ran with the camera. (we don't know what Patty had to navigate around during that time because the camera was shaking all over the place.) The stills I captured were just before and just after each Patterson run. They show Patty just before and after navigating some debris. Patty's hand is outstretched and leaning on a log after she walks between two trees. There's more running and there she is again, right in the middle of a debris mine field. Sorry I have to disagree with you on this. The pictorial evidence points clearly to a living creature, navigating around some pretty rough terrain. A man in a suit would be fumbling and falling on his face in such terrain.

Disagree if you want, but the evidence falls clearly in my court.
 
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Luminous,

LTC8K6 gave you the lat and long for google. The problem seems to be that you don't understand the difference between decimal and degree coordinates. Whadda ya think I'm new at this?



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kitakaze said:
Me too. Luminous, you knew about this, right? Speaking of holy sticks, if I may ask Luminous, are you religious at all? Just curious.
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Of course. But he only walked the Spot where Patty was most visible. It was a hight comparison test. He did not walk the whole route. You knew that already right?
 
Luminous, where's the still that clearly shows Patty leaning on a log? How come none of the people who were at the film site talk about Patty going through crazy debris?
 
Luminous, I can't believe I didn't realize this before but it just became apparent to me who you are. You are David Thomas King of the NESRA bigfoot research organization on the BFF, DTK on the MABRC, AKA Kerry D Anderholm. I'm right, aren't I? It's not a big deal but as I and others have said before it is often the personalities of the bigfoot phenomenom that are as interesting as the subject itself. I think it's fair to say you are heavily involved in the phenomenom. I've actually been familiar with your posts for a few years now.
Luminous said:
I have posted on the Bigfoot Forums, but nothing currently, and I'm unfamiliar with searchforbigfoot. I contributed to two threads on cryptomundo, however. Again, nothing recent.
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I can understand why you wouldn't post at the BFF now. Did the destroyed beaver dam debacle contribute?

Luminous said:
All I can say is that I hate religion!
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You wrote this, right?:

http://aibi.gospelcom.net/articles/bewarmen.htm

Are you an atheist now or still a pastor?

Anyway, as I said, it's no big deal. As William Parcher mentioned before, it is interesting figuring out which bigfooter is who when they come here. Also it does put in perspective much of what you've said or commented on (bigfoot sea to sea, for example). BTW, I wasn't quite sure until I had seen this discussion at the MABRC.

Regarding your current line of pursuit concerning this debris, I think you are quite mistaken but I look forward to any evidence you present supporting it.
 
Luminous said:
Wow, there's actually a proponent on the board with me! Suddenly I don't feel so alone! Roll out the red carpet for LAL everybody! We'll maybe not everybody... It's probably more like me rolling it out alone. Anyway, welcome LAL. I see you've accumulated quite a few posts here it seems.

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Wooow! He-hey, fancy meeting you here. Yes, welcome!

Sorry, Lummi, little ribbing there.;)

Here's a thread at the MABRC some people might be interested in:

Luminous and LAL's bigfoot search adventures in Hot Springs, NC.

I must admit I'm jealous. I've just about had it with impossibly crammed trains, 34 degrees of humidity nightmare, and 24/7 Tokyo summer madness. Be careful and good luck with your endeavours.
 
Of course. But he only walked the Spot where Patty was most visible. It was a hight comparison test. He did not walk the whole route. You knew that already right?
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Jim McClarin walked Patty's entire route, actually. It was also a time comparison to walk the distance. Why Luminous wouldn't know that is beyond me, since he's been told here recently...

And what's up with the wrong quotes?
 
Wellif they ever pefect cloning they can clone homo giganthropiticus. Clone a family of tham and teach them to hide and survive in our remote forests and then the Sasquatch enthusiasts will be happy.
 
kitakaze said:
Luminous, where's the still that clearly shows Patty leaning on a log? How come none of the people who were at the film site talk about Patty going through crazy debris?
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I just got through hearing M.K. Davis (Who has visited the site) talk about how extremely difficult it was in that particular location because of the difficult terrain. (See Keeping the Watch by John L Johnsen of Grendel Films)

If you notice, except for a turn to look back, Patty's repeatedly looking down. Now why do you think that is? Because it's nice and smooth?

Here are some pictures to examine. The last one is the one I thought Patty had her arm on a tree. I didn't notice that it was actually a marking on the tree until I blew them up. So, I'll have to concede that point. Nevertheless, my point remains. Only a Bigfoot could smoothly transverse this area. A man in a costume could not.

Here's one of the terrain:
 

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Here's one of the hundreds of logs that she would have to step over:
 

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Here's one where she appears to step over a log or rock:
 

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Here's Patty actually walking through the debris.
 

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Here the one that appered that she had her arm on a tree. In this zoomed in version, you can see it's just a pattern on a tree, not her arm.
 

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