Pentagon Attack Witnesses - dissecting their testimony and credibility

[boloboffin]

Could he have seen everything with the details he describes? Remember the plane was coming at him and then he had 3 fortunate seconds to catch that little plane crash into the building.

Yes.

Then he doesn't see the plane that flew away over the Pentagon as it the plane made impact? Th eplane that was chasing/shadowing it?

There was no plane that close to Flight 77. Keith Wheelhouse is the only person that says a plane was shadowing Flight 77 and he confirmed it was the C-130. That's from your own website.

He didn't see the jet hovering in the skies like his buddy Vin Narayanan?

Vin is talking about the C-130 as well. Steve didn't see it. A lot of people didn't see it.

Lyte, this can all be over.

 

[WildCat]

Could he have seen everything with the details he describes? Remember the plane was coming at him and then he had 3 fortunate seconds to catch that little plane crash into the building.

Then he doesn't see the plane that flew away over the Pentagon as it the plane made impact? Th eplane that was chasing/shadowing it?

He didn't see the jet hovering in the skies like his buddy Vin Narayanan?

Dream on d00d...

 

[Mince]

Then he doesn't see the plane that flew away over the Pentagon as it the plane made impact? Th eplane that was chasing/shadowing it?

No plane could have trailed flight 77 close enough to fool people into believing it was one aircraft. This, of course, is due to wake vortices. The wake vortices on a Boeing 757 are ridiculously strong when it's not screaming at 500+ MPH. There is no way any aircraft could have appreciably "shadowed" flight 77.

 

[Hal Bidlack]

Oh I am sorry, did I derail you guys?

Did I rattle you a bit when I reminded you what this is about?

How dare you? Your misguided rants have, and I hope will continue to be, tolerated in the name of free speech. But having been in that building on that terrible, terrible day, still experiencing the after shocks of what I had to see and do that day, how dare you have the audacity to suggest YOU know what this was all about? What it was about are the lost stories, the lives cut short, the pain felt then and now over the loss of those poor and precious people. I sincerely hope, sir, that you are a 15 year old kid, and do not really know how outrageous you are acting. How dare you? Shame is an emotion I suspect you are incapable of feeling, but one which would best suit your behavior.

 

[Mince]

Your misguided rants have, and I hope will continue to be, tolerated in the name of free speech.

I don't know. Lyte kind of sours me on this whole free speech thing.








**Just kidding. Kind of.

 

[pomeroo]

If merely deducing the impact is acceptable to you then you are simply dismissing the entire basis of our hypothesis.

Your agenda-driven fabrications do not rise to the level of a hypothesis. You are a complete fraud.

We are claiming that most people were fooled by a sleight of hand illusion and the rest were handled with a 2nd plane cover story.

Your claim is utter nonsense. There was no "sleight of hand illusion"; you have no idea of what you're talking about. There was no "2nd plane cover story."

FLight 77 crashed into the Pentagon. This FACT is incontrovertible. It is proved by the wreckage found at the crash site, by the accounts of eyewitnesses (your deceptive attempts to discredit them notwithstanding), and the remains of passengers identified by forensic examiners. Your misguided, disingenuous efforts to stand reality on its head have done nothing to shake the mountain of real evidence.

Unless you are willing to accept that as the alternate hypothesis that we are considering here to the official hypothesis then you are discussing the information of context.

In other words you are not citing evidence that disproves our hypothesis.

You have nothing resembling a "hypothesis." Your craven refusal to take your bogus "evidence" to a real news outlet demonstrates your insincerity.

 

[Lyte Trip]

Yes.



There was no plane that close to Flight 77. Keith Wheelhouse is the only person that says a plane was shadowing Flight 77 and he confirmed it was the C-130. That's from your own website.



Vin is talking about the C-130 as well. Steve didn't see it. A lot of people didn't see it.

Lyte, this can all be over.

Bolo,

It is over.

Vin said a jet.

Joel has it peeling up and off right at impact. When asked to specify seconds, he said 3-5 seconds. He would not identify the plane. Even when shown a picture of a C-130.

Kieth Wheelhouse has it shadowing all the way up to the wall. But he was one catalyst to calling it a "C-130" his and the other witness maintain a vague account of not knowing what kind of craft it was.

Kelly Knowles and Terry Scanlon, the writer, make the big to do about this second plane that was chasing a few seconds behind, that was over the Pentagon as the plane plunged into the Pentagon, as there was the explosion.

Terry Scanlon covered most of this mysterious "second plane", which eventually turns officially into the C-130. Knowles and Wheelhouse are even interviewed by the FBI. It is very official sounding.

Terry Scanlon covered that for the Daily Press. USA Today Editor and "witness" Fred Gaskins is/was an editor there as well. Six degrees...

 

[Kage]

I don't know. Lyte kind of sours me on this whole free speech thing.

Love the freedom, hate the speech.

 

[pomeroo]

Bolo,

It is over.

Vin said a jet.

Joel has it peeling up and off right at impact. When asked to specify seconds, he said 3-5 seconds. He would not identify the plane. Even when shown a picture of a C-130.

Kieth Wheelhouse has it shadowing all the way up to the wall. But he was one catalyst to calling it a "C-130" his and the other witness maintain a vague account of not knowing what kind of craft it was.

Kelly Knowles and Terry Scanlon, the writer, make the big to do about this second plane that was chasing a few seconds behind, that was over the Pentagon as the plane plunged into the Pentagon, as there was the explosion.

Terry Scanlon covered most of this mysterious "second plane", which eventually turns officially into the C-130. Knowles and Wheelhouse are even interviewed by the FBI. It is very official sounding.

Terry Scanlon covered that for the Daily Press. USA Today Editor and "witness" Fred Gaskins is/was an editor there as well. Six degrees...

Real people were on Flight 77 when the hijackers crashed it into the Pentagon. Their remains were identified. Your lies can't affect that reality.

Take your pathetic falsehoods to a real reporter. Let's see you break the biggest story in history.

 

[Mince]

Where's the fly-over in this video?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...28&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

 

[boloboffin]

Vin said a jet.

What he said was that he was "nearly oblivious to a second jet hovering in the skies." In other words, he wasn't paying much attention to it. He just barely knew it was there. He was looking at the C-130.

Joel has it peeling up and off right at impact. When asked to specify seconds, he said 3-5 seconds. He would not identify the plane. Even when shown a picture of a C-130.

"Off to the west, Sucherman saw another plane climb steeply and make a sharp turn."

Perhaps you missed that "off to the west" part. Again, this is the C-130. I don't see anything about a "peel off" anywhere.

Kieth Wheelhouse has it shadowing all the way up to the wall. But he was one catalyst to calling it a "C-130" his and the other witness maintain a vague account of not knowing what kind of craft it was.

Actually, Keith says that the C-130 banked off to the west when Flight 77 accelerated away. Sound familar?

You sound like you are questioning this account. Are you saying that Keith Wheelhouse is lying? Then why are you using his account to say that there were two planes?

State this without being coy: Do you dispute Keith Wheelhouse's testimony?

Kelly Knowles and Terry Scanlon, the writer, make the big to do about this second plane that was chasing a few seconds behind, that was over the Pentagon as the plane plunged into the Pentagon, as there was the explosion.

Terry Scanlon covered most of this mysterious "second plane", which eventually turns officially into the C-130. Knowles and Wheelhouse are even interviewed by the FBI. It is very official sounding.

More coy [rule8]. Do you dispute their accounts or not? If you do dispute them, why are you using them to support your account? If you do not, why are you being cute and coy about how "official sounding" their accounts are?

Just call them government shills if that's what you think they are. Stop playing stupid games.

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/linkscopy/C130sawF772P.html

Terry confirms what we have all known - Keith and Kelly saw Flight 77 hit the Pentacon, and also saw the C-130 fly away. They saw two planes. One flew away. One hit the Pentagon. How does this help your case in any way?

Terry Scanlon covered that for the Daily Press. USA Today Editor and "witness" Fred Gaskins is/was an editor there as well. Six degrees...

 

[Totovader]

Mr. Bidlack is a witness, Lyte- by what possible criteria do you exclude him?

Will you sink that low? Will you put your foot that far into your mouth?


Let's watch you try.

 

[Lyte Trip]

How dare you? Your misguided rants have, and I hope will continue to be, tolerated in the name of free speech. But having been in that building on that terrible, terrible day, still experiencing the after shocks of what I had to see and do that day, how dare you have the audacity to suggest YOU know what this was all about? What it was about are the lost stories, the lives cut short, the pain felt then and now over the loss of those poor and precious people. I sincerely hope, sir, that you are a 15 year old kid, and do not really know how outrageous you are acting. How dare you? Shame is an emotion I suspect you are incapable of feeling, but one which would best suit your behavior.

Hi Hal,

Good to hear from you again.

If you don't recall here is my response to the one other emotional post you gave me in the past:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2547485#post2547485

We have never claimed to know what this is all about and all that happened.

But I agree with you that this is MOST CERTAINLY about the lives that have been cut short from the precious people in the Pentagon, at the towers, and throughout the world since that horrible day.

As I stated before there are many other people who were in that building just like you who doubt the official story as much as we do.

This is a fact Hal and I know you know this.

We are talking with witnesses, first responders, and victims almost every day.

We have spoken with a Fire Captain who swears on his life that no plane could have hit that building.

We have been personally thanked and encouraged by a hero officer who helped people escape out of the alleged impact hole before the roof collapsed.

The accounts of Pentagon police officers Brooks and Lagasse are not flukes.

They did not simultaneously hallucinate the plane in the same place.

NOBODY directly contradicts them and their placement of the plane is confirmed by at least 3 civilians as well.

Have you bothered to view their testimony filmed on location?

You can watch it for free here.


You should talk to them yourself Hal.

Call them and see what they have to say about the plane on the north side.

They didn't know the implications of what they saw when we spoke with them but they know now and they're scared.

As they should be.

We aren't reporting these terrible facts out of "audacity" or personal gain.

We are risking our lives because we have to as concerned patriots.

We did not make up the north side claim.

It is not a theory.

It is proof that we have been living a lie.

 

[Totovader]

Ah, just as I suspected- Lyte completely dodges the issue with a lovely pirouette.

I give it a 3, though- mostly for being out of costume.

 

[Lyte Trip]

Mr. Bidlack is a witness, Lyte- by what possible criteria do you exclude him?

Toto,

You are incorrect.

Dr. Bidlack has never claimed to be a witness to the plane.

 

[Totovader]

Toto,

You are incorrect.

Dr. Bidlack has never claimed to be a witness to the plane.

Strawman. This is not an answer to the question, Lyte. Please do not dodge the question.

 

[Lyte Trip]

Strawman. This is not an answer to the question, Lyte. Please do not dodge the question.

What?

Are you suggesting he was a witness to the plane?

Please quote where he has ever said such a thing because I was not aware of this as being a claim that he makes.

Don't play dumb like this thread wasn't in regards to witnesses to the plane/alleged impact.

 

[Totovader]

What?

Are you suggesting he was a witness to the plane?

Please quote where he has ever said such a thing because I was not aware of this as being a claim that he makes.

Don't play dumb like this thread wasn't in regards to witnesses to the plane/alleged impact.

This, again is not an answer to the question, Lyte.

Perhaps you missed it- or perhaps your bias just absolutely will not allow you to answer, but I'll give it one more shot:

Mr. Bidlack is a witness, by what possible reason do you exclude his testimony?

Your failure to answer leads me to conclude that you have no reason to exclude his account. Is this correct?

 

[Lyte Trip]

This, again is not an answer to the question, Lyte.

Perhaps you missed it- or perhaps your bias just absolutely will not allow you to answer, but I'll give it one more shot:

Mr. Bidlack is a witness, by what possible reason do you exclude his testimony?

Your failure to answer leads me to conclude that you have no reason to exclude his account. Is this correct?

As much as I don't like you I do not believe you are this dumb.

Dr. Bidlack is not a witness to the plane.

He can not refute the north side claim or speak as to the alleged impact because he did not see it so therefore he is NOT a witness of the "attack".

He is a witness to the rescue but that has nothing to do with this thread.

You are being disingenuous and it's tiresome.

 

[Mince]

I'm done. I don't think I shall enter another Lyte thread again. He has beaten me to exhaustion with his stupid stick. I would call his mentality and intellect child-like, but I don't want to offend any children. I grow weary of it. You guys keep up the good fight. I greatly respect your tolerance and fortitude. It's time to move on to a salvageable soul.

Good day.