Time to kick Iran

[Pardalis]

Because I don't feel that I have anything to gain by doing so.

There's really nothing much to the video, a young journalist goes to Tehran, shows pretty much everything that is expected from a modern metropolitan city. The interesting part starts near the end where there's a pro Hizbollah/anti Israel protest (of course sanctioned by the government).

No news there.

 

[Oliver]

There's really nothing much to the video, a young journalist goes to Tehran, shows pretty much everything that is expected from a modern metropolitan city. The interesting part starts near the end where there's a pro Hizbollah/anti Israel protest (of course sanctioned by the government).

No news there.

So you saw it. Then I guess you also know what the explanation for this demonstration was in the Docu, don't you?

 

[jsiv]

So you saw it. Then I guess you also know what the explanation for this demonstration was in the Docu, don't you?

What was it?

 

[Pardalis]

So you saw it. Then I guess you also know what the explanation for this demonstration was in the Docu, don't you?

And you probably saw right after the reporter interview the editor of the magazine who described how hard it was to criticize the gorvernment, how he was forced to move his office, and the woman filmmaker who was forced to censor her film in order for it to be shown in Iranian theatres. Did you get the part where the narrator says that she is now working in the US? It's all in your movie Oliver.

I don't think we are looking at the same movie Oliver... I think you need to watch it again.

 

[Oliver]

Let's go back to you trying to explain my positions to me: are you going to try and go there again?

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Your position is opposed to ION's position. I have no Idea why that is - explain it to me.

When you equate Israeli politics with Jewish politics, it makes you look like an idiot. Not all Israelis are Jews, not all Jews are Israelis, and plenty of Jews don't like Israeli policies. Your own bias is showing when you confuse the difference.

That's because he's a hateful imbecilic worm. Opposing Ion hardly requires anything more than a bit of common sense. You'll even see people who seem to disagree with me on most political issues (Schneibster comes to mind) smacking that fool around, because they can recognize him for the vile trash he is. But you seem to be having a particularly hard time recognizing these qualities in him. Or is it that you do recognize his antisemitism, but don't actually consider it vile?

I don't know what you mean by this. You might want to try rephrasing your point here.

And what, pray tell, is a "neutral" stance in regard to Ion's flagrant antisemitism? And why is taking a "neutral" stance somehow preferable to confronting his bigotry directly? Ion's hatred goes well beyond Israel itself, in case you hadn't noticed.

Maybe he likes the same flavor of icecream I do. But I have no particular desire to go searching for a point of disagreement with such a worthless person.

I apologize for mixing "Jewish politics" with "Israeli politics" - because I know that the Term "Jewish Politics" makes no sense anyway.

Even if I'm opposed to intolerance in general - and that, of course, includes every kind of intolerance, I also have no problem to try to understand the "Intolerant One's" point of view to come to an own conclusion.

You think that's wrong?

I'd suggest you find a picture of an Iranian woman and look at what she is wearing.

What do you mean? I don't know more about it than everyone else here. I don't speak Farsi or Arabic either, so I cannot give you the exact wording. Why don't you do a little investimagating and see if you can find it yourself.

Because I don't feel that I have anything to gain by doing so.

A picture of an Iranian Women? Well, here you go - straight from the Documentary:

Your point is what ... exactly?



And no, you made the claim that Women get killed because their Clothes violates Laws - just because you heard this argument in some dubious places. You have to back up this claim.

I'll make sure to tell the next young Iranian hanged for his political dissent, or perhaps the next girl beaten by the moral police for violating the legally mandated dress code.

 

[Oliver]

And you probably saw right after the reporter interview the editor of the magazine who described how hard it was to criticize the gorvernment, how he was forced to move his office, and the woman filmmaker who was forced to censor her film in order for it to be shown in Iranian theatres. Did you get the part where the narrator says that she is now working in the US? It's all in your movie Oliver.

I don't think we are looking at the same movie Oliver... I think you need to watch it again.

I saw the Movie, Goury - and I'm aware of censorship in this country. But if you watched all of it, you may also think that their society is much more modern than you could have imagined before - plus their society is changing.

So what's your argument to interfere violently? The "Canadian-Terror-Invasion-Phobia"?

 

[jsiv]

A picture of an Iranian Women? Well, here you go - straight from the Documentary:

Your point is what ... exactly?

My point is that that does not belong in what you called a "modern civilization," but rather in a backwards and opressive theocracy devoid of basic rights that we take for granted.

And no, you made the claim that Women get killed because their Clothes violates Laws - just because you heard this argument in some dubious places. You have to back up this claim.

I said no such thing.

 

[Pardalis]

I saw the Movie, Goury - and I'm aware of censorship in this country.

So do you think their censorship is worst or better than in the US?

When did an American editor was forced to move his office? Do editors in America have to show their articles to the cultural minister before they print them?

But if you watched all of it, you may also think that their society is much more modern than you could have imagined before

Actually, I knew Tehran was a modern city, I have a co-worker who went there and showed me pictures.

- plus their society is changing.

So is America.

So what's your argument to interfere violently?

When did I say that?

 

[jsiv]

But if you watched all of it, you may also think that their society is much more modern than you could have imagined before

Honestly, Oliver. How on earth can you know what any of us knew about Iran (or Tehran) before you came along to edjicate us? It seems like you are the one who thought it was a barren desert.

- plus their society is changing.

It certainly is, in the wrong direction.

 

[Oliver]

So do you think their censorship is worst or better than in the US?

When did an American editor was forced to move his office? Do editors in America have to show their articles to the cultural minister before they print them?

Actually, I knew Tehran was a modern city, I have a co-worker who went there and showed me pictures.

So is America.

When did I say that?

Ahmadinejad isn't a war-president yet, Pardalis.

And let's keep him that way.

Bolding mine. So what did you meant ... exactly?

 

[Pardalis]

Political pressure.

Invasion or bombing them would be the worst idea.

 

[Oliver]

Honestly, Oliver. How on earth can you know what any of us knew about Iran (or Tehran) before you came along to edjicate us? It seems like you are the one who thought it was a barren desert.

It certainly is, in the wrong direction.

What's the wrong direction if they modernizing their whole Society since the "independence from the US"? You think they are heading to a too modern state?

 

[Pardalis]

Could you answer my questions now Oliver?

So do you think their censorship is worst or better than in the US?

When did an American editor was forced to move his office? Do editors in America have to show their articles to the cultural minister before they print them?

 

[Pardalis]

Oliver, would you like the moderators to fuse your threads together so you won't get confused?

 

[Oliver]

Political pressure.

Invasion or bombing them would be the worst idea.

Political pressure for what reasons? Because they want their own nuclear power as a major step into a modern world just like, uhm...let's say Canada, too?

 

[jsiv]

What's the wrong direction if they modernizing their whole Society since the "independence from the US"? You think they are heading to a too modern state?

It takes a special kind of person to consider the move to a stricter islamic society "modernization."

One does not modernize a society by taking away people's rights, Oliver. No amount of technological advancement is going to change that.

But I guess everything is fine and dandy as long as the buildings look modern and the streets are clean.

 

[Oliver]

Could you answer my questions now Oliver?

So do you think their censorship is worst or better than in the US?

When did an American editor was forced to move his office? Do editors in America have to show their articles to the cultural minister before they print them?

Personally I think that censorship in Iran is -from obvious point of view- bigger that the US.

However: If you see the analogy between censorship and propaganda, I guess it is at least as dangerous as in the US - even if it is more subtle in America which makes it harder to detect for the average person.

And concerning approval: How many US media outlets had the guts to revolt against the Governments Point of View concerning Saddam, eh? You see, it's pretty complicated and it's also hard to differ between legal censorship and moral censorship.

And I know you don't understand. Read again.

 

[Pardalis]

Political pressure for what reasons? Because they want their own nuclear power as a major step into a modern world just like, uhm...let's say Canada, too?

Political pressure against their terrorist activities (Hizbollah and Iraq) and their clear anti Islrael policy (notice it's singular).

Please follow the conversation.

 

[Oliver]

It takes a special kind of person to consider the move to a stricter islamic society "modernization."

One does not modernize a society by taking away people's rights, Oliver. No amount of technological advancement is going to change that.

But I guess everything is fine and dandy as long as the buildings look modern and the streets are clean.

Uhm, the streets didn't look clean and the buildings didn't look modern in this documentary. It's the people and their opinion which did.

So why are you arguing about something you didn't saw yet? Stupid, isn't it?

 

[Pardalis]

Personally I think that censorship in Iran is -from obvious point of view- bigger that the US.

So why aren't you calling them a dictatorship, since it's one of your arguments.

(now I am not calling Iran a dictatorship myself.)

However: If you see the analogy between censorship and propaganda, I guess it is at least as dangerous as in the US - even if it is more subtle in America which makes it harder to detect for the average person.

So propaganda is more dangerous in the US because it's in the US.

Why the double standard?

The Iranian government sponsor anti Israel and pro Hizbollah rallies, what more obvious propaganda do you want?

And concerning approval: How many US media outlets had the guts to revolt against the Governments Point of View concerning Saddam, eh?

Actually the criticism of the war is overwhelming in the media.

You see, it's pretty complicated and it's also hard to differ between legal censorship and moral censorship.

Are you saying that the censorship in Iran is legal and in the US it is not?

You protest because we can't say **** in the US media and you think forcing a person to edit her film in Iran is perfectly legitimate and understandable?