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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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Best Evidence:Bigfoot just aired again with the fellow duplicating Patty's gait in a bulky padded costume, to Meldrum's surprise.

Now we need to get someone to do that at the site of PGF and film it like Roger did.
 
Yes, Luminous. We see the pads and the pad movement and the head piece. What about them?

How have you determined that they are not padding and a mask?

Pads will move with the wearer as well.
 
Luminous,


I realize the following statement was not directed at me but it kind of relates to some perplexing questions that I have had for quite some time. Odds are I will kind of change the subject on you, but that's just kind of how I am. Of course I'm just a nobody so these questions may not be perplexing to others.


"My answer to your question is the same for North America. I believe we're dealing with an endangered species. One that is quite possibly on the brink of maintaining a breeding population. Though I have hopes that evidence may be forthcoming (hopefully within the next ten years), There's also a strong possibility that they go extinct without us ever knowing they were here."


So are you saying, that at one time in the not so distant past (3-500 years???) there were maybe 20-40,000 of these creatures walking around N. America, and, that it has been whitemans encroachment upon their land that has expedited their demise? If this is true then would not the Native American stories/legends be more along the lines of a living breathing creature than that of a creature that seems to be more spiritual/mythical in nature? For instance the bear, eagle etc., have always been revered as sacred, strong, respected, and in some cases feared, but, their body parts have always been used in warrior adornments, jewelry, head dresses etc. to show the warriors strength, ability, power, wisdom etc. Why no squatch adornments? In some Native American cultures I believe the bear was even revered as a god, but they still killed it.


Generally speaking animals were the intermediaries between the real world and the supernatural world. There are many, many legends of animals in Native American culture that are fairly mythical in yet we know that the animal existed simply because parts of that animal were used in everyday life, food, clothing, adornments etc. Why no squatch?


Most of my knowledge in regards to Native Americans is curtailed to the west coast, particularly Wa. State so I will use the Makah as an example for this question. Many suggest that the reason no one (with the opportunity) has killed a squatch is because they look too human. My knowledge of the Makah tells me that they would not have had a problem with this. It's well known that the Makah not only scalped members of neighboring tribes but also on occasion would cut their heads off and put it them on stakes in front of their lodge, if you look at the first photo I posted that is a head dress of scalps. They did this for pretty much the same reasons I stated above, to show the warriors strength, ability, power, success etc. Why no squatch head/scalps? One would think that 500 years ago with such a large population of squatch they would have crossed paths quite frequently.


Imagine if you would the implications or the mojo of the warrior who wears a necklace of squatch teeth and the head dress of its scalps. It seems fairly reasonable IMO that if a warrior had the opportunity to kill a sasquatch, he would have. At the very least one would think that stories of these attempts would have been passed down from generation to generation. Most Native stories (that I am familiar with) in regards to this creature have to do with the Shaman and good vs.evil a slightly more mythical slant as compared to real world reality.


Anyone?


BTW here's a pic when its legs are not quite so bent and back not quite so slouched over. Try to find one where it is standing completly upright so we can see the arms true length. Good luck with that one.


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Look at the unnatural length of the arms and the gorilla shaped head.

Most of all, look at the bended knee walk. Try imitating Patty's walk some time. You'll quickly discover that your legs are giving out on you. And BH walked like this the whole film? Not likely. Especially when Patty walks through the debris in that same posture. A human in a suit would have stumbled and fallen more than once. This creature is sure footed, even while walking in that inhuman posture.
 

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Look at the field of debris. A man in a suit could have never navigated this, especially while preforming that bended-knee walk.
 

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Look at the sheer bulk of Patty's legs. No one with a suit that cumbersome could lift his legs over logs and boulders, let alone sustain a long bended-knee walk.
 

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Someone here complained about the camera not showing Patty leaving any tracks... Guess what I found...
 

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You mean the whole ~ 60 seconds ?:jaw-dropp

( About half of which the subject isn't visible or discernable )

Why do you skip acknowledging the points I have made? Could it be.... you don't know how to respond to them?
 
"Someone here complained about the camera not showing Patty leaving any tracks... Guess what I found..."


Now if you actually had a photo or film clip with recognizable matching landmarks for verification while they made the casts you may begin to have something.


In this one the right leg seems fairly extended but the subject is still bent over. My hand pretty much reaches the bottom of my ass in that position without extentions.

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Why do you skip acknowledging the points I have made? Could it be.... you don't know how to respond to them?

I did acknowledge one of the points you made ..

You were suggesting how hard it would be for BH to walk that way the whole film ... The whole film is 60 seconds long. Patty may be visible for 30 of those .. We see maybe 1/2 a dozen strides where the deep knee bend is evident..


BH walks that way all the time. That point has been made here numerous times.

Patty is not stepping over logs, boulders and debris. She is walking down a sandy stream bed.

We do not see her step over anything ..

Gorilla masks are shaped like gorilla heads ..

There is nothing that can be shown to be a track in the film .

Those pictures are all fuzzy and don't rule out anything..

I have pointed out problems with your muscle groups since you first arrived.
Well documented problems; and your only response is that Patty must be different from documented anatomy .. I pointed out that evolution doesn't work that way .. You have yet to respond ..
 
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Will you guys stop messing with Luminous' Holy Grail? Cant you see that it's a genuine Bigfoot in all it's hairy glory? Cant you see the well defined muscles, the tracks, the preternatural ability to walk through woods that a man in a suit simply couldn't pull off! Just because the images are small and grainy and there's absolutely no evidence for the creature doesn't stop us seeing what we want to see! Now agree with Luminous or else...
 
You were suggesting how hard it would be for BH to walk that way the whole film ... The whole film is 60 seconds long. Patty may be visible for 30 of those .. We see maybe 1/2 a dozen strides where the deep knee bend is evident..

That's because her legs were obscured at some points.

BH walks that way all the time. That point has been made here numerous times.

No human walks like this. I've seen the BH gifs. He does not walk with a knee bend that even remotely equals Patty.

Patty is not stepping over logs, boulders and debris. She is walking down a sandy stream bed.

The footage clearly shows debris at some points. With her deep bended knee walk, she can smoothly glide right over the obvious debris. BH in a thick cumbersome suit would have fallen or stumbled repeatedly.

We do not see her step over anything ..

See above. I also have stills of Patty putting her hand on a log as she navigates over and around the debris.

Gorilla masks are shaped like gorilla heads ..

Not if a helmet is inside as was supposed to be the case.

There is nothing that can be shown to be a track in the film .

Actually, there are a couple captures that show the ground. Disturbances are visible. It is a possibility that they are tracks.

Those pictures are all fuzzy and don't rule out anything..

Of course there is some fuzziness. High def technology had not been invented yet. ;)

I have pointed out problems with your muscle groups since you first arrived. Well documented problems; and your only response is that Patty must be different from documented anatomy

The "well documented" problems are found where? And who documented them?

.. I pointed out that evolution doesn't work that way .. You have yet to respond ..

Evolution doesn't work what way? What are you talking about? I must have missed one of your posts, because I don't remember you ever bringing up evolution at all...
 
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Will you guys stop messing with Luminous' Holy Grail? Cant you see that it's a genuine Bigfoot in all it's hairy glory? Cant you see the well defined muscles, the tracks, the preternatural ability to walk through woods that a man in a suit simply couldn't pull off! Just because the images are small and grainy and there's absolutely no evidence for the creature doesn't stop us seeing what we want to see! Now agree with Luminous or else...

Sure, I believe Patty is a genuine Bigfoot. It has well defined muscle groups that can be seen in front and behind. And it definitely made some tracks. That we have seen.

No one in a thick foam and cloth suit, trying to see through a mask, could navigate through some of the debris covered areas without stumbling or falling.

Now add to that the knee bend walk and and you've got yourself some real problems.

The stills captured contain enough detail for anyone to clearly see the truth of what I'm saying.

Yes, it would be nice if other's could agree with what I see, especially here, But I'm not holding my breath on that one!

Yes, agree with me or else you'll find yourself among the mocking skeptics who are right 100% of the time. :boggled:
 
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No debris? Hmmmm.
 

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Do you still think there was no debris?
 

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Is this why some people insist there are no fingers?
 

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