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Pentagon Attack Witnesses - dissecting their testimony and credibility

T.A.M.

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This thread is for Lyte, and anyone else, who would like to make comment on why or why not a given Pentagon attack witness is or isn't credible, and please provide proof or evidence, not just "I don't buy his testimony" or "he worked for such and such, or was a such and such" opinion does not cut it...bring the facts.

I'll start you off with the first one, Steve Anderson:

Here is his testimony:

I witnessed the jet hit the Pentagon on September 11. From my office on the 19th floor of the USA TODAY building in Arlington, Va., I have a view of Arlington Cemetery, Crystal City, the Pentagon, National Airport and the Potomac River. ... Shortly after watching the second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building, which, being so close to the airport is very common. But I thought the airport was closed. I figured it was a plane coming in for landing. A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye. It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke.
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His entire comment is found here...

http://www.jmu.edu/alumni/tragedy_response/read_messages.html

TAM:)
 
<Lyte>I'm going to have to vote NOT CREDIBLE since he did not specifically place the route of the plane in relation to the Citgo station. As we all know, only witnesses who say whether the plane is north or south of the Citgo are credible, and the latter are liars as well.</Lyte>
 
Don't forget to check their voter registration as well. Anyone with an "R" is automatically rejected.

As well as most people with an "I" or a "D", too.
 
Totovader said:
Due to the fact that his statements are precise, supported by the physical evidence, flight path damage, FDR information, DNA, plane parts, body parts, etc- my vote is: CREDIBLE.
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Really? You derived all that from his account?

Really? So the plane passing by his building in Rosslyn fits the FDR information?

You have no idea what you are talking about and are showing your bias plainly without even analyzing the information properly.

I will wait until the mods post my posts so we can continue the thread I started.
 
Lyte Trip said:
You have no idea what you are talking about and are showing your bias plainly without even analyzing the information properly.
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But, we counter with the fact that WE don't think YOU have any idea what you are talking about and are showing your bias plainly without even analyzing the information properly.

In other words, those who think they are the ones who have analyzed the information properly think you are totally wrong. To us, you are the biased one.

So, exactly how are we to determine who is the one who has really 'analyzed the information'? Who gets to decide that?
 
Mary Ann Owens

i believe the story related by the witness below. i have no reason to believe otherwise. along with the dozens of other witnesses stories i've read.


Full account HERE
THE sound of sudden and certain death roared in my ears as I sat lodged in gridlock on Washington Boulevard, next to the Pentagon on September 11.
Up to that moment I had only experienced shock by the news coming from New York City and frustration with the worse-than-normal traffic snarl ... but it wasn't until I heard the demon screaming of that engine that I expected to die.
Between the Pentagon's helicopter pad, which sits next to the road, and Reagan Washington National Airport a couple of miles south, aviation noise is common along my commute to the silver office towers in Rosslyn where Gannett Co Inc. were housed last autumn.
But this engine noise was different. It was too sudden, too loud, too encompassing.
Looking up didn't tell me what type of plane it was because it was so close I could only see the bottom. Realising the Pentagon was its target, I didn't think the careering, full-throttled craft would get that far. Its downward angle was too sharp, its elevation of maybe 50 feet, too low. Street lights toppled as the plane barely cleared the Interstate 395 overpass.
The thought that I was about to die was immediate and certain. This plane was going to hit me along with all the other commuters trapped on Washington Boulevard.
Gripping the steering wheel of my vibrating car, I involuntarily ducked as the wobbling plane thundered over my head. Once it passed, I raised slightly and grimaced as the left wing dipped and scraped the helicopter area just before the nose crashed into the southwest wall of the Pentagon.
Still gripping the wheel, I could feel both the car and my heart jolt at the moment of impact. An instant inferno blazed about 125 yards from me. The plane, the wall and the victims disappeared under coal-black smoke, three-storey tall flames and intense heat. I had just witnessed the mass murder of hundreds of people, maybe more
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Lyte Trip said:
Really? You derived all that from his account?

Really? So the plane passing by his building in Rosslyn fits the FDR information?

You have no idea what you are talking about and are showing your bias plainly without even analyzing the information properly.

I will wait until the mods post my posts so we can continue the thread I started.
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Actually it does match everything. Darn you must try harder to make up more junk and lies. You have fabricated new false information and on the record testimony by your own witnesses in 2001 proves you have fabricated stories to match some demented flight path you made up which a plane can not even fly based on witnesses and facts about flight 77.

How you can actually make up lies about something and present false information to make money and talk to idiots who are too challenged to understand 9/11 at your "truther" conventions of woo?
 
Lyte Trip said:
Really? You derived all that from his account?

Really? So the plane passing by his building in Rosslyn fits the FDR information?

You have no idea what you are talking about and are showing your bias plainly without even analyzing the information properly.

I will wait until the mods post my posts so we can continue the thread I started.
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This response does not address any of the points raised. It does not offer any evidence to the contrary, and gives no valid reason to exclude or otherwise modify or amend the testimony given by this eyewitness.

The thing you obviously cannot grasp (and refuse to do so because it would utterly destroy your silly theory) is that you cannot just dismiss this information because you don't like it. It corroborates the flight path damage, the wreckage, and the FACTS. Because of that- you want to ignore it by making stupid personal attacks or arguments from incredulity- but it won't work.

That- quite obviously- is your bias. You're motivated by political and personal goals, not by any search for the truth.
 
twinstead said:
But, we counter with the fact that WE don't think YOU have any idea what you are talking about and are showing your bias plainly without even analyzing the information properly.

In other words, those who think they are the ones who have analyzed the information properly think you are totally wrong. To us, you are the biased one.

So, exactly how are we to determine who is the one who has really 'analyzed the information'? Who gets to decide that?
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Oh I know! I know!

*raises hand*

The witnesses who's account most closely match the available evidence- the witnesses who most closely match reality. Excluding certain witnesses on an arbitrary basis (or because the story they present does match reality) is not acceptable and indicates a strong bias.

So... therefore Lyte is horribly wrong- and his bias has severely influenced his "research".

Ah, case solved. Let's get a beer.
 
Lyte Trip punted.

T.A.M. said:
This thread is for Lyte, and anyone else, who would like to make comment on why or why not a given Pentagon attack witness is or isn't credible, ...
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The first order of business is to confirm what eyewitnesses actually said. We now have Lyte Trip on record of having no idea what hundreds of eyewitnesses actually saw.
 
The issue with the plane flying by his office is a point raised before. As I have said in the past, it was based on his "hearing" the jet. That tells him, and us nothing as to the trajectory, or the distance from his office.

Has given an interview elsewhere that tells you anything more than that? If not, his "hearing" the jet pass by, really supports neither trajectory, nor does it effect his credibility as a witness.

Shall we move on to the second witness, and call this one a bonifide witness to the plane hitting the pentagon?

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
Shall we move on to the second witness, and call this one a bonifide witness to the plane hitting the pentagon?

TAM:)
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Tripper presented no valid rebuttal to the first witness, but certainly was not happy about the facts.

I say we move on to the next one as to keep this thing moving along. If he has any evidence contradicting the eyewitness testimony, he will have to present it as they come up- instead of just whining about them and trying to attack individuals in this thread.

So, let's move on.
 
Lyte Trip said:
Really? You derived all that from his account?

Really? So the plane passing by his building in Rosslyn fits the FDR information?

You have no idea what you are talking about and are showing your bias plainly without even analyzing the information properly.

I will wait until the mods post my posts so we can continue the thread I started.
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You are showing your bias by assuming that by "I heard jet engines pass our building, which, being so close to the airport is very common. " he was stating that the plane was on a path that could not possibly have matched the aircraft that hit the Pentagon.

You do exactly the same thing with the witness you interviewed, Robert. He states that he did not see the impact. Instead all he saw was the fireball and you stretch that senario into one in which the fireball occurs BEFORE the plane reachs the Pentagon but that Robert did not find that unusual in the least and believes that he did not see the impact because his view was blocked by this fireball.

You are therefore proven not be above stretching eyewitness testimony to the breaking point as long as it will fit your predetermined notion of what happened on 9/11/01.

That you refuse to acknowledge this utterly obvious bias means that you are a liar along the lines of those who stretched the intel concerning Iraq's intentions and capabilities.
 
ok, Witness #2: Deb Anlauf

Mrs. Deb Anlauf, resident of Colfax, Wisconsin, was in her 14th floor of the Sheraton Hotel [located 1.6 mile from the explosion], (immediately west of the Navy Annex) when she heard a "loud roar":

"Suddenly I saw this plane right outside my window. You felt like you could touch it; it was that close. It was just incredible. Then it shot straight across from where we are and flew right into the Pentagon. It was just this huge fireball that crashed into the wall (of the Pentagon). When it hit, the whole hotel shook. (…) "
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Full article no longer available, but was from:

http://www.leadertelegram.com/

TAM:)
 
Lyte Trip said:
Really? You derived all that from his account?
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In your video, none of your four witnesses:

1) Claimed flight 77 flew over the Pentagon (in fact, at least two claimed they believed flight 77 hit the Pentagon)

2) Made any statement about planted light poles or plane parts

3) Made any statement regarding a secondary aircraft



The witnesses were your substantive proof (snicker) that flight 77 flew over and not into the Pentagon.

You derived all that from their accounts?
 
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The Lyte Trip Code:

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