Artificial Life By Intelligent Design!

(Inhales slowly, takes the plunge)

"Hi. Long-time listener, first-time caller."

I haven't read the OP yet, but you cannot get a BA in biology.

OK, I'll bite. Why not?

Edit to add: Oh, never mind. I saw Gary's and Taffer's followups. I was just wondering because I have a BA in physics.
 
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Taffer said:
I'm not sure why you would think that. My atheism is, in part, due to a lack of need for a god to explain things. It's just the same in this case.

And the reason I used that as an example is because we understand evolution very well, and abiogenesis poorly. And because they are different processes, they can have different explanations. That was really my point.
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I can't help but think an IDer will insist that if you're trying to stick to a mechanistic explanation of the universe, abiogenesis and evolution walk hand-in-hand.

I understand the scientific answer of "I don't know." I also understand conjecture. That still leaves a gaping hole into which they can dump a lot of garbage.

Slimething said:
Yes and no. You'll find that defining "God" is as challenging as defining "life".
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Not for them. Each person you argue with will be working with some kind of assumption about what they think "life" is, and what they think "God" is(although they may not have thought it through).
Well, an IDer might try the dodge of 'aliens,' but it doesn't matter.
 
sts60 said:
(Inhales slowly, takes the plunge)

"Hi. Long-time listener, first-time caller."

I haven't read the OP yet, but you cannot get a BA in biology.

OK, I'll bite. Why not?

Edit to add: Oh, never mind. I saw Gary's and Taffer's followups. I was just wondering because I have a BA in physics.
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Yep, just me being wrong. :o

And welcome to the forums!
 
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Jimbo07 said:
I can't help but think an IDer will insist that if you're trying to stick to a mechanistic explanation of the universe, abiogenesis and evolution walk hand-in-hand.

I understand the scientific answer of "I don't know." I also understand conjecture. That still leaves a gaping hole into which they can dump a lot of garbage.
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I don't see why they need to walk hand-in-hand. Like I've been saying, they are seperate processes. We know little about the process of abiogenesis. We know a lot about evolution.

Although I guess I see your point. All rather moot, anyway, mate. It's not like he's coming back to argue the point. :D
 
Jimbo07 said:
Not in a mechanistic universe... this was my complaint. It's equated for IDers, because they're really arguing against atheists, not scientists.

A hole for God at the start of life? Boom! Your atheistic stance is gonna fall like a house of cards...
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Not a hole a possibility, it is much more likely that abiogenesis occured without any sort of divine intervention. But there is a possibility, without any evidence, that Thoth and Isis got together and made life. Very unlikely though it may be.

Posible is not the same as plausible.
 
sts60 said:
(Inhales slowly, takes the plunge)

"Hi. Long-time listener, first-time caller."

I haven't read the OP yet, but you cannot get a BA in biology.

OK, I'll bite. Why not?

Edit to add: Oh, never mind. I saw Gary's and Taffer's followups. I was just wondering because I have a BA in physics.
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Welcome.
 
Wowbagger said:
Thanks, Jimbo, for helping everyone clarify a couple of issues.

I know the whole "separate processes" statement was not meant to be a cop-out. But, to an ID advocate, it might look that way.
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Fair point. I usually follow up with qualifiers if the need arises. But yeah, fair point. :)
 
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