Over Unity is No Longer Disputable

g4macdad said:
What is the energy source in Finsrud's machine?
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There's an argument for the existence of god that follows that same line of logic. So, we should all accept this pendulum device as some sort of magic trick, and if we cannot divine the secret, then it must be real magic?
 
jsfisher said:
There's an argument for the existence of god that follows that same line of logic. So, we should all accept this pendulum device as some sort of magic trick, and if we cannot divine the secret, then it must be real magic?
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What pendulum system is at work? You make a pendulum claim with no evidence. I see a double standard here.

The inventor makes a claim. You refute it. He has given evidence, you have not.
 
g4macdad said:
You never replied to my last comment.
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I thought I'd save you the embarrassment, but since you insist:
g4macdad said:
Rational person? Clocks run on springs, and are not claimed to be OU. What is the energy source in Finsrud's machine?

C'mon rational person.:rolleyes:
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There are clocks that run on springs. There are clocks that run on weights. There are clocks that run by other mechanisms.

What do clocks have to do with the subject? Why should Finsrud's machine have an energy source? As the commenter at Google Video pointed out, carefully balanced pendulum systems can run for a very long time, and all we have is a short video.

So, now:

What claim has the inventor made, and what evidence has he provided to support this claim?
 
PixyMisa said:
I thought I'd save you the embarrassment, but since you insist:

There are clocks that run on springs. There are clocks that run on weights. There are clocks that run by other mechanisms.

What do clocks have to do with the subject? Why should Finsrud's machine have an energy source? As the commenter at Google Video pointed out, carefully balanced pendulum systems can run for a very long time, and all we have is a short video.

So, now:

What claim has the inventor made, and what evidence has he provided to support this claim?
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If Finsrud's machine has no energy source then it breaks the fist law of thermodynamics!

This is kinda, just a teensy bit relevant here. LOL

The question stands.
 
g4macdad said:
If Finsrud's machine has no energy source then it breaks the fist law of thermodynamics!

This is kinda, just a teensy bit relevant here. LOL

The question stands.
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Nonsense. He starts it up. It runs - for an unspecified period of time. Hardly the only such device. To be carefully pedantic, the energy source is the mechanical energy of setting the machine in motion initially. The ball remains in your court.
 
PixyMisa said:
Nonsense. He starts it up. It runs - for an unspecified period of time. Hardly the only such device. The ball remains in your court.
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Where is this other such device? Steorn will give you big bucks for it I am sure.
 
Any pendulum will do this. Any heavy wheel with low-friction bearings will do this too, but that's more expensive to build. Pendulums are easiest, and this is a pendulum device.

Third time:

What claim has the inventor made, and what evidence has he provided to support this claim?
 
PixyMisa said:
Any pendulum will do this. Any heavy wheel with low-friction bearings will do this too, but that's more expensive to build. Pendulums are easiest, and this is a pendulum device.

Third time:

What claim has the inventor made, and what evidence has he provided to support this claim?
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You pretend to know what you are talking about. Are you a scientist?

You must be specific about your energy source. This is precisely the issue at hand. What pendulum system runs this long, specifically? Give us examples.

Why should we take your word?

Claims without proof. Hmmm....
 
Oh, come on JREF forum members, let's abandon this type of crap discussion thread; certainly we're above this.

No more free ride! Let's ignore idiot postings and stick to intelligent discussions of critical thinking. That's why we're here, that's why we joined. Not to debate morons.
 
TTLer said:
Oh, come on JREF forum members, let's abandon this type of crap discussion thread; certainly we're above this.

No more free ride! Let's ignore idiot postings and stick to intelligent discussions of critical thinking. That's why we're here, that's why we joined. Not to debate morons.
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Hello again.

Is that your only comment?

Why not start a thread on the subject you do wish to discuss?
 
g4macdad said:
You pretend to know what you are talking about.
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"Pretend"? This is hardly complex stuff.

Are you a scientist?
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I have no formal qualifications - in anything.

You must be specific about your energy source. This is precisely the issue at hand. What pendulum system runs this long, specifically? Give us examples.
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Foucault pendulums - which demonstrate the rotation of the Earth - are a good example. Here's a list of some of those. Some may be magnetically boosted, because they eventually run down due to air resistance; others are merely restarted - at periods far exceeding 40 minutes.

Fourth time:

What claim has the inventor made, and what evidence has he provided to support this claim?

Why should we take your word?
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You shouldn't. You should pick up a physics text book or visit a decent museum and learn something.
 
PixyMisa said:
"Pretend"? This is hardly complex stuff.


I have no formal qualifications - in anything.


Foucault pendulums - which demonstrate the rotation of the Earth - are a good example. Here's a list of some of those. Some may be magnetically boosted, because they eventually run down due to air resistance; others are merely restarted - at periods far exceeding 40 minutes.

Fourth time:

What claim has the inventor made, and what evidence has he provided to support this claim?


You shouldn't. You should pick up a physics text book or visit a decent museum and learn something.
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There is clearly no foucault pendulum present in this video.

This should have been clear to anyone in the first minute of the video. You might want to think a little harder before you post to avoid embarrassment.

Now can someone with some real knowledge give an energy source?
 
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g4macdad said:
There is clearly no foucault pendulum present in this video.
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And it is just as clearly a pendulum. A Foucault pendulum is just a pendulum set up to demonstrate the rotation of the Earth. It is the same as any other pendulum.

This should have been clear to anyone in the first minute of the video.
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It is clear from the first minute of the video that this is a pendulum device.

You might want to think a little harder before you post to avoid embarassment.
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Words to live by.

Now can someone with some real knowledge give an energy source?
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At some point, it was set in motion. We are not shown this. Why do you assume that anything else is required?

Fifth time:

What claim has the inventor made, and what evidence has he provided to support this claim?
 
g4macdad said:
You pretend to know what you are talking about. Are you a scientist?

You must be specific about your energy source. This is precisely the issue at hand. What pendulum system runs this long, specifically? Give us examples.

Why should we take your word?

Claims without proof. Hmmm....
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Grandfather Clocks? Or do you suppose that they need to be reset every 30 minutes or so?
 
PixyMisa said:
And it is just as clearly a pendulum. A Foucault pendulum is just a pendulum set up to demonstrate the rotation of the Earth. It is the same as any other pendulum.


It is clear from the first minute of the video that this is a pendulum device.


Words to live by.


At some point, it was set in motion. We are not shown this. Why do you assume that anything else is required?

Fifth time:

What claim has the inventor made, and what evidence has he provided to support this claim?
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Look you are digging deeper and deeper.

Have you seen a Foucault pendulum? It is not an ordinary pendulum! It swings huge distances.

Oh yeah you got me, I thought the machine started itself.:boggled:
If you think starting a machine is all thats required as energy, you obviously have no concept of the first law of thermodynamics.

If you cannot give a reasonable energy source please stop responding. It is embarrassing for me to witness.
 
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