The 9/11 Conspiracy Facts

[mjd1982]

To english (via babelfish):

"According to my opinion the building WTC 7 with large probability was blown up professionally ", says Hugo brook man, emeritierter ETH professor for structural design and construction. And also Joerg cutter, likewise emeritierter ETH professor for structural design and construction, interprets the few existing video photographs than references that "the building WTC 7 with large probability was blown up."

Guess it wasn't "utmost probability" after all.

with great probability is the more accurate translation

 

[mjd1982]

Competition people, please...

 

[Unsecured Coins]

At your level of ignorance? No contest.

 

[twinstead]

Competition people, please...

I take that back. My definition of ideologue is not only very seldom admitting you're wrong, but being arrogant to boot.

Now even the most casual of reader of this forum knows that you certainly don't stand out as some kind of intellectual powerhouse compared to others on this board, and it really doesn't help your case to pretend like you do.

 

[HeyLeroy]

Apparently mjd1982, by his lack of defense of his former opinions regarding Seven World Trade Center, now concedes that it collapsed solely due to impact damage and the resultant fires and was not aided in any way by pre-planted explosives.

Glad to see you're finally turning the page, mjd1982. Now I can sleep well at night.

 

[lapman]

Yes, thats why they said "interests in Iraq".

It says:

While
the unresolved
conflict with Iraq
provides the
immediate
justification, the
need for a
substantial
American force
presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of
the regime of Saddam Hussein.

Emphasis, mine. Funny, it doesn't say that anywhere in the document. Nice try though.

Oh dear...

Ahh, bending time and space again. Go back and read my post again and you'll see how foolish you were to post that article from Friday.

(from yesterday)
Hmmm, something of a pattern here...

Wow, and those documents are where? Please provide the link to those documents. I can't wait to see them.

 

[nicepants]

You are attempting to deem all racial stereotyping as racist. Thus if I were to state that Sri Lankans are bad swimmers, that would be racist. Now of course, on one level this is true; yet if anyone were to seriously accuse someone of being a racist for saying that, or actually calling that a racist comment, then that person would be dismissed, by adults, as being puerile and facile.

So if:

"Sri Lankans are bad swimmers" is not racist....would it be racist if someone said:

"Black people are bad swimmers"

?

 

[BillyRayValentine]

I can argue this on 2 levels. 1 is a base level, whereby I tell you that I am not a charlatan, nor a fraud, nor do I have any great interest in convincing you of my views on 911. I am also a very good judge of character. You do not have to believe this if you do not want, but I will tell you as someone who has met Scott and chatted with him for a good length of time, that he is not lying- this is something I can say as conclusively as couldd realistically be expected.

Ok, you got me. If you're really, really sure, that's proof enough. I'll just ignore the fact that 10,000+ other folks would have known about such an event, and not a single one has corroborated it. I'll also ignore every other previously mentioned reason why his story is ludicrous.

You say you aren't a charlatan or fraud, yet you defend an impossible, laughable tale. You clearly don't have the relevant knowledge to consider the plausibility of his claim, and yet defend it as if you do. Charlatan, eh? If the shoe fits...

Now of course you dont have to believe the former part of my assertions, and thus not the latter part, so I will argue on a second level- there is a very good reason why the main pillar of your counter arguments is completely unsound- that is that there is plenty of reason for the people in the towers not to have come forward so far.

You are saying that my argument is unsound, because I haven't assumed that some combination of cowardice, fear, moral vacancy, self-absorption or greed would keep every single person out of a pool of thousands quiet.

Yikes...somebody's train has jumped the rails.

You must remember that the power down is not a de facto implication of the government in killing its own people. Its an oddity, which will have little gravitas on the one side of the coin- making people believe the CT- but which willl have sever implications for the person who comes out with it...

That first sentence is one of the first correct observations you've made. Of course, you leave the rails again almost immediately when you return to your "severe implications" bunk. Since there isn't a plausible explanation as to why a power down would be "evidence" against the government, that's all the more reason to expect corroboration.

...as he or she will be lumped as a CTer, will most likely be fired, and will be vilified and slandered by you and you kind.

See, as soon as you suggest that anybody would ever "most likely be fired" for mentioning something that actually happened, your profile becomes quite clear. You are an ideologue, but a young one who's still ignorant as to the ways of the world. You're all too happy to make arguments, but have little life experience and accumulated wisdom to inform them.

Need I remind you that Scott did not, and does not think that the power down is proof of anything. It is the subsequent backlash against his account that has made him a truther- the extent to which official and authoritarian bdies are going to whitewash his story, whitewash the record, and silence him. This is the implicating element, and the same goes for Rodriguez et al

(Bolding mine)

Really? Perhaps you should reread Scott's first public comments, in letter form, regarding this matter. Here's the link: http://www.serendipity.li/wot/forbes01.htm

His own words contradict, rather precisely, what you say above.

How about this quote:

I was at home on the morning of 9/11 on the
shore of Jersey City, right opposite the Towers, and watching events unfold
I was convinced immediately that something was happening related to the
weekend work ...

(bolding mine)

Would you be willing to reconcile this with your claim that "Scott did not, and does not think that the power down is proof of anything"? I'll hold my breath.

While I'm waiting, I'd be interested in knowing if you are quoting his own words, as per your conversation with him. Did honest, self-effacing Scott just get caught lying through his teeth?

 

[Dave Rogers]

The facile and puerile nature of your pursuit of this reflects pretty badly on any attempts that you are wishing to make at serious debate on 911, I'm afraid.

Given that your definition of "puerile and facile" is "any person or statement that disagrees with mjd1982", and your definition of "serious debate on 911" is "accepting everything mjd1982 says as indisputable fact", I can't argue with that statement.

You are attempting to deem all racial stereotyping as racist.

That's a Stundie. Consider yourself nominated. It probably won't get through because of the lack of CT link, but it's such a monumentally idiotic statement that it needs highlighting.

Dave

 

[Belz...]

a) How Orwellian and worrying

Yeah. Orwellian just as much as a policeman.

Sheesh.

 

[WildCat]

Need I remind you that Scott did not, and does not think that the power down is proof of anything.

Need I remind you, Forbe's account is absolute nonsense. No way power is shut down for several days in a building occupied 24/7/365 that plays such an important role in finances worldwide.

Scott Forbes, if he is not a fraud, is at the very least a liar. No one else remembers this alleged "power down". I would think such a thing would be memorable.

 

[nicepants]

Need I remind you, Forbe's account is absolute nonsense. No way power is shut down for several days in a building occupied 24/7/365 that plays such an important role in finances worldwide.

To add to your point:

I work in a large office building, though not nearly as large as the WTC towers. If any portion of the building is to be "powered down", there is a very strict and detailed process that must be followed.

First, the reason for the power-down must be clearly stated and submitted to the different businesses and business areas. This usually has to happen at least 30 days in advance so that proper preparations can be made. In addition, the groups affected by the outage all have to "approve" or "sign off" on the event before it happens.

There is always a LARGE paper trail, and power is NEVER EVER cut off to any area of the building without going through this process. (The only exception would be an emergency outage)

With such strict procedures at even a small office building, I can almost guarantee that there were even MORE strict procedures in effect in the WTC towers. With all of those clients, someone needs to be communicating to them if they're not going to have power for x number of hours.

There is no way a complete building power outage would have taken place without SIGNIFICANT notification of those involved, and a rather large paper trail.......and yet somehow no one has come forward. How convenient.

Perhaps someone with more free time than me knows someone who leased space in the WTC who would be aware of the procedure for something like this.

 

[Belz...]

Nicepants, what you say is irrelevant: the NWO can and DOES power down entire buildings without anyone noticing, ever.

How do they do it ?

Magician's secret!

 

[BillyRayValentine]

There is no way a complete building power outage would have taken place without SIGNIFICANT notification of those involved, and a rather large paper trail.......and yet somehow no one has come forward. How convenient.

Yep. But frankly, you could have stopped after saying "There is no way a complete building power outage would have taken place", and left it at that. The notion that a NYC office tower could be "unplugged" for 36 hours, short of a catastrophic event or major emergency, is laughable.

It's amusing to see Mjd82 defend the indefensible, then crow about his intellectual prowess. I guess he does have some entertainment value, anyway...

 

[lapman]

Yep. But frankly, you could have stopped after saying "There is no way a complete building power outage would have taken place", and left it at that. The notion that a NYC office tower could be "unplugged" for 36 hours, short of a catastrophic event or major emergency, is laughable.

It's amusing to see Mjd82 defend the indefensible, then crow about his intellectual prowess. I guess he does have some entertainment value, anyway...

Here's the fun part. According to Scott, it was down for only 26 hours.

SF: All systems were shutdown on Saturday morning and the power down condition was in effect from approximately 12 noon on Saturday September 8, 2001.

GW: When did it end?

SF: Approximately 2PM on Sunday 9/9.

He worked on the 97th floor and could not confirm that the 37 floors below him were actually powered down.

GW: How do you know that there was no electricity from floor 50 up, if Fiduciary Trust was on much higher floors -- starting at the 90th floor?

SF: I can't absolutely verify that there was no power on lower floors ... all I can validate is that we were informed of the power down condition, that we had to take down all systems and then the following day had to bring back up all systems ...

Yep, a real reliable source.

 

[Unsecured Coins]

and when he comes to realize this, he will deem it irrelevant and go on about like nothing happened.

 

[BillyRayValentine]

You are attempting to deem all racial stereotyping as racist.

No, the comment in question (yours) is a negative racial stereotype, one that is perpetuated by ignoramuses like yourself who don't have the sense to realize it's offensive. The raghead comment and yours might be racist for qualitatively different reasons, but make no mistake - they're both racist.

One of the drawbacks of the internet as a means of communication is that the human capacity for shame gets stifled. I'm guessing that you'd be far less obtuse in person. It's much more difficult to spout nonsense while looking someone in the eye.

 

[aggle-rithm]

SF: When the South Tower collapsed, like a pillar of sand, it seemed unreal and inconceivable and I immediately thought something weird was going on.

Nah! The collapse of a 110-story building is the most natural thing in the world!

 

[Dave Rogers]

No, the comment in question (yours) is a negative racial stereotype, one that is perpetuated by ignoramuses like yourself who don't have the sense to realize it's offensive. The raghead comment and yours might be racist for qualitatively different reasons, but make no mistake - they're both racist.

Actually, I'm having a hard time seeing how any racial stereotyping, even ostensibly positive, can be seen as anything other than racist. Are there any African-Americans[1] who feel complimented by the suggestion that they have natural rhythm and are athletically gifted? Any Jewish people who like to hear others praise their financial acumen?

Dave

[1] Apologies if this isn't an appropriate term, no offence was meant - I'm unsure what terminology to use in a discussion of racism.

 

[BillyRayValentine]

SF: I can't absolutely verify that there was no power on lower floors ... all I can validate is that we were informed of the power down condition, that we had to take down all systems and then the following day had to bring back up all systems ...

Hysterical. See Scott lie. See Scott run (back-pedal).

First time around, he said this:

On the weekend of 9/8,9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36hrs from floor 50 up. I am aware of this situation since I work in IT and had to work with many others that weekend to ensure that all systems were cleanly shutdown beforehand ... and then brough back up afterwards. The reason given by the WTC for the power down was that cabling in the tower was being upgraded ... Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower.

The bolded part is my favorite. Breathtaking in its ignorance.