Time to kick Iran

[Oliver]

I have a problem with government backed rallies that promote the destruction of Israel, but that's just me.

Well, then I guess you also have a problem when a country bombs a foreign nuclear reactor just because they don't like it, don't you?

I think it's an interesting portrait of the Teheran people and lifestyle.

Of course it is - but the Americans wont see this Point of View in their Mainstream Media. That's what I'm complaining about - the democratic right for the voter to see through the smoke-screen.

I also like the bit when the reporter is forced to pray with the president at the opening of the tunnel.

Uhm, the Reporter is a Muslim, too. What do you mean by forced - it was a pleasure for him, if you saw his reply.

No.

Why not? The Canadian system sucks. Every Fox-Viewer will agree with me.

 

[Pardalis]

Well, then I guess you also have a problem when a country bombs a foreign nuclear reactor just because they don't like it, don't you?

I don't know about that incident.

Of course it is - but the Americans wont see this Point of View in their Mainstream Media. That's what I'm complaining about - the democratic right for the voter to see through the smoke-screen.

They can see it on the internet if they want. I'm sure there's been a report made by big news media at some point about Iran. CNN does these "human interest stories" pieces quite often.

Uhm, the Reporter is a Muslim, too. What do you mean by forced - it was a pleasure for him, if you saw his reply.

He seemed uneasy in the video.

Why not? The Canadian system sucks. Every Fox-Viewer will agree with me.

I don't watch Fox.

 

[Oliver]

I don't know about that incident.

Well, that's what the link was meant for. Again - no opinion from Quebec.

They can see it on the internet if they want. I'm sure there's been a report made by big news media at some point about Iran. CNN does these quite often.

Nope - they should see it in every Media. That's what a democracy is about - a free and fair Media.

He seemed uneasy in the video.

He was overwhelmed by this opportunity. Watch the rest of the Movie, too.

I don't watch Fox.

So basically you agree that there are no positive things to say about the Canadian UHC, I guess.

 

[Pardalis]

Well, that's what the link was meant for. Again - no opinion from Quebec.

I have no opinion yet because I don't know about it very much. Lighten up.

Nope - they should see it in every Media. That's what a democracy is about - a free and fair Media.

I'm sure Christiane Amanpour made a human interest piece about life in Iran at some point.

So basically you agree that there are no positive things to say about the Canadian UHC, I guess.

I didn't say that.

 

[Oliver]

I have no opinion yet because I don't know about it very much. Lighten up.

Take the time to understand the conflict. It's strange that you tend to have pro-Israeli opinions and ignoring the other side of the story at the same time. You still don't want to sign up?

I'm sure Christiane Amanpour made a human interest piece about life in Iran at some point.

Yep, and 1% of Americans probably saw it. What a success for the democratic (Not democrats) media, isn't it?

I didn't say that.

Well, you said: "The Canadian healthcare system has its many problems."
Since you have no further opinion on that, I guess you also think it sucks - or you don't know it's strengths.

 

[Pardalis]

It's strange that you tend to have pro-Israeli opinions and ignoring the other side of a story at the same time.

That's your opinion. Iran has made it very clear what its policy about Israel is.

Yep, and 1% of Americans probably saw it. What a success for the democratic (Not democrats) media, isn't it?

I don't know what you mean.

Well, you said: "The Canadian healthcare system has its many problems."

Yes, I said that. It has its problems and its successes. These days it seems it has more problems.

Since you have no further opinion on that, I guess you also think it sucks - or you don't know it's strengths.

I have further opinion on the subject, I just don't see what the Canadian healthcare system has to do with Iran.

 

[Oliver]

That's your opinion. Iran has made it very clear what its policy about Israel is.

I don't know what you mean.

Yes, I said that. It has its problems and its successes. These days it seems it has more problems.

I have further opinion on the subject, I just don't see what the Canadian healthcare system has to do with Iran.

The Canadian UHC has to do with single-sided coverage in the US - just like the Iran is portrayed single-sided. Do you ever actually read the thread you're posting in?

Well, if you know Iran's politics about Israel, I'm pretty sure you can explain Israel's politics about Iran, too. Let's hear:

 

[fuelair]

What movie?

Look, Goury: If all your mainstream-media starts to sing in a choir about iran, for example - without showing the other side of the story: Do you think that's democratic and balanced? (A fair base for voters to decide about an issue).

That's exactly what happened in the Run-Up to the Iraq war. There was no "Hold on" -or- "What do the civilians over there think about it".

The same goes to UHC, Iran, etc...

Maybe you missed it, but as the Media already pointed out: "Your Canadian Universal Health Care sucks. There is nothing positive about the Canadian UHC."

Well, I guess you also agree on that, don't you?

Let me clarify a big point for you Oliver: The US media could spend a month giving us reports on what citizens of Iran wanted and 98% of US citizens might read or watch one of them - for long enough to determine it wasn't interesting. I am not a fan of the news functions of the US but they do know how to make money and how not to - the function of news has been to entertain for at least 15 years now. Your mistake is assuming they are hiding lots of stuff - they aren't - much.

 

[Pardalis]

The Canadian UHC has to do with single-sided coverage in the US

I wouldn't know about that, since I'm Canadian.

just like the Iran is portrayed single-sided.

Do you think the Iranian media is being impartial and "democratic" when it covers news about the US and Israel? Be honest.

Do you consider Germany to be impartial when it covers US news?

Well, if you know Iran's politics about Israel, I'm pretty sure you can explain Israel's politics about Iran, too. Let's hear:

I think it's pretty clear. Israel's policy is of self-protection. If Israel is provoked or attacked it will retaliate.

I've read they are also thinking of preemptive attacks against Iran, which is very troubling and deplorable. The US has set a very bad example with Iraq; pre-emptive actions are a really bad idea IMHO, especially when the intelligence is faulty and politically manipulated .

 

[Oliver]

I wouldn't know about that, since I'm Canadian.

Well, I thought you were reading the discussions about the Sicko movie in here - so you probably would know.

Do you think the Iranian media is being impartial and "democratic" when it covers news about the US and Israel? Be honest.

I doubt it - even if I never saw Iranian Television. I mean, after all, Iran is no democratic country with two-sided views, free speech and other myths, is it?

Do you consider Germany to be impartial when it covers US news?

Yes, generally - that's what I think.

I think it's pretty clear. Israel's policy is of self-protection. If Israel is provoked or attacked it will retaliate.

Nope, Israel will also attack unprovoked. Of course, they tend to see everything as provocation. Just like the US. I wonder who's whining louder about the own mess they produce.
Take the time to read the article I linked to.

I've read they are also thinking of preemptive attacks against Iran, which is very troubling and deplorable. The US has set a very bad example with Iraq; pre-emptive actions are a really bad idea IMHOP, especially when the intelligence is faulty and politically manipulated .

Well, there are also plans in the US and Israel for preemtive attacks against Iran. So what? Who's right - who's wrong? The one with the most evil plans?

 

[Pardalis]

Well, I thought you were reading the discussions about the Sicko movie in here - so you probably would know.

I didn't read that thread, as I haven't seen the movie and it doesn't interest me.

I doubt it

Me too.

I wonder who's whining louder about the own mess they produce.

Seems you are.

Well, there are also plans in the US and Israel for preemtive attacks against Iran.

Yes, I just said that.

So what? Who's right - who's wrong?

Hard to tell.

 

[Oliver]

Hard to tell.

Exactly - and that's why a democratic, neutral Media coverage about the world is important. Finally we agree.

 

[Pardalis]

Exactly - and that's why a democratic, neutral Media coverage about the world is important. Finally we agree.

Let's just hope the Iranian media is also democratic and neutral.

 

[gtc]

Oliver,

Fox News rates less than 1 million viewers most days (if I have interpreted this source correctly).

Bild sells more than 3 million papers.

Do you think Bild is accurate and unbiased? 'Bild Blog' apparently argues that it is not.

 

[Oliver]

Oliver,

Fox News rates less than 1 million viewers most days (if I have interpreted this source correctly).

Bild sells more than 3 million papers.

Do you think Bild is accurate and unbiased? 'Bild Blog' apparently argues that it is not.

*lol* I consider Bild as the German equivalent of Weekly World News. News for the dumb, I apologize to it's readers.

Anyway: The coverage generally is US-sided, Fox News is just the extreme of this behavior. But let me ask: Do you think your Media in Australia is more or less accurate than the US-Media?

 

[Oliver]

Let's just hope the Iranian media is also democratic and neutral.

Nope, I prefer to hope that Iran's politicians at the top are no "War-Presidents", no matter if neutral or democratic.

 

[Pardalis]

Nope, I prefer to hope that Iran's politicians at the top are no "War-Presidents", no matter if neutral or democratic.

Wrong president.

 

[Oliver]

Wrong president.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/8886469c41997076c.jpg

Ahmadinejad isn't a war-president yet, Pardalis.
And therefore: he also didn't saw God guiding him into War.

 

[Pardalis]

Ahmadinejad isn't a war-president yet, Pardalis.

And let's keep him that way.

he also didn't saw God guiding him into War.

Yeah, that was bat crazy I agree.

 

[Pardalis]

Btw Oliver, just curious, do you see anything wrong in the picture I just posted of Ahmadinejad?