Corrie vs. Caterpillar -- Redux.

[Dr Adequate]

I think you could learn a lot from the forum guidelines and which behaviours are not considered acceptable on this forum.

Do you want to see my impersonation of a barrack-room lawyer?

It's very convincing.

 

[Dr Adequate]

In regards to the underlined portion, I can refresh our collective memories, and remind everyone about the conditions in a Gaza warzone on the afternoon of March 16 2003

Grenades were being tossed at the D9's and orders were simply given: "Flatten the area. Stay inside the armor, and go go go." Sa sa sa. (Hebrew slang for "Get moving")
An IDF tank was offering cover fire.

Warzone.

Same as right now, as IDF main battle tanks and Robotically-controlled unmanned D9's take the battle to the terrorists in Gaza.

You wanna go out there and stand in their way? See ya....

Yes, if only Rachel Corrie had been standing up to cute fluffy bunny rabbits handing out candyfloss, then I'm sure she'd still be alive today.

And your point was ... ?

 

[gtc]

Dr Adequate,

Were the people who harboured the July 21 bombers after the event peaceful?

You say that we cannot understand her motives but we can examine her emails:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,916299,00.html

It reminded me of how much, to some degree, we are all kids curious about other kids. Egyptian kids shouting at strange women wandering into the path of tanks. Palestinian kids shot from the tanks when they peak out from behind walls to see what's going on. International kids standing in front of tanks with banners. Israeli kids in the tanks anonymously - occasionally shouting and also occasionally waving - many forced to be here, many just agressive - shooting into the houses as we wander away.

She portrays Israelis as violent and aggressive or coerced. Palestinians are portrayed as victims of violence. This is either naive or extreme partisanship.

Yesterday, I watched a father lead his two tiny children, holding his hands, out into the sight of tanks and a sniper tower and bulldozers and Jeeps because he thought his house was going to be exploded. Jenny and I stayed in the house with several women and two small babies. It was our mistake in translation that caused him to think it was his house that was being exploded. In fact, the Israeli army was in the process of detonating an explosive in the ground nearby - one that appears to have been planted by Palestinian resistance.... The explosive was right in front of the greenhouses

Notice that she has direct evidence of the lives and homes of Palestinians being put in danger. Does she condemn the people who placed the explosives there or do anything about it? No she refers to those who placed the explosives as 'resistance'.

I thought a lot about what you said on the phone about Palestinian violence not helping the situation. ... What is left for people? Tell me if you can think of anything. I can't.

do you think we might try to use somewhat violent means to protect whatever fragments remained?

Somewhat violent? She is talking about suicide bombers. Is she naive or extremely partisan? Either way this is not 'peaceful'.

So when I sound crazy, or if the Israeli military should break with their racist tendency not to injure white people, please pin the reason squarely on the fact that I am in the midst of a genocide which I am also indirectly supporting, and for which my government is largely responsible.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Were the people who harboured the July 21 bombers after the event peaceful?

In the sense of "non-violent", yes. In your sense, who knows? That depends on your criteria for which motives make a person "peaceful", and I still can't read your mind.

You say that we cannot understand her motives but we can examine her emails:

Yes, and what is even more insightful, we can read your comments explaining what she really meant by the phrases that you've cherry-picked. When I confessed that I couldn't read the minds of dead people, I had no idea that there was someone on these very forums who could supply this deficiency. What a piece of luck!

Feel free to judge, by your own standards, whether Rachel Corrie was "peaceful", according to your own definition of this word and your own interpretation of her motives. However, before you make a fool of yourself further on this thread, please let me point out once again that it is absolutely crystal clear from my posts that when I used the word "peaceful", I meant nothing more nor less than "non-violent".

 

[gtc]

Yes, and what is even more insightful, we can read your comments explaining what she really meant by the phrases that you've cherry-picked. When I confessed that I couldn't read the minds of dead people, I had no idea that there was someone on these very forums who could supply this deficiency. What a piece of luck!

Were the people who harboured the July 21 bombers after the event peaceful?

Do you think suicide bombers are only 'somewhat' violent?

 

[Dr Adequate]

How would you stop a bulldozer? Assume that you're a peace activist and blowing it up is not an option.

I asked you how you would peacefully stop a bulldozer.

Now tell me the smart way to non-violently stop a bulldozer.

As you are well aware from my posts, I was using "peacefully" in the sense of "non-violently".

Please let me point out once again that it is absolutely crystal clear from my posts that when I used the word "peaceful", I meant nothing more nor less than "non-violent".

Now, if there is anyone still puzzled over what I meant when I used the word "peacefully" in the second post down, then let me advise them that they could make good money in the carnival geek business.

Sheesh.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Were the people who harboured the July 21 bombers after the event peaceful?

In the sense of "non-violent", yes. In your sense, who knows? That depends on your criteria for which motives make a person "peaceful", and I still can't read your mind.

Do you think suicide bombers are only 'somewhat' violent?

No, of course not. Are you insane? By the way, why do you put the word 'somewhat' in quotation marks? Are you trying to fool someone into thinking that I used the phrase "somewhat violent", or do you suffer from typographical Tourette's syndrome?

In fact, why are you asking me this frickin' stupid question in the first place? It has no relation at all to anything I've posted. You might as well have written: "Do you think the moon is made of 'green' cheese?"

 

[gtc]

This is a list of the suicide bombings carried out in Israel in the 6 months leading up to Rachel Corrie's email of February 27 2003 in which she defends the 'somewhat violent' 'Palestinian resistance':

Source

Sept 18, 2002 - 1 Killed, 3 wounded at a bus stop

Sept 19, 2002 - 6 killed, about 70 wounded on a bus.

Oct 10, 2002 - 1 killed, 30 injured at a bus stop across from a university.

Oct 21, 2002 - 14 killed and some 50 wounded when a car bomb was exploded next to a bus.

Oct 27, 2002 - 3 killed, 20 wounded at a gas station.

Nov 4, 2002 - 2 killed, 70 wounded at a shopping mall.

Nov 21, 2002 - 11 killed, 50 wounded on a bus.

Jan 5, 2003 - 22 killed, about 120 injured at a bus station.

 

[gtc]

No, of course not. Are you insane? By the way, why do you put the word 'somewhat' in quotation marks? Are you trying to fool someone into thinking that I used the phrase "somewhat violent", or do you suffer from typographical Tourette's syndrome?

In fact, why are you asking me this frickin' stupid question in the first place? It has no relation at all to anything I've posted. You might as well have written: "Do you think that the moon is made of 'green' cheese?"

If you're going to try feigning incomprehension, it's best not to simultaneously make it clear that you know exactly what I mean.

I used 'somewhat' in quotations because those are Rachel's own words. Did you read the quotes I posted before you accussed me of cherry picking?

 

[Dr Adequate]

I used 'somewhat' in quotations because those are Rachel's own words. Did you read the quotes I posted before you accussed me of cherry picking?

Yes, of course, but for some astonishing reason I didn't commit them all to memory.

That one's a particularly blatant and disgusting example of cherry-picking and distortion, isn't it?

I notice that you didn't answer my question about why you asked me that lunatic non sequitur.

 

[Dr Adequate]

This is a list of the suicide bombings carried out in Israel in the 6 months leading up to Rachel Corrie's email of February 27 2003 in which she defends the 'somewhat violent' 'Palestinian resistance'.

Perhaps you could quote me some instances where she does so?

 

[gtc]

That one's a particularly blatant and disgusting example of cherry-picking and distortion, isn't it?

No.

However it is interesting that you mention disgusting.

I think her attitude towards the Israelis and her attitude towards the 'Palestinian resistance' was pretty disgusting. Don't you?

 

[gtc]

I notice that you didn't answer my question about why you asked me that lunatic non sequitur.

Because you argue that her actions were peaceful and I have suggested that it is the motive behind her, admittedly non violent, actions that determines wheter she was acting peacefully or not.

I want to know what you think of her attitudes.

Perhaps you could quote me some instances where she does so?

I already have. Now I know you simply playing the troll. I should have realised that you were a troll after you encouraged another poster to commit suicide. My mistake.

 

[Dr Adequate]

I think her attitude towards the Israelis and her attitude towards the 'Palestinian resistance' was pretty disgusting. Don't you?

I have seen no information on which to base such an opinion. I can't read the minds of dead people, remember?

I have, of course, read your account of what you think she thought, but I am not certain of your accuracy in this respect.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Because you argue that her actions were peaceful and I have suggested that it is the motive behind her, admittedly non violent, actions that determines wheter she was acting peacefully or not.

One more time for the drooling moron. Let's look at my posts again.

How would you stop a bulldozer? Assume that you're a peace activist and blowing it up is not an option.

I asked you how you would peacefully stop a bulldozer.

Now tell me the smart way to non-violently stop a bulldozer.

As you are well aware from my posts, I was using "peacefully" in the sense of "non-violently".

I called her actions "peaceful" because they were non-violent, as you know perfectly well.

Please let me point out once again that it is absolutely crystal clear from my posts that when I used the word "peaceful", I meant nothing more nor less than "non-violent".

Now, if there is anyone still puzzled over what I meant when I used the word "peacefully" in the second post down, then let me advise them that they could make good money in the carnival geek business.

One more time. Let's see if you understand it this time, or whether you're a complete drivelling retard. When I challenged webfusion to come up with a "peaceful" method of stopping a bulldozer other than obstructing its path, I meant "without blowing it up", as I said in my first post quoted above, or "non-violently", as I said in my third. In my second, I described exactly the same thing by the phrase "peacefully" stopping a bulldozer. When I used the word "peacefully", I was using it a a synonym for "non-violently", as I have explicitly told you many many times, and not in the sense which you've made up in your head, and which, despite repeated challenges, you have refused to share with us.

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Now I know you simply playing the troll.

Ah, unconscious irony.

 

[gtc]

How would you stop a bulldozer? Assume that you're a peace activist and blowing it up is not an option.

This is the crux of the matter.

In what sense was Rachel Corrie a peace activist given her attitudes and statements?

I agree she acted non-violently but that is not the same as acting peacefully or being a peace activist.

I also note your use of pejorative terms for people with intellectual disabilities.

 

[Dr Adequate]

This is the crux of the matter.

In what sense was Rachel Corrie a peace activist given her attitudes and statements?

I agree she acted non-violently but that is not the same as acting peacefully or being a peace activist.

One more time for the stupid dumb jerk. I did not claim at any point that Rachel Corrie was "acting peacefully" according to the secret definition in your head, nor did I claim that she was a "peace activist" according to the same Sooper Sekrit criterion.

What I asked, in fact, was whether there was a better way to stop a bulldozer than standing in front of it, if one is committed to using only non-violent means, and that is all I meant by a "peaceful" way of stopping a bulldozer. My question did not relate in any way to the motives webfusion might have for stopping a bulldozer. I just wanted to know how, without violent means, he would do it.

I also note your use of pejorative terms for people with intellectual disabilities.

If you don't like people pointing out that you're an idiot, try to be less of an idiot.

I know no terms for idiots which are not, in some way, pejorative. Perhaps you could suggest some? What should I call you when you talk garbage like this? "Mentally differently-abled"?

 

[gtc]

One more time for the stupid dumb jerk. I did not claim...that she was a "peace activist" according to the same Sooper Sekrit criterion.

Yes you did (bolding mine).

How would you stop a bulldozer? Assume that you're a peace activist and blowing it up is not an option.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Yes you did (bolding mine).

Well, that's a flagrant lie, isn't it?

You will notice that in that quotation I did not, in fact, claim that Rachel Corrie was a "peace activist" according to the Sooper Sekrit criterion which you've made up in your head and which you still refuse to disclose. Or, rather, you would notice that if you were not ... well, you never did answer my question about what I should call stupid nutjobs. So let's just say a halfwit fruitloop and sort out the PC issues later, eh?

I did, however, challenge webfusion to say how he would stop a bulldozer if he was a peace activist and blowing it up was not an option.

You can tell that I said that 'cos that's what I actually said.

 

[gtc]

I have shown Dr Adequate his own words and Rachel Corrie's own words to show:

a) That he considered Rachel Corrie to be a peace activist,
b) That Rachel Corrie was no peace activist and, instead, defended violence and supported the 'Palestinian resistance'.

Yet he is denying both statements.

If anyone is in any doubt about the way Dr Adequate behaves on this forum then here are some of the insults he has hurled around on this thread:

Hitler killed himself. I think his latter-day followers could learn a lot from his example.

...Are you insane? ...do you suffer from typographical Tourette's syndrome?

...drooling moron....or whether you're a complete drivelling retard.

stupid dumb jerk.

halfwit fruitloop.