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The Christian Trinity Doctrine

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The Trinity is a Christian Doctrine that states that God is one being who simultaneously exists as a mutal indwelling of three persons. The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit.

My question on this is, what kind of twisted logic do you need to make sense of this bizzare and wacky idea?
 
Wings said:
The Trinity is a Christian Doctrine that states that God is one being who simultaneously exists as a mutal indwelling of three persons. The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit.

My question on this is, what kind of twisted logic do you need to make sense of this bizzare and wacky idea?
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First you kick out the logic, and double up on the twisted...

The real problem, as I see it, is that it invalidates the entire foundation of Christinsanity. If you say that Jesus is also God, and assume that God has supreme powers, then where exactly is the "sacrifice" on the cross? Since God can't die, then Jesus didn't really die, and the whole thing sort of falls apart on its own.
 
So, does "God" have multiple personality disorder?

You know, that might explain a lot!
 
The trinity doctrine is a cornerstone of faith for many denominations of christianity, but its foundation in the bible is, to say the least, very shaky. The bible never mentions the word, and it requires some ingenious interpretation here and there to read it in the book. An attempt to squeeze it in is the so-called Comma Johanneum (I cannot post links yet, but Wikipedia has an artice about it).
 
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"There are some things that are beyond human comprehension."

Which means "Just don't think too hard about it."
 
I've just been reading Terry Jones' book on "Barbarians" (from his TV series of the same name) and they discuss this topic there.

IIRC, the early Christian Church was all over the place regarding God and Jesus. Many Christians were Arianists, believing in the God Jesus preached but not the divinity of Jesus (in some ways, very close to Islamic Theology). But the Trinitarians (the 1 God in 3 aspects) got control of the Roman Empire and managed to pretty well snuff out the other competing forms of Christianity...at least for a millenium or so...

The whole Trinity idea is what I never could accept as a Catholic growing up...and then actually reading the Bible did me in for all religion.
 
Wings said:
The Trinity is a Christian Doctrine that states that God is one being who simultaneously exists as a mutal indwelling of three persons. The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit.

My question on this is, what kind of twisted logic do you need to make sense of this bizzare and wacky idea?
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I can give you the answer I was given, all those years ago (note, I do not believe this now and I pretty much didn't believe it then.)

It was explained to me that to visualise the Trinity, you think of a cherry pie cut into three pieces, still in the pie plate (I went to church in the South, so we talked about food a lot.)

Now there are, clearly, three pieces to the pie. But cherry pie is not a solid pie (like pumpkin, say) and thus, even though there are clearly three pieces, there is still only one filling inside the pie.

Thus, it is possible to have something that is both three and one at the same time.

Yes, that is lame, but there you go.

Cheers,
Grace
 
Liquid_Grace said:
I can give you the answer I was given, all those years ago (note, I do not believe this now and I pretty much didn't believe it then.)

It was explained to me that to visualise the Trinity, you think of a cherry pie cut into three pieces, still in the pie plate (I went to church in the South, so we talked about food a lot.)

Now there are, clearly, three pieces to the pie. But cherry pie is not a solid pie (like pumpkin, say) and thus, even though there are clearly three pieces, there is still only one filling inside the pie.

Thus, it is possible to have something that is both three and one at the same time.

Yes, that is lame, but there you go.

Cheers,
Grace
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OK, let me get this straight. You're saying Warrant was a Christian band?
 
It's just your standard three god monotheism. What's so complicated/contradictory about that?
 
Liquid_Grace said:
I can give you the answer I was given, all those years ago (note, I do not believe this now and I pretty much didn't believe it then.)

It was explained to me that to visualise the Trinity, you think of a cherry pie cut into three pieces, still in the pie plate (I went to church in the South, so we talked about food a lot.)

Now there are, clearly, three pieces to the pie. But cherry pie is not a solid pie (like pumpkin, say) and thus, even though there are clearly three pieces, there is still only one filling inside the pie.

Thus, it is possible to have something that is both three and one at the same time.

Yes, that is lame, but there you go.

Cheers,
Grace
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Did they not realize the simply pulled that explanation out of their arses?
 
JoeEllison said:
First you kick out the logic, and double up on the twisted...
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The tools of Greek philosophy, including its logic (but also its modes of argumentation, metaphysical vocabulary, etc.) seem to have made it easier for Trinitarianism to assert itself in early Christianity. Among other things, they helped furnish a basis for demonstrating that there is no necessary logical contradiction in considering something as a unity in one respect and a multiplicity in another respect. The theological difficulties surrounding the Trinity strike me as greater than any logico-philosophical ones, although perhaps that's a reflection of my having much less of a formation in the former than the latter field.
 
It was to give themselves something to argue about and "study" for the foreseeable future. Along with "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin."
 
Hutch said:
IIRC, the early Christian Church was all over the place regarding God and Jesus. Many Christians were Arianists, believing in the God Jesus preached but not the divinity of Jesus (in some ways, very close to Islamic Theology). But the Trinitarians (the 1 God in 3 aspects) got control of the Roman Empire and managed to pretty well snuff out the other competing forms of Christianity...at least for a millenium or so...
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Was Arianism ever (either before or after Arius) a serious competitor to, say, the orthodoxy eventually recognized and affirmed at Nicaea? I thought that even at its apex (which came after Arius' condemnation, I believe), it was more of a vocal, late-blooming fringe element.
 
The christian trinity idea is supposed to confuse you. The church leaders appear to understand it. Maybe you just need to think about it more. Just go along with the group and god will allow you to understand in his own time. The leaders just want to keep you confused, controlled and tithing.
 
Tony said:
Did they not realize the simply pulled that explanation out of their arses?
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Well, yes and no.

I mean, yes, it's a silly explanation, no doubt.

However, if you accept the Christian doctrine of a triune god, it's a plausible way to explain it. It made the concept clearer for me, at least.

As an atheist and a skeptic, of course, I find the whole idea of god(s) quite silly, triune or no. But at the time, struggling to be a believer, it gave me a way to visualise something that is both three and one at the same time.

Embarrassing to write it all out, now, though.

Cheers,
Grace
 
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