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Some Calculations requested regarding why the towers upper portion did not slide off

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Goodaye guys,

I have actually been debating this issue with someone, its good and formal at the moment but although the collapse is logical to me, he asserts he think that the towers should have arrested on the floors below or slid off!

Now stop laughing I know how stupid that is :D

http://www.911oz.com/forum/public/viewtopic.php?t=120&start=15&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

Can someone say like beachnut or mackey or one of you other maths genius lords provide some numbers as to

1) approximate weight of falling mass (wtc 1 and 2)
2) the consequential force once the mass starts to fall
3) the amount of force required to stop it (arrest it) from below
4) the amount of force needed to be applied to one side to force it to 'slide off' (lol)

hahaha
slide off, I know its stupid, just simple logical deducation of weights and size tell me why, but the numbers, even back of the envelope would be good. I actually think (without checking) even at 25 degrees, this is only for a second and once stuff breaks, it breaks. I should not even need to go to these lengths but hey, may as well. Helps me explain it better as well to others away from the net.

It has been discussed at times before so I will look to search the forum as well. If you can PM or even reply in this thread it would be appreciated.

Im not interested in a 'ooo look he said this now!' and post the responses from there in here kind of thread, more so a discussion as to the absurdity of this claim.

Thanks heathens
 
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I asked some twoofers the other day how blocks of 50,000 and 120,000 tons could somehow slide/fall out of their footprints without a horizontal force acting on them.

"You don't need a horizontal force cuz a chair would fall over" was basically the answer I got.
 
CHF said:
I asked some twoofers the other day how blocks of 50,000 and 120,000 tons could somehow slide/fall out of their footprints without a horizontal force acting on them.

"You don't need a horizontal force cuz a chair would fall over" was basically the answer I got.
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Well, that's not the answer you'll get from this truther.

The correct answer is that the upper portion did not "slide off" because most of it very rapidly turned into powder. What the upper portion would have done had it remained macroscopic is an interesting question, but purely academic.

Of course we need a horizontal force to explain how large building sections would end up 500 feet away, like, for instance, in the winter garden. That's not a question for you to pose to a truther, it is a question for the truther to pose to you.

Most of the twin towers turned into powder, and that steel which remained macro was thrown about in a radius far outside the footprint. I ask you, how could this happen, "without a horizontal force acting upon them"?
 
We don't know how they did it. That doesn't change what we observe. Unless you think the videos of the towers are fake, then the upper portions turned mostly to powder.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
The correct answer is that the upper portion did not "slide off" because most of it very rapidly turned into powder.
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This is a rather imprecise statement. Define "most" to begin with. Does this turning into powder include the steel? Or just the concrete?

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Most of the twin towers turned into powder, and that steel which remained macro was thrown about in a radius far outside the footprint. I ask you, how could this happen, "without a horizontal force acting upon them"?
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I ask you why on Earth do you think that, given the kind of chaotic collapse that the WTC towers exhibited, the debris would fall into a neat, little pile? Why is that your expectation? What do you base that expectation on? Why wouldn't debris be spread all around?
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
We don't know how they did it. That doesn't change what we observe. Unless you think the videos of the towers are fake, then the upper portions turned mostly to powder.
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I've kept my cool up until now, BUT ARE YOU INSANE! POWDER!?!?!? In what world does steel turn into powder in mid air? POWDER?!?! MOSTLY POWDER?!?! That was all video trickery or something, you just chalk it up to that and let us live in our fantasy world. Just sit there like the Cheshire Cat knowing the real truth and leave us to our demise. When the time comes I will be the first one to say "Hey we should have all listened to that TruthSeeker guy cuz he was spot on about everything, let's all make a golden statue of him so we can worship at his feet for all eternity". POWDER?!?!? What about dust? Was the damn thing "powderfied" or "dustified"?
 
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TruthSeeker1234 said:
Well, that's not the answer you'll get from this truther.

The correct answer is that the upper portion did not "slide off" because most of it very rapidly turned into powder. What the upper portion would have done had it remained macroscopic is an interesting question, but purely academic.

Of course we need a horizontal force to explain how large building sections would end up 500 feet away, like, for instance, in the winter garden. That's not a question for you to pose to a truther, it is a question for the truther to pose to you.

Most of the twin towers turned into powder, and that steel which remained macro was thrown about in a radius far outside the footprint. I ask you, how could this happen, "without a horizontal force acting upon them"?
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You mean the perimeter columns that fell over in large sections and struck buildings hundreds of feet away? Like this:
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A path leading right up the the winter garden.
 
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Ah, now you're getting it. :D

Ace is a Judy Wood fan. Yes, there are still a few of them left. [SIZE=-1] [/SIZE]
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I've avoided TS because I can't take this level of absurdity. I thought pomeroo was being almost too harsh on him at times, but JC, he's just doing it to drive people crazy. POWDER! a building turned to powder?! Hey I have an idea, the building turned to powder. Marvin Martian used his friggin death ray and turned the damn thing to POWDER when no one was looking. They forgot to edit that out, although the mass hysteria has somehow allowed this little anomoly to go unnoticed by everyone else but him.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Of course we need a horizontal force to explain how large building sections would end up 500 feet away, like, for instance, in the winter garden. That's not a question for you to pose to a truther, it is a question for the truther to pose to you.

Most of the twin towers turned into powder, and that steel which remained macro was thrown about in a radius far outside the footprint. I ask you, how could this happen, "without a horizontal force acting upon them"?
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Watch this video from the 19:40 mark. You'll get a pretty clear picture of what happened during the collapse of wtc 1. Pay close attention at 19:46, when a 60+ section of the north facade peels away and heads toward wtc 7.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...291&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

Hope that clears things up a bit for you. You seem very confused.
 
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