[Moderated]175 did NOT hit the South tower.

[SOMERLED]

So we finally have some proof then kirkman? I mean you must have actual proof of these threatening phonecalls mustn't you? Otherwise you wouldn't be saying this would you? You're not the kind of person who would just make stuff up, are you?

The whole premise is almost as ludicrous as Ace Baker's no-plane nonsense and the only reason I say "almost" is because your nonsense involves actual aeroplanes.

I'll show you proof of that, when you show me proof that Iran wants nuclear weapons.

 

[SOMERLED]

You continually quote a post, ignore it, and simply ramble on about your delusion. You do this to ruffle feathers and get the attention you crave. You are continually caught making mistakes and telling lies, and your response is always to simply ignore your mistakes and respond with futher nonsense.

I, for one, am done playing with you, Malcolm. If you are an honest-to-goodness conspiracy nut, then let me tell you what I tell the others:

This is just a game to you and nothing more. Ten, twenty, thirty years from now, the globe will still be spinning and not much will have changed. No FEMA death camps. No NWO. No Freemasons ruling the world. No revolution in the US by the 'truthers'. There will still be good politicians and corrupt ones. There will still be wars, poverty, famine, religion, and everything else that you see on the nightly news.

In the meantime, you will continue your rants about Ouffit, about Rockefeller, and possibly about "verb transitives". You will still use dispicable tactics (such as offering money to a charity and then not honoring it) to try to give weight to your weak arguments. You will waste your time finding connections where none exist. You will spend hours a day posting nonsense on internet forums. You will still be deluded enough to think that you are somehow making a difference, when in fact you are doing nothing more than dancing on the graves of helpless victims to help you believe your fairy-tale is true.

You aren't here to learn. You aren't even here to teach. You are here to stir up a hornet's nest and brag about the how much attention you received. Don't be too quick to be flattered though Malcolm; the attention you get isn't because your 'theories' are sound or even intelligable. In a conspiracy forum with very few 'truthers', you are simply the ugly girl who walks by the all-boy's school.

I highly doubt you are who you've claimed. You aren't married, or a business man, or even an adult - too much of your writing style and language reveal your true age. So, Malcolm, find another hobby, one that doesn't make a mockery of innocent victims. The adults will still be here to talk to when you are ready for a grown-up conversation.

I've just had eight posts in a row deleted. Where did I mention FEMA camps or freemasons? You have displayed to me that you are fully au fait with the truth of 9/11 and you think people like me are toothless.
I mentioned notions of 'superiority' in a recent post as being a root cause of perpetual trouble. People can think what they like, but when they put the wrong thoughts into action, they put themselves outside the law. It might only be a small thing, but such things can be costly. I'll be making sure that happens.

 

[SOMERLED]

Evidence? Start with the extensive interviews conducted by Firehouse magazine Editor-in-Chief Harvey Eisner and published in that magazine. Then read Dennis Smith's "Report From Ground Zero". Follow up by reading "102 Minutes" by Dwyer and Flynn.

If for some reason that's not enough evidence and you are still not convinced that Chief Palmer, "..couldn't possibly know what it looked like on higher floors." And that "...they didn't GET those lines up there. The fires burned on unchecked." I would be glad to introduce you to some of the guys in Batallion 7 who could provide the evidence you need. Would you like to meet FF McArdle of HMS Unit 1S? I trained with him, and I think he'd be willing to talk to you about actual fire conditions in WTC 2.

Bring him one, I have plenty to talk to him about and I await eagerly your response.

 

[Z]

Factor? explained to me?
We are indeed yet again going over old ground.
Would you like to proceed to Offutt or are you going to insist that an egg travelling at a thousand miles an hour will go through a brick wall?

Actually, Malcolm, an egg (hard-boiled) travelling just 490 mph can penetrate both a brick wall, a cinderblock wall, and a rigid 3" steel plate. At least, individually. The raw egg disintegrated in flight.

Unfortunately, that experiment was done many years ago, at UCF in Orlando, before the advent of the internet, and I can't find any remaining abstract of the experiment. If anyone else knows of this experiment and can find some info on it, that would be much appreciated.

 

[SOMERLED]

What is it, if it is not evidence?

Here's a question for y'all.
I have been accused of not doing any research.
Y'all will know better than me how many Raytheon employees were murdered on 9/11. Ostensibly/allegedly as passengers on the four 'hijacked' planes.

 

[8den]

I'll show you proof of that, when you show me proof that Iran wants nuclear weapons.

They've been cited for attempting Uranium Enrichment, and making Uranium into a sphere both of which are only necessary if they plan on making a nuclear weapon.

 

[Rolfe]

• Cold steel is pretty well impossible to make horeshoes out of.
• Molten steel isn't going to be a lot of use either.
• Steel hot enough to be soft enough to bend (red verging on white hot) but not so hot that it loses its basic shape is good for forging hoseshoes.
• To forge a horseshoe you heat the bar of steel to that temperature in a fire, so that you can make it bend under pressure and take on the familiar shape.
• The pressure is usually applied by means of a hammer, but other methods could be employed too.
• For example, you could support the steel only at either end, and put a load (weight) on it, and it would bend just the same way.

Anyone have any problems with this?

Agreeing that the steel beams in the WTC towers were thicker than horseshoe blanks, we also have to agree that the weight on them was a great deal more than a smith could apply with a hammer.

Why couldn't the beams have been hot enough to bend, again?

And if they couldn't have bent at the temperature of a fire, why bother fireproofing them? Especially when it might have meant employing dangerous materials like asbestos?

I'm still waiting.

Rolfe.

 

[Minadin]

Here's a question for y'all.
I have been accused of not doing any research.
Y'all will know better than me how many Raytheon employees were murdered on 9/11. Ostensibly/allegedly as passengers on the four 'hijacked' planes.

Oddly enough, exactly 0 members of the architecture firm I work for, or even any of their close relatives, were victims of the attacks; neither on the planes, nor in the buildings. I suppose that incriminates us as well.

I wonder how many other companies in the US and worldwide suffered no losses that day. As far as I can tell, Raytheon is one of them, but, I suspect that they're just one of a very large number who can luckily say the same.

It seems rather fallacious to imply complicity on the part of everyone who was a non-victim, and make no mistake, that is what you are doing. I'm not sure specifically whether it's a loaded question, a hasty generalization, false premise, or some combination of those and other fallacies. Perhaps one of our resident expert logicians will narrow it down for us.

 

[SOMERLED]

They've been cited for attempting Uranium Enrichment, and making Uranium into a sphere both of which are only necessary if they plan on making a nuclear weapon.

Cited = what? and cited by whom?
Furthermore, what has this got to do with you?

 

[AZCat]

Oddly enough, exactly 0 members of the architecture firm I work for, or even any of their close relatives, were victims of the attacks; neither on the planes, nor in the buildings. I suppose that incriminates us as well.

I wonder how many other companies in the US and worldwide suffered no losses that day. As far as I can tell, Raytheon is one of them, but, I suspect that they're just one of a very large number who can luckily say the same.

It seems rather fallacious to imply complicity on the part of everyone who was a non-victim, and make no mistake, that is what you are doing. I'm not sure specifically whether it's a loaded question, a hasty generalization, false premise, or some combination of those and other fallacies. Perhaps one of our resident expert logicians will narrow it down for us.

Actually four Raytheon employees were on the planes hijacked on September 11th: Two on AA 11, one on UA 175, and one on AA 77.

 

[SOMERLED]

Oddly enough, exactly 0 members of the architecture firm I work for, or even any of their close relatives, were victims of the attacks; neither on the planes, nor in the buildings. I suppose that incriminates us as well.

I wonder how many other companies in the US and worldwide suffered no losses that day. As far as I can tell, Raytheon is one of them, but, I suspect that they're just one of a very large number who can luckily say the same.

It seems rather fallacious to imply complicity on the part of everyone who was a non-victim, and make no mistake, that is what you are doing. I'm not sure specifically whether it's a loaded question, a hasty generalization, false premise, or some combination of those and other fallacies. Perhaps one of our resident expert logicians will narrow it down for us.

If I told you that two senior Raytheon executives were murdered on that day.
As you say, out of all the firms in the world, what are the odds of two Raytheon high execs getting murdered?

 

[SOMERLED]

I guess you don't know the difference between truth and "Truth." The truth is based on facts and reality. The "Truth" is based on speculation, congecture and lies. We know the truth. You only know the "Truth."

There is only one truth and try as you will, you can not get beyond it.

 

[SOMERLED]

One.



You are certainly getting a message across. However, you might want to think long and hard about what that message actually is.

My message is that 9/11 was an inside job and justice is going to be served in the matter, in spages.

 

[GlennB]

They've been cited for attempting Uranium Enrichment, and making Uranium into a sphere both of which are only necessary if they plan on making a nuclear weapon.

I thought they used wedge-shaped bits - fired together to make a sphere(ish) critical mass - to make atomic bombs? Spheres sound dangerous to me

And I'm fairly sure some degree of enrichment is needed to make fuel rods ...

 

[SOMERLED]

Actually four Raytheon employees were on the planes hijacked on September 11th: Two on AA 11, one on UA 175, and one on AA 77.

You are nearly right, but why quibble?
Now kindly tell me, out of all the firms in the world, do you find it the slightest bit odd that 'four' people who were in a position to know the truth of what Raytheon were capable of, were murdered on 9/11?

 

[yodaluver28]

If I told you that two senior Raytheon executives were murdered on that day.
As you say, out of all the firms in the world, what are the odds of two Raytheon high execs getting murdered?

Raytheon employees killed on 9/11:

Peter Gay. He was Vice President of Operations. He died on Flight 11, while on his way to a meeting in California with two other employees, senior mechanical engineer David Kolvacin and senior quality control engineer Kenneth Waldie.

The fourth Raytheon employee killed was Stanley Hall, director of program management who was on Flight 77, also travelling on business.


If you want to talk about odds, TJX lost 7 employees that day, all on Flight 11. Where they "in on it" too? I guess that is possible. I know that I always have a weird The-NWO-is-watching-me feeling everytime I walk into a TJ-MAXX or Marshalls. And there was a manager who worked for The Gap who died on Flight 175, maybe both companies were in on it together? That's it!

 

[A W Smith]

If I told you that two senior Raytheon executives were murdered on that day.
As you say, out of all the firms in the world, what are the odds of two Raytheon high execs getting murdered?

if a conspiracy was compartmentalized why murder the execs and not those involved directly in said conspiracy? My brother in law is a Raytheon engineer and hes still alive.

 

[Myriad]

What are the odds...?

The probability of a single event that happened is 1.0 (100%).

So perhaps what you really mean to ask is, what are the odds of a comparable event happening under comparable conditions. That is, given a number of airline passengers murdered, what is the probability that two or more of them will be executives from the same large (let's say, Fortune 500) company?

There were 213 passengers murdered.

Let's estimate that a mere 15% of the passengers on those planes were executives from Fortune 500 companies. That's 32 Fortune 500 executives.

Let's also say that which company each executive worked for was random. That is, there were no business meetings or conventions or business cycles in effect that would have made it more likely than mere chance alone that multiple executives from the same company would be flying that day.

The probability of all 32 executives working for different companies is then

500/500 * 499/500 * 498/500 * ... * 470/500 * 469/500
= 0.36924

The probability that at least one Fortune 500 company lost at least two executives is 1.0 - 0.36294 = 0.63706, or just under 64%.

Glad to be of service.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[DGM]

If I told you that two senior Raytheon executives were murdered on that day.
As you say, out of all the firms in the world, what are the odds of two Raytheon high execs getting murdered?

Let's see the odds on something that already happened. 1:1

 

[SOMERLED]

The probability of a single event that happened is 1.0 (100%).

So perhaps what you really mean to ask is, what are the odds of a comparable event happening under comparable conditions. That is, given a number of airline passengers murdered, what is the probability that two or more of them will be executives from the same large (let's say, Fortune 500) company?

There were 213 passengers murdered.

Let's estimate that a mere 15% of the passengers on those planes were executives from Fortune 500 companies. That's 32 Fortune 500 executives.

Let's also say that which company each executive worked for was random. That is, there were no business meetings or conventions or business cycles in effect that would have made it more likely than mere chance alone that multiple executives from the same company would be flying that day.

The probability of all 32 executives working for different companies is then

500/500 * 499/500 * 498/500 * ... * 470/500 * 469/500
= 0.36924

The probability that at least one Fortune 500 company lost at least two executives is 1.0 - 0.36294 = 0.63706, or just under 64%.

Glad to be of service.

Respectfully,
Myriad

Where do you get this stuff from?