Bush to commute Libby prison sentence

So this pinhead didn't remember. Says a lot for the recruitment process in Dick's office. Bull, he lied, committed perjury and was convicted, and ain't going to serve the same time as Martha Stewart, who wasn't a farking traitor.
 
Yep. A hotshot mayor of San Antonio who got into Clinton's cabinet, and then ended up shooting himself in the political foot and disappearing from the national political scene. IIRC, it had to do with a sexual pecadillo, and perhaps an obstruction of justice, but memory is fading.

ETA

Had to go to the archives:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/cisneros/keystories.htm


DR

You left out the part where he got a full pardon. Same charge as Libby. Both parties do it. Get over it. But that won't happen. Now more time will be wasted with another investigation that will conclude nothing.
 
That this constitutes treason is therefore a reasonable position, though it might be tough to prosecute as such.
Treason? As I understand you, breaching national security in a substantive way is treason? Thus, James Earl Carter should have been charged with treason blowing the TS and above classification on the Stealth program. (1979)

A simple breach of the laws and regulations for handling intelligence activities and classified information is a sufficient charge. Treason hardly enters into it.

Put another way: to what foreign power did Libby betray his country?

DR
 
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Grrrrrrr, double post.

Painter:

Cisneros' pardon is rather small beer, compared to Rich and FALN pardons.

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The beat goes on....



John M. Deutch
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John Mark Deutch (born July 27, 1938) was United States Deputy Secretary of Defense from 1994 to 1995 and Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) from May 10, 1995 until December 14, 1996. He is presently an Institute Professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and serves on the Board of Directors of Citigroup, Cummins, Raytheon, and Schlumberger Ltd.

Deutch was born in Brussels, Belgium, to a Russian Jewish father. He earned a bachelor's degree in History and Economics from Amherst College. In 1961, he earned an B.S. degree in Chemical Engineering and, in 1966, he earned a PhD in Chemistry, both from MIT. He holds honorary degrees from Amherst College, University of Massachusetts at Lowell, and Northeastern University. From 1977 to 1980, he served in several positions for the U.S. Department of Energy: as Director of Energy Research, Acting Assistant Secretary for Energy Technology, and Undersecretary of the Department. He continued to serve on various government committees throughout the 1980s and early 1990s. He served as the provost of MIT from 1985 - 1990.

In 1995, President Bill Clinton appointed him Director of Central Intelligence. However, Deutch was initially reluctant to accept the appointment. As head of the CIA, Deutch continued the policy of his predecessor R. James Woolsey to declassify records pertaining to U.S. covert operations during the Cold War.[1] He put restraints on what he considered to be politically incorrect agent recruitment and sought to encourage more diversity at the Agency in order to include more women and minorities in its ranks.[2]

Soon after Deutch's departure from the CIA in 1996 it was revealed that classified materials were being kept on several of Deutch's laptop computers designated as unclassified. In January of 1997, the CIA began a formal security investigation of the matter. Senior management at CIA declined to fully pursue the security breach. Over two years after his departure, the matter was referred to the Department of Justice, where Attorney General Janet Reno declined prosecution. She did, however, recommend an investigation to determine whether Deutch should retain his security clearance.[3] President Clinton pardoned Deutch on his last day in office.
 
Just wondering how that idiot Ollie North and also the dog's master's "I do not recall" fits into all of this. Someone want to do Arms-To-Iran?
 
Hmmmm, not sure where you got that from. He was after whoever had violated the IIPA, and when Libby perjured himself, there was about zero chance he was going to find out who that was. That's why perjury is a crime.

Not according to the Nigeriens (that's the term for people from Niger, as opposed to "Nigerians" who are from Nigeria).

No. It has been shown that she might have suggested him as a good person to send to someone in a position to suggest it higher, no more.

That she had worked as a covert officer of the Central Intelligence Agency is not in question. The only question is whether she was covert at the time her identity was revealed, and there are conflicting reports; apparently she intended to go back to it, if she had even left; her lawsuit states that her career was ruined, and it's hard to say that it's ruined unless she fully intended to go back to it, and was eligible to do so. Whatever those conflicts might have consisted of, it has to be clear to anyone that blowing her prior status, if in fact she was no longer covert, would also blow any agent (which is a term of art that means a source of information who delivers it to an intelligence officer, not the officer, this is frequently mistaken in popular accounts) she might have earlier developed. Since she worked covertly gathering information about nuclear weapons proliferation, the subject matter such agents could deliver is of the utmost importance to national security. That this constitutes treason is therefore a reasonable position, though it might be tough to prosecute as such.

It's reasonable to say so, and it might be reasonable to assume that in fact Libby did have knowledge of that status and therefore committed a felony in disclosing it, and the person he was protecting by his perjury was himself. He could have taken the Fifth, he could have asked for immunity, instead he chose to obstruct justice and perjure himself. It is, however, unreasonable to assume that because a judge makes statements about his private opinions he has allowed those opinions to influence his judgment; judges are specifically required not to do so, and to accuse one of doing so without proof is not just a really great idea. Judges have been appointed to the Supreme Court that were assumed to be "ideologically motivated" in one direction or another and have proven to be assets to the court, clearly not allowing such considerations to affect their judgments. Has it struck you that perhaps you might have made an incorrect assumption about what you think you heard him say, particularly considering that despite the overwhelming motive for doing so, apparently no right-wing pundit has picked up on it?

Unfortunately it is also a choice that has a number of sinister ramifications; for example, he cannot testify before Congress because he has an appeal pending, an appeal that he would not need to continue if he were pardoned. Most convenient, wouldn't you say?



From the Senate Intelligence Report

Intelligence
[Table of Contents]


B. Former Ambassador

( )Officials from the CIA's DO Counterproliferation Division (CPD) told Committee staff that in response to questions from the Vice President's Office and the Departments of State and Defense on the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal, CPD officials discussed ways to obtain additional information. who could make immediate inquiries into the reporting, CPD decided to contact a former ambassador to Gabon who had a posting early in his career in Niger.

( )Some CPD officials could not recall how the office decided to contact the former ambassador, however, interviews and documents provided to the Committee indicate that his wife, a CPD employee, suggested his name for the trip. The CPD reports officer told Committee staff that the former ambassador's wife "offered up his name" and a memorandum to the Deputy Chief of the CPD on February 12, 2002, from the former ambassador's wife says, "my husband has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." This was just one day before CPD sent a cable DELETED requesting concurrence with CPD's idea to send the former ambassador to Niger and requesting any additional information from the foreign government service on their uranium reports. The former ambassador's wife told Committee staff that when CPD decided it would like to send the former ambassador to Niger, she approached her husband on behalf of the CIA and told him "there's this crazy report" on a purported deal for Niger to sell uranium to Iraq.

( )The former ambassador had traveled previously to Niger on the CIA's behalf . The former ambassador was selected for the 1999 trip after his wife mentioned to her supervisors that her husband was planning a business trip to Niger in the near future and might be willing to use his contacts in the region . Because the former ambassador did not uncover any information about DELETED during this visit to Niger, CPD did not distribute an intelligence report on the visit.

(U) On February 18, 2002, the embassy in Niger disseminated a cable which reported that the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal "provides sufficient detail to warrant another hard look at Niger's uranium sales. The names of GON [government of Niger] officials cited in the report track closely with those we know to be in those, or closely-related positions. However, the purported 4,000-ton annual production listed is fully 1,000 tons more than the mining companies claim to have produced in 2001." The report indicated that the ambassador had met with the Nigerien Foreign Minister to ask for an unequivocal assurance that Niger had stuck to its commitment not to sell uranium to rogue states. The cable also noted that in September 2001 the Nigerien Prime Minister had told embassy personnel that there were buyers like Iraq who would pay more for Niger's uranium than France, but the Prime Minister added, "of course Niger cannot sell to them." The cable concluded that despite previous assurances from Nigerien officials that no uranium would be sold to rogue nations, "we should not dismiss out of hand the possibility that some scheme could be, or has been, underway to supply Iraq with yellowcake from here." The cable also suggested raising the issue with the French, who control the uranium mines in Niger, despite France's solid assurances that no uranium could be diverted to rogue states.

(U) On February 19, 2002, CPD hosted a meeting with the former ambassador, intelligence analysts from both the CIA and INR, and several individuals from the DO's Africa and CPD divisions. The purpose of the meeting was to discuss the merits of the former ambassador traveling to Niger. An INR analyst's notes indicate that the meeting was "apparently convened by [the former ambassador's] wife who had the idea to dispatch [him] to use his contacts to sort out the Iraq-Niger uranium issue." The former ambassador's wife told Committee staff that she only attended the meeting to introduce her husband and left after about three minutes.


The CIA has told Committee staff that the former ambassador did not have a "formal" security clearance but had been given an "operational clearance" up to the Secret level for the purposes of his potential visit to Niger.

( )On February 20, 2002, CPD provided the former ambassador with talking points for his use with contacts in Niger. The talking points were general, asking officials if Niger had been approached, conducted discussions, or entered into any agreements concerning uranium transfers with any "countries of concern" . The talking points also focused on whether any uranium might be missing from Niger or might have been transferred and asked how Niger accounts for all of its uranium each year. The talking points did not refer to the specific reporting on the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal, did not mention names or dates from the reporting, and did not mention that there was any such deal being reported in intelligence channels. DO officials told Committee staff that they promised the former ambassador that they would keep his relationship with CIA confidential, but did not ask the former ambassador to do the same and did not ask him to sign a confidentiality or non-disclosure [/QUOTE]





On February 26, 2002, the former ambassador arrived in Niger. He told Committee staff that he first met with Ambassador Owens-Kirkpatrick to discuss his upcoming meetings. Ambassador Owens-Kirkpatrick asked him not to meet with current Nigerien officials because she believed it might complicate her continuing diplomatic efforts with them on the uranium issue. The former ambassador agreed to restrict his meetings to former officials and the private sector



(U) The intelligence report based on the former ambassador's trip was disseminated on March 8, 2002. The report did not identify the former ambassador by name or as a former ambassador, but described him as "a contact with excellent access who does not have an established reporting record." The report also indicted that the "subsources of the following information knew their remarks could reach the U.S. government and may have intended to influence as well as inform." DO officials told Committee staff that this type of description was routine and was done in order to protect the former ambassador as the source of the information, which they had told him they would do. DO officials also said they alerted WINPAC analysts when the report was being disseminated because they knew the "high priority of the issue." The report was widely distributed in routine channels.

( )The intelligence report indicated that former Nigerien Prime Minister Ibrahim Mayaki was unaware of any contracts that had been signed between Niger and any rogue states for the sale of yellowcake while he was Prime Minister (1997-1999) or Foreign Minister (1996-1997). Mayaki said that if there had been any such contract during his tenure, he would have been aware of it. Mayaki said, however, that in June 1999,( ) businessman, approached him and insisted that Mayaki meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq. The intelligence report said that Mayaki interpreted "expanding commercial relations" to mean that the delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales. The intelligence report also said that "although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to the UN sanctions on Iraq."




(U) The intelligence report based on the former ambassador's trip was disseminated on March 8, 2002. The report did not identify the former ambassador by name or as a former ambassador, but described him as "a contact with excellent access who does not have an established reporting record." The report also indicted that the "subsources of the following information knew their remarks could reach the U.S. government and may have intended to influence as well as inform." DO officials told Committee staff that this type of description was routine and was done in order to protect the former ambassador as the source of the information, which they had told him they would do. DO officials also said they alerted WINPAC analysts when the report was being disseminated because they knew the "high priority of the issue." The report was widely distributed in routine channels.

( )The intelligence report indicated that former Nigerien Prime Minister Ibrahim Mayaki was unaware of any contracts that had been signed between Niger and any rogue states for the sale of yellowcake while he was Prime Minister (1997-1999) or Foreign Minister (1996-1997). Mayaki said that if there had been any such contract during his tenure, he would have been aware of it. Mayaki said, however, that in June 1999,( ) businessman, approached him and insisted that Mayaki meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq. The intelligence report said that Mayaki interpreted "expanding commercial relations" to mean that the delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales. The intelligence report also said that "although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to the UN sanctions on Iraq."

( )The intelligence report also said that Nicter's former Minister for Energy and Mines ( ), Mai Manga, stated that there were no sales outside of International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) channels since the mid-1980s. He knew of no contracts signed between Niger and any rogue states for the sale of uranium. He said that an Iranian delegation was interested in purchasing 400 tons of yellowcake from Niger in 1998, but said that no contract was ever signed with Iran. Mai Manga also described how the French mining consortium controls Nigerien uranium mining and keeps the uranium very tightly controlled from the time it is mined until the time it is loaded onto ships in Benin for transport overseas. Mai Manga believed it would be difficult, if not impossible, to arrange a special shipment of uranium to a pariah state given these controls.

(U) In an interview with Committee staff, the former ambassador was able to provide more information about the meeting between former Prime Minister Mayaki and the Iraqi delegation. The former ambassador said that Mayaki did meet with the Iraqi delegation but never discussed what was meant by "expanding commercial relations."The former ambassador said that because Mayaki was wary of discussing any trade issues with a country under United Nations (UN) sanctions, he made a successful effort to steer the conversation away from a discussion of trade with the Iraqi delegation.

( )When the former ambassador spoke to Committee staff, his description of his findings differed from the DO intelligence report and his account of information provided to him by the CIA differed from the CIA officials' accounts in some respects. First, the former ambassador described his findings to Committee staff as more directly related to Iraq and, specifically, as refuting both the possibility that Niger could have sold uranium to Iraq and that Iraq approached Niger to purchase uranium. The intelligence report described how the structure of Niger's uranium mines would make it difficult, if not impossible, for Niger to sell uranium to rouge nations, and noted that Nigerien officials denied knowledge of any deals to sell uranium to any rogue states, but did not refute the possibility that Iraq had approached Niger to purchase uranium. Second, the former ambassador said that he discussed with his CIA contacts which names and signatures should have appeared on any documentation of a legitimate uranium transaction. In fact, the intelligence report made no mention of the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal or signatures that should have appeared on any documentation of such a deal. The only mention of Iraq in the report pertained to the meeting between the Iraqi delegation and former Prime Minister Mayaki. Third, the former ambassador noted that his CIA contacts told him there were documents pertaining to the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium transaction and that the source of the information was the intelligence service. The DO reports officer told Committee staff that he did not provide the former ambassador with any information about the source or details of the original reporting as it would have required sharing classified information and, noted that there were no "documents" circulating in the IC at the time of the former ambassador's trip, only intelligence reports from intelligence regarding an alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal. Meeting notes and other correspondence show that details of the reporting were discussed at the February 19, 2002 meeting, but none of the meeting participants recall telling the former ambassador the source of the report

(U) The former ambassador also told Committee staff that he was the source of a Washington Post article ("CIA Did Not Share Doubt on Iraq Data; Bush Used Report of Uranium Bid," June 12, 2003) which said, "among the Envoy's conclusions was that the documents may have been forged because `the dates were wrong and the names were wrong." Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the "dates were wrong and the names were wrong" when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports. The former ambassador said that he may have "misspoken" to the reporter when he said he concluded the documents were "forged." He also said he may have become confused about his own recollection after the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reported in March 2003 that the names and dates on the documents were not correct and may have thought he had seen the names himself. The former ambassador reiterated that he had been able to collect the names of the government officials which should have been on the documents.

(U) The former ambassador told Committee staff that he had no direct knowledge of how the information he provided was handled by the CIA, but, based on his previous government experience, he believed that the report would have been distributed to the White House and that the Vice President received a direct response to his question about the possible uranium deal. He said,

"Whether or not there was a specific response to the specific question the Vice President asked I don't know for a fact, other than to know, having checked with my own memory when I was in the White House at the National Security Council . . . any time an official who is senior enough to ask that question, that official was, senior enough to have a very specific response. The question then becomes whether the response came back as a telephone call, a non-paper - in other words, talking points - or orally briefed, or a specific cable in addition to the more general report that is circulated."

( ) The CIA's DO gave the former ambassador's information a grade of "good," which means that it added to the IC's body of understanding on the issue, ( ). The possible grades are unsatisfactory, satisfactory, good, excellent, and outstanding, which, according to the Deputy Chief of CPD, are very subjective. SENTENCE DELETED The reports officer said that a "good" grade was merited because the information responded to at least some of the outstanding questions in the Intelligence Community, but did not provide substantial new information. He said he judged that the most important fact in the report was that the Nigerien officials admitted that the Iraqi delegation had traveled there in 1999, and that the Nigerien Prime Minister believed the Iraqis were interested in purchasing uranium, because this provided some confirmation of foreign government service reporting.

(U) IC analysts had a fairly consistent response to the intelligence report based on the former ambassador's trip in that no one believed it added a great deal of new information to the Iraq-Niger uranium story. An INR analyst said when he saw the report he believed that it corroborated the INR's position, but said that the "report could be read in different ways." He said the report was credible, but did not give it a lot of attention because he was busy with other things.
(U) DIA and CIA analysts said that when they saw the intelligence report they did not believe that it supplied much new information and did not think that it clarified the story on the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal. They did not find Nigerien denials that they had discussed uranium sales with Iraq as very surprising because they had no expectation that Niger would admit to such an agreement if it did exist. The analysts did, however, find it interesting that the former Nigerien Prime Minister said an Iraqi delegation had visited Niger for what he believed was to discuss uranium sales.

(U) Because CIA analysts did not believe that the report added any new information to clarify the issue, they did not use the report to produce any further analytical products or highlight the report for policymakers. For the same reason, CIA's briefer did not brief the Vice President on the report, despite the Vice President's previous questions about the issue



http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/congress/2004_rpt/iraq-wmd-intell_chapter2-b.htm
 
Just wondering how that idiot Ollie North and also the dog's master's "I do not recall" fits into all of this. Someone want to do Arms-To-Iran?

it really seems to have helped the meme that reagan was tough on iran along...although what he actually did was bend over and grab his ankles.
 
One thing's for sure - this is the first sentence Bush has ended coherently.
 
Better a witty fool than a foolish wit.
-- [Feste. Act 1, scene 5] Twelfth Night --

When you morph from the latter into the former, I might become a fan.


But, say, it is my humour: is it answer'd?
What if my house be troubled with a rat
And I be pleased to give ten thousand ducats
To have it baned? What, are you answer'd yet?
Some men there are love not a gaping pig;
Some, that are mad if they behold a cat;
And others, when the bagpipe sings i' the nose,
Cannot contain their urine: for affection,
Mistress of passion, sways it to the mood
Of what it likes or loathes. Now, for your answer:
As there is no firm reason to be render'd,
Why he cannot abide a gaping pig;
Why he, a harmless necessary cat;
Why he, a woollen bagpipe; but of force
Must yield to such inevitable shame
As to offend, himself being offended

William Shakespeare
-The Merchant of Venice
 
Treason? As I understand you, breaching national security in a substantive way is treason? Thus, James Earl Carter should have been charged with treason blowing the TS and above classification on the Stealth program. (1979)

A simple breach of the laws and regulations for handling intelligence activities and classified information is a sufficient charge. Treason hardly enters into it.

Put another way: to what foreign power did Libby betray his country?

DR
Carter didn't reveal technical details about the stealth project. In fact, the announcement of the project was done by the Secretary of Defense at the time, Harold Brown. Whether the mere information that the program existed compromised its security is a matter of debate; it could probably get hot again after all this time, considering Desert One still stirs some (like me, for instance- I've never gotten over the fact that Ollie North, Richard Secord, and Albert Hakim were all involved in Desert One, and Ollie and Secord, and for that matter for a time Hakim, did far better afterward than should really be the case for someone working on such a spectacular failure. Then there's the fact that Hakim's death was under questionable circumstances... but that's another subject). After Carter's miserable record on national security and defense, it was probably a factor in Reagan's victory in the election; perhaps a major one. But again, technical details of how the technology worked (and they were interesting, when we finally found out about them later) were not released.

In this case, the revelation that Valerie Plame was a covert officer of the CIA has to have had far worse effects. The details of the Stealth weren't available; but you can bet that any government looking at nuclear weapons technology is savvy enough to keep track of who foreigners have contact with, and anyone that Valerie Plame spent much time with is a pretty obvious automatic suspect.

But keep in mind Plame wasn't the only one revealed; this particular revelation also unearthed a covert operation by the CIA called Brewster-Jennings, and in the same way as with Plame blew all the people who had done anti-proliferation espionage for the CIA using it as a cover. So we're not just talking about blowing one officer, we're talking about an entire cover organization, and I bet a lot of people got real busy tracking down who used Brewster-Jennings credentials real quick when that particular item hit the airwaves. We're talking about an entire operation, with possibly scores or even hundreds of agents involved, and perhaps a score of officers. All of it now fully visible to the very people the espionage was directed against. This is a catastrophe, and I conjecture that none of the people in the intelligence apparatus of the US has any trust or sympathy for any organ of this administration. I certainly would not, having watched that ... well, that old expression with "cluster" in it comes to mind.

And what was the motive? To get revenge on a political opponent. Nothing more or less. The epitome of betraying your country for personal interests, and the basest of personal interests at that. Carter at least has the excuse he was seeking something of value; and he didn't reveal any technical details. These guys revealed all the details, and for nothing but revenge. So you tell me. Does that rise to the level of treason? I think a serious argument can be made.
 
What Schneibster failed to mention is that Brewster-Jennings was ostensibly in the energy consulting biz and, as such, had international contacts around the world on energy projects. More specifically, it had working relationships in Iran.

So when the "firm" was blown, we lost insider information on the status of Iran's nuclear program...right at the time that such information was critical to the Administration's formulation and conduct of our international relations with Iran.

For me, the situation seems directly analogous to the Iraq/WMD issue. There were inspectors on the ground gathering information when the Bush Administration said, essentially, "Get out of there, we don't want your information, we're going to war." With the outing of Plame, the Bush Administration said, essentially, "We don't want your information, we're planning our Iran policy without it."

I don't know that such actions were treasonous but, as Schniebster says, a reasonable case can be made. But I will assert without hesitation that such actions were dumb, dumb, dumb.
 
What Schneibster failed to mention is that Brewster-Jennings was ostensibly in the energy consulting biz and, as such, had international contacts around the world on energy projects. More specifically, it had working relationships in Iran.

So when the "firm" was blown, we lost insider information on the status of Iran's nuclear program...right at the time that such information was critical to the Administration's formulation and conduct of our international relations with Iran.

For me, the situation seems directly analogous to the Iraq/WMD issue. There were inspectors on the ground gathering information when the Bush Administration said, essentially, "Get out of there, we don't want your information, we're going to war." With the outing of Plame, the Bush Administration said, essentially, "We don't want your information, we're planning our Iran policy without it."

I don't know that such actions were treasonous but, as Schniebster says, a reasonable case can be made. But I will assert without hesitation that such actions were dumb, dumb, dumb.

http://www.answers.com/topic/brewster-jennings-associates



A spokeswoman for Dun & Bradstreet, a New Jersey operator of commercial databases, said Brewster Jennings was first entered into its records on May 22, 1994, but wouldn't discuss the source of the filing. Its records list the company, at 101 Arch St., Boston, Massachusetts, as a "legal services office," which could mean a law firm, with annual sales of $60,000, one employee, and a chief executive identified as "Victor Brewster, Partner." [2]
 
I heard something really interesting just now on Hardball. David Schuster just said something really interesting while interviewing Fouad Ajami, an... individual... who wrote a column in the Wall Street Journal that compared Libby to soldiers dying in Iraq. Schuster of course shreds the dude big-time, but while he's just getting his teeth sunk into the guy, he states (and I'm looking for a second source, and poking around after the trial transcripts) that it seems that Richard Armitage had the document that had Valerie Plame's name on it in his hands because....

wait for it...

Scooter Libby asked the Department of State for any information they had on her. And Richard Armitage was detailed to get that information for him. By his superiors at the Department of State. AND LIBBY ASKED BECAUSE CHENEY TOLD HIM TO.

If a transcript of the trial exists on line I will have it and I will find out, and I will post a link to it here. I have that Hardball on TiVO; I have just rerun him saying it again, to be sure I heard what I thought. The transcript of the show will be available on Monday. Keep your speculation to yourself. Let's have DATA. A preliminary google tells me it's not an item on many agendas. I'll be searching for a while.

ETA: To be absolutely clear, Schuster states that Armitage saw the information because Libby asked for it; that implies that Armitage was tasked with getting it, or with vetting it before it was handed over. Schuster did not claim that Dick Cheney told Libby to ask for it; but guess what I found on this very thread? A claim that Cheney was inquiring into Plame's movements and antecedents. And I'll bet I can substantiate that claim. :D
 
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http://www.answers.com/topic/brewster-jennings-associates



A spokeswoman for Dun & Bradstreet, a New Jersey operator of commercial databases, said Brewster Jennings was first entered into its records on May 22, 1994, but wouldn't discuss the source of the filing. Its records list the company, at 101 Arch St., Boston, Massachusetts, as a "legal services office," which could mean a law firm, with annual sales of $60,000, one employee, and a chief executive identified as "Victor Brewster, Partner." [2]

Yes, Texas, I found that quote as well...and gave it little credence. If the CIA is going to set up a front organization, do you really think they will tell D&B the real story. In fact, I would expect that having a sham D&B listing would be a top priority item.

Notice that the quote says, "...could mean..." These weasel words suggest that the quote has no substantive value at all.

That said, I recognize this is CT thinking....nothing is really as it seems. So I will acknowledge that B-J might be simply what D&B says it is. But I will not discount other possibilities. And given that the whole issue is wrapped up in covert operations I doubt either of us can make a convincing case for our perspective.
 
I doubt either of us can make a convincing case for our perspective.


How about what Hunter S. Thompson wrote after Ford pardoned Nixon in 1974?

“Well... this is going to be difficult. That sold-out knucklehead refugee from a 1969 ‘Mister Clean’ TV commercial has just done what only the most cynical and paranoid kind of malcontent ever connected with national politics would have dared to predict...

“If I followed my better instincts right now, I would put this typewriter in the Volvo and drive to the home of the nearest politician -- any politician -- and hurl the goddamned machine through his front window ... flush the bugger out with an act of lunatic violence then soak him down with mace and run him naked down Main Street in Aspen with a bell around his neck and black lumps all over his body from the jolts of a high powered “Ball Buster” cattle prod.

“But old age has either mellowed me or broken my spirit to the point where I will probably not do that -- at least not today, because that blundering dupe in the White House has just plunged me into a deep and vicious hole.”
 
Why fool with answers.com? They're just reprinting Wikipedia.

Pinckus and Allen's article in the Washington Post regarding the leak, published October 4th 2003, says,

"The leak of a CIA operative's name has also exposed the identity of a CIA front company, potentially expanding the damage caused by the original disclosure, Bush administration officials said yesterday."

"After the name of the company was broadcast yesterday, administration officials confirmed that it was a CIA front. "

Are we done now?
 
Why fool with answers.com? They're just reprinting Wikipedia.

Pinckus and Allen's article in the Washington Post regarding the leak, published October 4th 2003, says,

"The leak of a CIA operative's name has also exposed the identity of a CIA front company, potentially expanding the damage caused by the original disclosure, Bush administration officials said yesterday."

"After the name of the company was broadcast yesterday, administration officials confirmed that it was a CIA front. "

Are we done now?

Libby himself testified that Cheney told him to get the information. He also said that Cheney "may have" ordered him to out Valerie Plame, but he couldn't remember.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7260557

You can actually listen to him commit his crimes.

ETA: The timeline was actually that Cheney ordered Libby to find about about Wilson, but before Libby got the info about Plame and went to talk to Cheney, Cheney already knew about Plame and told Libby. Hence, the first Libby heard of Plame was from Cheney, even though the CIA later called Cathy Martin and told her and she told Libby.
 
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I believe that in a grand Jury that your defense lawyer his little or no effect in the proceedings...that`s why there is an old saying in Washington that a grand jury could indict a "Ham Sandwich". It would have been better to quote from the trial transcript.
 

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