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Will Sylvia Browne ever be brought down?

angrybeliever

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As the weeks go by, I keep wondering if all the hard work that all of you have done with finding these horrible examples of how Sylvia Browne has used, abused and betrayed so many people who trusted and have believed in her...will actually finally bring about her downfall.


Patience it seems, isn't the strongest virtue in my makeup. When I had decided to leave NS, I didn't know half or even three-fourths of the information that has been presented here, and at Robert Lancaster's site: Stop Sylvia Browne.com

What bothers me, is that now that I DO KNOW...I can't imagine letting her continue to perpetuate her evilness. I know that others who have left feel the same way.

If only we didn't feel so helpless, and wishing that there was more that we could do, we would probably feel better. Just when I think that the anger and disbelief has somewhat cooled inside my self...something else comes up, and wham....I want her ass again.

So, I ask any of you who have information that Robert Lancaster can use...to please come forward, if you haven't already. Sylvia can not hurt anyone in the light of day.

To any current or X/NS people (who may be reading and not posting)....please join the group of us that is surprisingly growing. It is comforting to hear our stories, and scary to know that we have experienced similiar scenarios, isn't it?

Time to bring down the fraud! Stop Sylvia Browne NOW!


AB
 
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You'll never be able to prove to the true believers that she is a fraud. And if you do somehow manage to do so, they'll just move onto another psychic.
 
angrybeliever said:
To any current or X/NS people (who may be reading and not posting)....please join the group of us that is surprisingly growing. It is comforting to hear our stories, and scary to know that we have experienced similiar scenarios, isn't it?
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You know, this isn't a bad idea. What vexed has said is very true; however, not all believers are true believers. There seems to be a growing number of ex-NS people here, and I think that it would be good for there to be an ex-NS support Forum. I'll post something about it, and see if one of the ex-NSers wants to take it on, and what options (a BBoard system, standard Yahoo! group, etc) the ex-NSers here think would be most beneficial (if, that is, you all want something like that to begin with).
 
vexed said:
You'll never be able to prove to the true believers that she is a fraud. And if you do somehow manage to do so, they'll just move onto another psychic.
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Very true!
Also how angry are you? You have the power! You KNOW what must be done! Listen and obey!
You can free us all!
 
Brattus said:
Very true!
Also how angry are you? You have the power! You KNOW what must be done! Listen and obey!
You can free us all!
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Ok, It's late, and I know that in my old age, around this time of night, the neurons get a little sluggish. I am angry. How angry? Hmm..I don't have a meter...but, it is enough to stand up and try to stop others from making the same uninformed mistake that I made. I am speaking out.

Now...what is it that I "KNOW" must be done? Or, are you as my grandma used to say...just being a brat, brattus? I would welcome any CONSTRUCTIVE help or just comments. Brainteasers must be left to the others of this group that are far more erudite.
 
Think micro not macro:

1) To save one person from spending $750 dollars is progress.
2) To prevent parents of one missing child from seeking wrong information from Browne is progress.
3) To get one long-time supporter to question their dogma is positive.

I don't think Browne will be "taken down" by SSB, but it is helping a few people who want objective facts obtain them.

Making the information about her record available may not end her career, but it does help people.
 
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Jackalgirl said:
You know, this isn't a bad idea. What vexed has said is very true; however, not all believers are true believers. There seems to be a growing number of ex-NS people here, and I think that it would be good for there to be an ex-NS support Forum. I'll post something about it, and see if one of the ex-NSers wants to take it on, and what options (a BBoard system, standard Yahoo! group, etc) the ex-NSers here think would be most beneficial (if, that is, you all want something like that to begin with).
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I like that idea very much. Besides an actual support group, I'd like to hear maybe what led some ex-believers to let go of the belief.

AB, you mention that you didn't know much of the story until reading StopSylviaBrowne.com. Was this before or after you became an "ex"? If it was after, would you mind sharing what led you away from the flock?
 
I understand how frustrating this must be. Never being a follower I guess I can't relate as well as you ex-NS people.

Seeing all the work done on the SSB site and reading everything here. And then seeing the CNN 360 stories makes me so upbeat that there is progress being made. I get all giddy!

Then I start thinking about all these delusional people getting money, hopes and dreams taken away from them, knowing that when she is gone they will just move on to the next psychic. I feel very sad. I feel like "what is the use" they don't learn. Very depressing.

Then again, progress is being made by leaps and bounds. Lancaster's site hasn't even been up a year and look at all the people who are reading it. Also there are many of her ex-followers here that are speaking out. And many more lurking in the background reading the posts, not sure if they should get involved, but all the time learning and thinking.

So I go up and down on this issue. It is a big deal to me, my favorite area in the skeptic world. When she falls, and she will, it will hurt all the psychics. They will be easier to knock down as a result.

Susan
 
vexed said:
You'll never be able to prove to the true believers that she is a fraud.
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I disagree, vexed. I receive several emails a week from people who classified themselves as big-time believers in Browne, who, after reading the site, have decided that she is indeed a fraud.

And if you would say that they were not true believers, you would be heading down the No True Scotsman Fallacy trail...

And if you do somehow manage to do so, they'll just move onto another psychic.
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Some will, but some won't. And regardless, taking her down is still a worthwhile endeavor, in my book.

angrybeliever said:
Ok, It's late, and I know that in my old age, around this time of night, the neurons get a little sluggish. I am angry.
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Of course you are! You're AngryBeliever, after all!

But I think that if you reread brattus' post, you'll see he was aiming that comment at Vexed's post, not yours.
 
RSLancastr said:
I disagree, vexed. I receive several emails a week from people who classified themselves as big-time believers in Browne, who, after reading the site, have decided that she is indeed a fraud.
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This really warms my heart. Thank you. :)
 
It's like some people will never realize their religion is not what it seems.

Those who are capable of accepting the evidence will consider it. That is why it's important to get the evidence out there.

Those that do not wish to observe anything contrary, will continue to live life by the seat of their emotional pants.

We have to try. I was a hardcore woo. But because I was willing to look, a good skeptic's advice turned my world around--for the better.
 
I feel your pain, angrybeliever.

Since SSB.com started, I've often been torn apart with extreme anger and feelings of helplessness to do anything about it.

I think I've contributed just about all I could about SB to this forum...but I doubt that all I've tried to do has prevented so much as a single person from putting their money in her pockets.
 
angrybeliever said:
As the weeks go by, I keep wondering if all the hard work that all of you have done with finding these horrible examples of how Sylvia Browne has used, abused and betrayed so many people who trusted and have believed in her...will actually finally bring about her downfall.


Patience it seems, isn't the strongest virtue in my makeup. When I had decided to leave NS, I didn't know half or even three-fourths of the information that has been presented here, and at Robert Lancaster's site: Stop Sylvia Browne.com

What bothers me, is that now that I DO KNOW...I can't imagine letting her continue to perpetuate her evilness. I know that others who have left feel the same way.

If only we didn't feel so helpless, and wishing that there was more that we could do, we would probably feel better. Just when I think that the anger and disbelief has somewhat cooled inside my self...something else comes up, and wham....I want her ass again.

So, I ask any of you who have information that Robert Lancaster can use...to please come forward, if you haven't already. Sylvia can not hurt anyone in the light of day.

To any current or X/NS people (who may be reading and not posting)....please join the group of us that is surprisingly growing. It is comforting to hear our stories, and scary to know that we have experienced similiar scenarios, isn't it?

Time to bring down the fraud! Stop Sylvia Browne NOW!


AB
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PT Barnum once asserted that "there is a sucker born every minute, and two to take him."

Sylvia seems to be one of those two.

DR
 
Rob, what's the possibility of getting a spot on Oprah?

I mean, if you ask, formally, and she says "No" then that's something that can go on SSB. If she says "Yes" (and if it means publicity then she just might!), the door is open to hit all of America is one swell foop! Just think of all the woos who fawn at Oprah's feet. You had better harden up the SSB server after that!

Incidentally, I happen to tolerate Oprah rather well. She certainly means well, even if she does follow the woo path a bit too much for my liking.
 
EeneyMinnieMoe said:
I think I've contributed just about all I could about SB to this forum...but I doubt that all I've tried to do has prevented so much as a single person from putting their money in her pockets.
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As the stories you have uncovered make it to the SSB site (and one will this week), what you have found will be in front of people it could help. And each of those stories, while they may or may not convince anyone on their own, will be part of a body of evidence which grows more convincing with every article. What you have done will help some people, I am very confident of it.

Zep said:
Rob, what's the possibility of getting a spot on Oprah?
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Dunno, Zep. She recently had that show where she promoted John Edward and Allison Dubois, and gave extremely short shrift to the "token skeptic" she invited on.

Incidentally, I happen to tolerate Oprah rather well. She certainly means well, even if she does follow the woo path a bit too much for my liking.
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I think she means well, and I think she has helped many people.

But I also think that she has harmed many people by promoting psychics and things such as "The Secret."
 
If what I have heard is correct most of the Montel shows where she was on this year were repeats but this time last year they were mostly new shows. Is that correct?

If that is correct then it is massive measurable progress.
 
Well, July is typically a "sweeps" month. So either new shows are going to be shown or they will repeat some immensely popular ones.
 
I believe SB can be "brought down" in that her prestige and influence can be significantly curtailed. I don't think she can ever been completely neutralized, however. Look at Peter Popoff -- could anyone have been more utterly and irrefutably exposed as a cyncical fraud and con man? And yet he still has his followers, perhaps not as many as before, but still substantial.

The need to believe is simply too strong to ever eradicate completely.
 
Stellafane said:
I believe SB can be "brought down" in that her prestige and influence can be significantly curtailed. I don't think she can ever been completely neutralized, however. Look at Peter Popoff -- could anyone have been more utterly and irrefutably exposed as a cyncical fraud and con man? And yet he still has his followers, perhaps not as many as before, but still substantial.

The need to believe is simply too strong to ever eradicate completely.
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I'd have to agree with Stellafane...there are those in "Woo-land" that will believe no matter what; just as those that believe the Earth is really flat, that the moon landings were all a hoax, that Bigfoot is real, that alien beings from other worlds vist us because of some odd anal probing fetish, etc.

Other then reducing her influence, I think "victory" would be when she is discounted by the main-stream media; ie. they are willing to expose her for what she is (a fraud, a con-artist).
 
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