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RE: Pardalis: "anti-semitic garbage"

Oliver said:
See? You're doing it again: "Strawman here" and "Strawman there", if Pardalis dislikes something - we're not going anywhere.
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Yes I truly dislike being put words in my mouth, and as long as you keep doing that, we will get nowhere.
 
Hi Oliver. I'd like to clarify what I believe is a position of yours, based on an earlier thread. It's a simple question, asked in total earnest. The answer might help me determine whether or not to participate in this discussion. It may seem somewhat off-topic, but I can easily see an underlying connection with the OP:

Do you think that, on average, Americans are less intelligent than Europeans?
 
Schneibster said:
Thank you. I am not sure I don't need to say it too, for my country, but history will tell that tale.

I have, and all I see is racism. I'm pretty left-wing, Oliver- I don't tolerate racism well. I don't really care whether someone wants to split hairs over whether Jews are a race or not, either. It's all the same animal to me. And I think it should be to anyone.

I find, as I expected to find in a document that contains that word, racism. I'm not much interested in anything they have to say after that. I don't really care how much of it is true; by descending to racism, they have invalidated anything else they might have to say. If they're interested in what I think of them, they'll get rid of that; then I might listen. Otherwise, not. It's an ideological position, Oliver. There are things I don't like that I will tolerate, and things I don't like I will not, and racism is one I will not.

If you can find another source that doesn't have racism in it, we can talk about it. Otherwise, I'm not much interested if there's racism involved; I don't think anyone who's responsible will, or should, overlook racism.
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Israel is a racist Zionist state and practices racism against the Palestinian people everyday. If you are against racism then why don’t you condemn Israel? I know the answerer. You are only against certain types of racism; in other words you are a hypocrite.
 
MaGZ said:
Israel is a racist Zionist state and practices racism against the Palestinian people everyday. If you are against racism then why don’t you condemn Israel? I know the answerer. You are only against certain types of racism; in other words you are a hypocrite.
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:D

It says something to be attacked by extremists from both sides.

MaGZ and Ion. Two sides of the same coin.
 
RandFan said:
You completly miss his point. There is a good reason to mistrust your link as there is to mistrust whitehouse.gov. That's it.
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I appreciate skepticism - but that doesn't include "I don't give you an honest answer because I completely refuse to look into a communist source.". That's basically what many people in here do. Now this might be a bad, English behavior - but personally I think it's not only childish, but much more ignorant/intolerant. Besides the fact that it's a bad behavior in terms of "Free Speech", isn't it?

Pardalis said:
Yes I truly dislike being put words in my mouth, and as long as you keep doing that, we will get nowhere.
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If my English would be better, sharper and more "filigree", I probably wouldn't have to use strawman to explain a point in a better way for you to understand. :mad:
 
Take this for example Oliver:

MaGZ said:
Israel is a racist Zionist state and practices racism against the Palestinian people everyday. If you are against racism then why don’t you condemn Israel? I know the answerer. You are only against certain types of racism; in other words you are a hypocrite.
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Now, MaGZ is a confirmed neo nazi :http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2731945&postcount=65

who on top of this thinks missiles were used at the WTC.

Maybe what he said in his last post is true, as I do not possess the "Truth", but I am highly skeptical of anything he says and will not accept any of it until I verify it myself.

Do you understand the difference, now Oliver?
 
Oliver said:
I appreciate skepticism - but that doesn't include "I don't give you an honest answer because I completely refuse to look into a communist source.".
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Source?

That's basically what many people in here do.
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Source?

Now this might be a bad, English behavior - but personally I think it's not only childish, but much more ignorant/intolerant. Besides the fact that it's a bad behavior in terms of "Free Speech", isn't it?
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If you will demonstrate to me that someone is doing this I will berate them sternly. I look forward to your sources and I thank you in advance.


If my English would be better, sharper and more "filigree", I probably wouldn't have to use strawman to explain a point in a better way for you to understand. :mad:
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There is a world of understanding in that sentence. Sadly I don't think you understand it, neither do you get the irony.

Thanks :)
 
RandFan said:
MaGZ and Ion. Two sides of the same coin.
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Correct, although I would regard MaGZ as worse and more overt in his racism towards Jews. If you're interested, Ion once extremely bitterly attacked me over several days personally (would be now about 5 years ago on IIDB); he denounced me as a Jew (I'm not) and as a Zionist (I'm not really, I just like to be fair-minded), oh, and also as a pro-American-imperialist. Interesting, isn't it?

As you may imagine, I watched the antics of Ion here with interest, and his eventual getting himself suspended did not sadden me whatsoever. I didn't feel like interrupting him much since he mainly mixed in with the fanatics of the other side, people like Zig and BPSCG, and as far as I'm concerned, they can all tear each other to pieces, and it can be fun to watch.

Bugger all fanatics, and I wish an afterlife did exist, where they could all be confined to one small room together for all eternity. They deserve no less.
 
Pardalis said:
Take this for example Oliver:




Now, MaGZ is a confirmed neo nazi :http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2731945&postcount=65

who on top of this thinks missiles were used at the WTC.

Maybe what he said in his last post is true, as I do not possess the "Truth", but I am highly skeptical of anything he says and will not accept any of it until I verify it myself.

Do you understand the difference, now Oliver?
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Pardalis,

Do you consider all White Nationalists to be neo-nazis?
 
Pardalis said:
Take this for example Oliver:

Now, MaGZ is a confirmed neo nazi :http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2731945&postcount=65

who on top of this thinks missiles were used at the WTC.

Maybe what he said in his last post is true, as I do not possess the "Truth", but I am highly skeptical of anything he says and will not accept any of it until I verify it myself.

Do you understand the difference, now Oliver?
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Does Magz proclaimed nationalsocialistic Agenda should make you sceptical?
Yes, like everything that is new or outlandish for you.

Does Magz's agenda automatically makes his words untrue?
No, that would be the "Different World View-fallacy". (You're pretty good at it)
 
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Gurdur said:
Correct, although I would regard MaGZ as worse and more overt in his racism towards Jews. If you're interested, Ion once extremely bitterly attacked me over several days personally (would be now about 5 years ago on IIDB); he denounced me as a Jew (I'm not) and as a Zionist (I'm not really, I just like to be fair-minded), oh, and also as a pro-American-imperialist. Interesting, isn't it?

As you may imagine, I watched the antics of Ion here with interest, and his eventual getting himself suspended did not sadden me whatsoever. I didn't feel like interrupting him much since he mainly mixed in with the fanatics of the other side, people like Zig and BPSCG, and as far as I'm concerned, they can all tear each other to pieces, and it can be fun to watch.

Bugger all fanatics, and I wish an afterlife did exist, where they could all be confined to one small room together for all eternity. They deserve no less.
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No argument.

I could be completly wrong about him but I would be willing to sit down with Ion for a beer. I think he is simply deluded and passionate but rather harmless. I would not be so willing to meet with MaGZ. Pure speculation on my part BTW.
 
Oliver said:
Does Magz's agenda automatically makes his words untrue?
No, that would be the "Different World View-fallacy". (You're pretty good at it)
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I am very well aware of the argument ad Logicam fallacy.

I never said what he says is untrue, but I am very skeptical of it and do not accept it at face value, especially when he has shown to be a neo nazi.
 
RandFan said:
Nonsensical. How was his answer intolerant? it was a legitimate question. Your answer?
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I said I have problems in English - Pardalis said "that's your problem", implying that he does not care - nor is willing to understand me. But as usual, he has to "open his mouth" whenever I post something nevertheless. You think that isn't intolerant? :confused: Well, maybe it's just "bad breeding" on his side. :)
 
Pardalis said:
Irrelevant as usual.

A mistrust in anything that has an obvious political agenda, regardless of what it is.

ETA: btw I'm not denying anything, that is again a strawman. I'm just being skeptical of certain sources. If "Revolutionary Communist Party" doesn't raise a red flag for you, then you are being naive.
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Are you saying the Revolutionary Communist Party USA is anti-Semitic? I always thought it was a Maoist organization.

Which is worst: a Maoist organization or an anti-Semitic organization?
 
MaGZ said:
Pardalis,

Do you consider all White Nationalists to be neo-nazis?
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Forgive me for answering but I think there are legitimate complaints among many White Nationalists. The problem is that there is too much history of racism, bigotry and hatred and no clear demarcation between various groups. Minority groups have not been in a position to subjugate, segregate and lynch whites in large numbers the way whites have done to blacks.

There is little to be gained for whites to organize along perceived racial lines. We would be much better to seek peaceful coexistence. Any belief that there can be a change in trends of mixing of races is delusional. It's over. Pop culture, government, the military, schools, churches, etc., etc. have only moved in one direction.
 
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