Bush to commute Libby prison sentence

The Painter said:
Check our history. Both parties have done this for decades.
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Oooooooo, bring back the Teapot Dome. Because turning your country into a corrupt ****hole of a joke of a place is just something to be so proud of.

Congratulations, again.
 
Texas said:
Well unless you don't call her being accused of drunkenly killing her boyfriend when she was 17 or being a drugged out Stepford wife. I guess she hasn't been vilified. I don't really know what rope they are giving the Republicans though. It appears to me that the Dem Leadership is too busy fending off the attacks from its own left base.
I do however believe the Dems are acting no different than the Gingrich brigade during the Clinton administration. Clinton was actually a pretty good president and he surly was entertaining. The Republicans did what the Dems are about to do here, they let their irrational hatred of Clinton drive them to self-destruction.
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So you must also think Clinton got railroaded as well, as there was not even anything that you could bring civil charges for in that case. The judges ruling was that even if everything happened as she said, she still had no case.

But then again this is comparing a civil case to a criminal case involving national secrets, and we all know, the civil case is more important that is why Clinton should burn.
 
Gurdur said:
Oooooooo, bring back the Teapot Dome. Because turning your country into a corrupt ****hole of a joke of a place is just something to be so proud of.

Congratulations, again.
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I get the impression that you wouldn’t like my country no matter what we did. We could feed the entire world and bring about world peace and you would still find a reason to hate us. BTW, where do you live? Apparently there is no corruption there.

Congratulations.
 
The Painter said:
I get the impression that you wouldn’t like my country no matter what we did.
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I get the impression you are being intentionally dishonest.
We could feed the entire world and bring about world peace and you would still find a reason to hate us.
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You allege that I "hate" the USA ONLY because I think rule of law should be paramount everywhere, including in the USA, and because IMHO Libby, having confessed to having committed a serious crime, deserves to do the time for doing the crime?
Tell me, what drugs are you on?
BTW, where do you live? Apparently there is no corruption there.
Congratulations.
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You're beginning to crack, aren't you? Now apparently you're driven to defending corruption itself for the sake of your partisan defence of Libby. Way to go. :) You make yourself a joke, but hey, I think most people here have an accurate assessment of you anyway.
 
The thing that really really really really disgusts me about this is all the post quotes....I have not been able to find one republician quote on how this is a bad decision.
 
Naturally if this happened in a country Bush doesn't like say Iran it would be cited as prima facie evidence of corruption.

The Bush administration's legacy is lies and reward for lies - just look at Blair's Congressional Gold medal (untaken as yet).

THis sort of thing makes the US once again look like a banana republic and reduces the readiness of the world to accept Bush telling everyone else to behave properly.
 
The Painter said:
I get the impression that you wouldn’t like my country no matter what we did. We could feed the entire world and bring about world peace and you would still find a reason to hate us. BTW, where do you live? Apparently there is no corruption there.

Congratulations.
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Is lying really now such an embedded American value that you support it in such a demeaning way?
 
RandFan said:
Hey Dave,

You seem pretty strong in your wording. Is it simply that Libby lied or are you also upset with Libby's politics (you mention neocon cronies)?
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Hey RandFan
You appear to have nothing to say about senior republicans lying. Is that because you support lies or because you agree with Libby's politics?
 
When I first heard about the commutation I was upset but, with a little time, I am having a harder time sustaining any outrage. I am not in favor of pardons for the most part, but, all presidents use the power.

And Bush has no repercussions to worry about. Neither he nor Cheney are running for any offices in 2008. Republican candidates will separate themselves from Bush and this commutation will be long forgotten in 2008. Dems trying to use it in campaigns will look foolish as they will be appearing to run against Bush, not the GOP candidates.

I do wish conservatives would stop trying to portray it as a partisan witchhunt when the prosecutor and judge were both appointed by Republicans. It *was* an open and shut case for perjury and obstruction but we will never know the truth of how high up it went. Darn, now I am starting to get outraged again! :) But there is no way Bush would have allowed Libbey to speak freely and possibly bring others in so the commutation was inevitable IMO.

Lurker
 
Lurker said:
Republican candidates will separate themselves from Bush and this commutation will be long forgotten in 2008. Dems trying to use it in campaigns will look foolish as they will be appearing to run against Bush, not the GOP candidates.
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Don't underestimate the "running against Bush" position. Even the Republicans are turning their backs on him. If the Democrats can paint the Republicans as more of the same, and several of them appear to be just that, it could be a very strong position.
 
Upchurch said:
Don't underestimate the "running against Bush" position. Even the Republicans are turning their backs on him. If the Democrats can paint the Republicans as more of the same, and several of them appear to be just that, it could be a very strong position.
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Well, I expect that as the elections rev up, and Bush's popularity dwindles even further that candiates will emphasize their differences from Bush. THe GOP will paint Bush as out of step with conservatism. They alreay are doing it with immigration and will use that issue to paint Bush as an outsider (all of a sudden now that they don't need him anymore!). That is what I would do if I were running the GOP.
 
Interestingly, the GOP tied Gore to Clinton and Gore lost in 2000 despite Al trying to put distance between them. But he was Clinton's VP so it was difficult.

Cheney is not running and of the GOP candidates, I don't see any that have been pictured as a strong Bush partner. None were part of the executive branch and all seem to have plausible deniability on strong relations with Bush.

Lurker
 
Texas said:
GW did not want to be president. The GOP drafted him in 1999.
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I have a real hard time believing the first sentence. All he had to do was "Just Say No." John McCain was electable, Gore need not have won. Bush's inability to communicate was a huge advantage for Gore, who pissed it away. Still puzzled at Dem tactics in 2000.
Jeb was thought to be the next Bush in the Whitehouse. I believe if Bush is impeached and removed he will head back to Crawford with nary a regret.
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My gut says you are right on both accounts.
I have lived under every president since FDR (I was a young child). I have prospered under every one but I have admired very few of them.
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Well said.

DR
 
Whiplash said:
I can't speak for the others, but I know alot of people (like myself) who notice things like those past issues not because we feel it justifies the actions, but because we notice that the people who are the most worked up about what's going on now turned a completely blind eye to those said transgressions, even excused them completely. That seems a bit hypocritical.
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Who are those people? Why not point them out instead of using a tu quoque and then defending it by saying it's aimed at those "people who are the most worked up?"
 
Whiplash said:
Thank you SezMe. To be fair in return, I'll admit that I'm having a hard time condemning the latest actions myself, meaning I am also a hypocrite.

It's not just blind loyalty to my side however, I really don't know alot about this issue. I have seen and heard people who I respect, on both sides of the issue, and it leaves me a bit unsure of what is right or wrong with regards to it. I feel the same way with regards to global warming. I don't know what to think without some time taken studying the issues more closely and learning about things I don't fully understand, like the science of global warming, and the legalities of this entire fiasco.

One good thing that has come about as the result of me joining this forum is that it's causing me to question my convicitions. That can never be a bad thing.
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We need more like you here...and elsewhere. :)
 
I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Jr. is small fry in the Cheney/Bush legacy

Bush's esteem is so low as to be little affected by whatever favor he accords I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Jr. It's only one small, steaming turd in the heap the Cheney/Bush crowd will leave behind. But it does further distract from more important matters.

Obviously, the Iraq debacle and its encouragement of terrorist activity around the globe is the major mess. Just now, we're seeing Bush's political appointees to the Supreme Court beginning to reverse school desegregation. They've been up to other mischief as well. Note that it's all being done by appointees who assured us of their respect for precedent. I guess they have I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Jr.'s problem with remembering.

Anyway, these and other Cheney/Bush machinations will plague us long after I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Jr. has taken a lucrative post in a K Street lobbying firm, whence he can pursue his masters' behest less accessible to public scrutiny.
 
RandFan said:
Hey Dave,

You seem pretty strong in your wording. Is it simply that Libby lied or are you also upset with Libby's politics (you mention neocon cronies)?
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The only thing I am reasonably sure of with regard to the Plame scandal is that Libby lied. His lies were repeated and substantive. He committed a significant crime and he was convicted.

Bush, apparently when he was pretty sure that nobody would ever figure out who did what with regard to the Plame leak, claimed that he thought something seriously wrong had been done. When there was a real chance of figuring out what went on by putting pressure on Libby by sending him to jail, Bush commuted his sentence. That pissed me off and if my words indicated that I was pissed off then they were an accurate representation of what I felt about this.

Once again the Cheney/Rove policies of lawlessness with respect to their own actions has prevailed. And that didn't make me happy either.
 
Well if you are going to be involved in one of the most money grubbing, soldier killing, lawyer having, personal rights stealing regimes in US history then at least you should get a pardon for attempting to deceive us about it. He should get an actor medal for even attempting it. Clinton pardoned a ton of drug dealers and so did Bush Sr. Why is that you ask? Mena Arkansas I say.
 
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