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RE: Pardalis: "anti-semitic garbage"

Oliver said:
You can't deny that the cold war pretty much was a "Look how strong and uncompromisingly we are"-game, wasn't it? Just think about the "communism-paranoia" in the fifties and sixties, that was pretty much ridicolous from todays point of view, wasn't it?
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Nope. It was not ridiculous. It was a conflict of ideologies on "how will the world work?" You may think it ridiculous in hindsight, but those who were working the problems of the time, both in Moscow and in the West, were deadly earnest about their method prevailing on a global scale.
Today it's identical ridicolous. The difference is that the "New Enemy" and "Evildoers" are Jihadists now.
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Nope, it's a different kind of conflict. If you want to say that Bush Team rhetoric is ridiculous, with "Axis of Evil" and "Dead Enders" and some other nonsense, no argument from me.
You really buy that? Watch the US-Commie-Propaganda and rethink your answer.
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I grew up in it, and I lived in it, and thanks, I don't need your distilled scheiss to tell me how the East West propaganda war went on, Oliver.
Americans still believe every BS the Government tells, don't they?
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Nope. Where you constructed that fairy tale I am not sure, but it sounds as though you are cutting and pasting Dylan Avery quotes again.

I suggest you buy a black T-Shirt and join his movement, as he also makes bogus claims of a simplistic, stereotypical and over generalized nature.

Fine for trying to impress 17 year old novices, not worth spit when speaking to people with some depth.

DR
 
JJM 777 said:
I quickly glanced through the lengthy timeline, and it seemed to me quite accurate and moderate. Nothing "anti-Semitic" there.
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If you only cared to follow the conversation, you would have found out that this article is not what I was calling antisemitic garbage. OLiver is mistaken, I was referring to another article in another thread.
 
Oliver said:
You can't deny that the cold war pretty much was a "Look how strong and uncompromisingly we are"-game, wasn't it? Just think about the "communism-paranoia" in the fifties and sixties, that was pretty much ridicolous from todays point of view, wasn't it?
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funny, you yourself are using communist propaganda today:

Oliver said:
So is there anyone in here who is able to debunk these "Facts"?

http://rwor.org/a/v23/1120-29/1125/timeline.htm
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Today it's identical ridicolous. The difference is that the "New Enemy" and "Evildoers" are Jihadists now.
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They are a threat, it doesn't matter how Bush said it, Islamic fundamentalists are a threat. Stop simplifying everything down to Bush. I don't like him, so stop portraying me as his "supporter". It's incredibly dishonest.

You are are in denial about islamic terrorism, even though I've given you lots of examples of their "evil doings" here, here, here, here and here.

Arguing from personal incredulity is a logical fallacy.

Americans still believe every BS the Government tells, don't they?
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And you believe everything your "sources" tell you, and you don't even know who they are. That's what I call a "useful idiot".
 
Oliver said:
Ding Dong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Day_War
" In June 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive attack on Egypt's airforce fearing an imminent invasion by Egypt.[1] "

http://meria.idc.ac.il/journal/1998/issue4/jv2n4a7.html
As a result of these events, U.S. military assistance and arms sales increased significantly,3 and the IDF was increasingly equipped with and dependent on American weapons and technology. In 1967, France had imposed an embargo on sales to Israel, so America became Israel's sole source of platforms and major weapons systems.
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Er you seem to be ignoring a rather glaring point here - in 1967 the Israeli Airforce used fighters modelled on the Mirage. Your media ref merely shows that AFTER 1967 the Israeli's obtained support from the USA.

not sure what point you think this makes. There was no doubt that the Arabs did intend to attack Israel

from the original rag
June 1967: With U.S. weapons and support, Israeli military launches the so-called "Six Day War," seizing the remaining 23 percent of historic Palestine--the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem--along with Egypt's Sinai Peninsula and Syria's Golan Heights.
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This little gem ignores the massive build up of Syrian forces in the Golan and the Egyptian build up in the Sinai. It also does not mention the Soviet disinformation campaign that told Sadat (VP of Egypt) that Israeli forces were massing along the Syrian border in May (which they were not).

The Israelis forces were equipped with French and English weapons - the airforce flew Mirages and, when the French embargo was put in place AFTER the Six Day War, the Israeli Air Force did get some US equipment. But it then embarked on its own manufacture of fighters based the plans of the Mirage V that it had stolen from Dassault. It produced the Nasher and the Kfir.

OK - now do you think that the point has been debunked?
 
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Oliver said:
Well, let me cite Pardalis here: "I have no clue if it's true, but like Gumboot, I don't like the source because Mr. Bush didn't confirmed it." /irony :D


Oliver, when citing another forum member, either provide a link to the post or use the quote function, which automatically provides a link to that post.

Don't do this again.
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I was obviously kidding - isn't this allowed outside the humor-forum? :confused:
 
Pardalis said:
A strawman is still a strawman Oliver. You can't hide behind smilies forever.
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Okay, feel free to debunk the list some day - I'm out of this thread with all the dripping eyes around. :rolleyes:
 
Oliver said:
I was obviously kidding - isn't this allowed outside the humor-forum? :confused:
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If you used the term "paraphrase" rather than "cite," you might have gotten away with that blatant mischaracterization of Pardalis' position. The problem is, your strawman was a deliberate insult to Pardalis' actual position. It was a thinly veiled ad hom.

When you get caught in a lie, don't blame anyone but yourself.

DR
 
Oliver said:
Pardalis opinion is that this time-table of american involvement in the Middle-East is nothing but "Anti-Semetic Garbage".

So is there anyone in here who is able to debunk these "Facts"?

http://rwor.org/a/v23/1120-29/1125/timeline.htm

Please refer to the Time-Table itself because I will not reply to attacks against the messenger.

Thank you in advance,
Oliver
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Clever... you post from some Commie site and expect people to spend time refuting it point by point. O.K. I`m game...it`s all commie propaganda.
 
 
 
I think this topic needs a refresher on the meaning of "anti-semitism".

From the American Heritage Dictionary:

  1. Hostility toward or prejudice against Jews or Judaism.
  2. Discrimination against Jews.
Would someone please show me which comments in the original post reflect anti-semitism?
 
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