The 9/11 Conspiracy Facts

[mjd1982]

Actually, you think that AQ cells may be in the US and plotting a terrorist attack somewhere, at some time.



If only you could produce that statement, eh ? So far you've argued it was "propitious", but not that they claimed they would do it.

1st part, read the Bob Kerrey quote I have posted here about 10 times.

2nd,intent or soemthing that could be construed as such. Propitious would be such an instance.

 

[mjd1982]

But your point IS based on interpretation and interpolation, entirely. Whenever you see something you ADD more stuff to it. The document, the interview, etc. You keep thinking that there's more to it than you can see. Stick to what's actually there, please.



Yeah, you did. I answered that just a few posts ago.



1 word- irrelevant.

Please read before replying. Since inference is not inadmissible to debatem i am perfectly okay to use it.

2nd pt, I have not stated the line is enough to convict. Full stop.

 

[lapman]

In your OP, you talk about the 33 threats of "imminent attacks."

no i dont, but anyway...

In your OP, you state:

- May- July 2001: Over a two-month period, the NSA reports that “at least 33 communications indicating a possible, imminent terrorist attack.”

How is either of this relevant? Please follow my argument. I am not saying that they should have known tht 19 hijackers would crash planes into wherever on 9/11. I am saying that there was an unprecedented terror threat, this was communicated over and over again to the gov, and they did zero in response. R u american? Does this not irritate you?

Yes, I am American and considering how many times we've heard "the streets will flow with rivers of American blood," I'm not surprised that they didn't take it more seriously. Besides, where is your documentation that they did absolutely nothing. Most of the response would most likely be classified, so it would not have been given to the commission or even acknowledged.

It certainly would not have been, "Great job guys!"

why not?

It would have been classified as racist. You would have been right there with the accusation that we were rounding up people of Arab decent and treating them all as if they are terrorists.

 

[mjd1982]

The reporter does not state it as fact. He qualifies it. In the full press conference clip, the reporter starts with "Ari, according to the India Globe, ..."

THINK AND RESEARCH BEFORE YOU POST.

Ok, well then let's start. Show the clip.

 

[DGM]

This has been illustrated almost at the start of the thread, how the 911 commission was inept, and insufficient as an investigation. Please keep up.

1st part, read the Bob Kerrey quote I have posted here about 10 times.

Wasn't Bob Kerrey one of the chairman of this "inept and insufficient" investigation?

 

[HyJinX]

I think it's EXTREMELY PROPITIOUS to post this picture of the lovely and talented Vanessa Marcil.

 

[Augustine]

Ok, well then let's start. Show the clip.

Call 800-CNN-NEWS. Enjoy! It will be $40 well spent.

 

[Billdave2]

This has been illustrated almost at the start of the thread, how the 911 commission was inept, and insufficient as an investigation. Please keep up.

So when you use findings from them to support your theories (like the number of warnings,etc) they are true but when you disagree, they are inept and insufficient? Wow that is certainly propitious!

 

[nicepants]

They dont have to be arrested. Just an attempt to locate them, track them etc. This is not hard to understand.

Is your claim that that nothing was done to locate the suspected terrorists?

Let's say they locate all their suspects, and begin tracking thousands of possible AQ members, then what? Arrest them all on 9/10?

 

[JonnyFive]

Ok, well then let's start. Show the clip.

Why should he? It's your claim. Even given your version of events, it's still nothing more than unsupported conjecture, unless you can dig up any actual evidence.

 

[BillyRayValentine]

Right. Not new information.

"FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks".

Yes, information since 1998. Nothing new or, more importantly, actionable here.

What is your point? Why is this so hard for you to research?

And this is one PDB of 40

Wrong. It was the only PDB specifically about AQ and Bin Laden. There were 40 other "articles" concerning AQ, where it was just one of several topics covered in a particular PDB. Which is completely different. But I think you knew that.

And it's not surprising they were a frequent topic. It's not like they'd been flying below the radar. And chatter had apparently been building throughout 2000 and 2001. Your problem is that you conflate chatter with actionable intelligence.

Not that I expect you to acknowledge the difference. You seem to have taken a right turn out of reality somewhere along the way.

You point to the 70 AQ related FBI investigations as a sign that they weren't taking things seriously; that they were ignoring actionable intelligence and sitting on their hands.

Think about that for a second.

 

[stateofgrace]

Such makes it pretty clear why you believe the tripe you do.

Really? Tripe like this?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Al-Qaeda-True-Story-Radical-Islam/dp/0141019123/ref=pd_bowtega_2/026-1524121-9995632?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1182870861&sr=1-2

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Looming-Tower-Al-Qaeda-Road-11/dp/037541486X/ref=sr_1_7/026-1524121-9995632?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1182870861&sr=1-7

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ghost-Wars-Secret-History-Afghanistan/dp/0141020806/ref=pd_bowtega_1/026-1524121-9995632?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1182870924&sr=1-1

All independent researchers, none of whom agree with you.

Welcome to ignore, you are first person to ever go on it, I have neither the time nor patience to bother responding to the rest of your drivel. You are accusing the President of the United States of being party to mass murder of 3000 US citizens.

The burden of proof for this lies with you and not with me to disprove it. You have failed to do but instead you rely on pure speculation that the intelligence services were somehow and mysteriously controlled and were totally unaware of it and that Al Qaeda are totally unaware they have been played.It is abundantly clear you did not read the article and are not reading the perfectly reasonable and civil responses from anybody else. You have made your mind up, period, I see no point in anybody trying to change it but I am sure others will continue to try, I wish them well. Equally so I am sure you will continue to be dismissive.

Your arrogance and sence of self importance is more than I can stomach. I see no point in fuelling your ego and giving you the attention you clearly wish to have. I equally see no point in wasting precious moment of my life reading or responding to paranoid delusions nor delusions of grandeur you clearly have. Mercifully fringe and extreme views such as yours are a minority in the UK as is the arrogance you use to express them.

Good day.

 

[Dave Rogers]

I accept this was perhaps a bit of a hasty interpolation, and I apologise for it.

This of course has no bearing on any of the rest of the argument.

I would argue that it does. Your entire argument is based on your personal interpretations of certain statements, and the originators of those statements are not here to correct you.

Dave

 

[Unsecured Coins]

I think it's EXTREMELY PROPITIOUS to post this picture of the lovely and talented Vanessa Marcil.

mercy

 

[HyJinX]

mercy

Another.

She brings joy to my world.

 

[Unsecured Coins]

I'll see your hotness and raise you Lacey Chebert

and lest we forget,

 

[mjd1982]

Call 800-CNN-NEWS. Enjoy! It will be $40 well spent.

So you dont have the clip, its something we should just believe since you say it.

As such, it is worthless, and for the purposes of this argument, since you cannot present it, it doesnt exist. India Globe out of the window, you may start again.

 

[mjd1982]

So when you use findings from them to support your theories (like the number of warnings,etc) they are true but when you disagree, they are inept and insufficient? Wow that is certainly propitious!

I think this is a matter of pretty basic common sense. The Commission was set up not to incriminate the government, according to its deputy chair, and so when evidence is found that does, it is all the more telling.

This shouldnt be hard to understand.

 

[mjd1982]

Is your claim that that nothing was done to locate the suspected terrorists?

Let's say they locate all their suspects, and begin tracking thousands of possible AQ members, then what? Arrest them all on 9/10?

Where does thousands come from?

Plus, monitor them, track suspicious activity, phonecalls, meetings etc. Not hard!

 

[mjd1982]

Why should he? It's your claim. Even given your version of events, it's still nothing more than unsupported conjecture, unless you can dig up any actual evidence.

Hahaha, no, it's his claim! He is claiming that before the interview started, te journalist said something. None of us can see this, he is just claiming it. As such, it is his claim, backed by zero, and as such, worthless. End of.