What to do with prostitutes

Jon,

I plucked the 90% out of thin air. I'm willing to adjust the figure.



Z's not sure about China. Wiki "Prostitution China". It's illegal.

That dwarfs Canada, Australia, Korea, Japan and New Zealand, many times over.

Any more suggestions ?

If so, wiki "Prostitution Russia".

Or "Prostitution India".

Or "Prostitution USA".


...in each case, prostitution is (with a few local exceptions) illegal.

As I said, I guessed 90%.

I still think it's a good guess...


Gnu.
 
Last edited:
So what you're saying is that paying for sex is beneath men? Is it beneath women as well?

GIA wrote
Yes.

How about one-night stands? Is that also beneath men?

GIA wrote
It cheapens both but far less than prostitution.

You position (at this point) appears to be that the only sexual relationship worthy of men is one involving a loving, committed relationship. Aside from the exceptionally old-fashioned nature of this thinking, do you have any actual evidence that this is true?

GIA wrote
You place me in the wrong position as per my response above.

Allow me to ask you a few personal questions:

1) How old are you? Rough estimate will do.
2) Are you presently in a loving, committed relationship?
3) Have you ever had sex outside of a loving, committed relationship?
4) Is your opinion largely based on your religious beliefs?

GIA wrote
1) 57
2) Yes
3) Plenty
4) No


More questions may follow, but depend upon the answer to those four questions.

Failing to respond to these questions will strongly limit any reasonable discussion that may ensue. And that's all I'm after - a reasonable discussion. Each of those questions above is quite pertinent to understanding why you hold onto this antiquated notion of 'love' and 'sex.

Regards,

The Rev.

Love and sex is the ideal. I hope it is not "antiquated". I think a quick survey would show that this is what most want.
Sex has other good uses as well. Payed sex few if any.

Regards
DL
 
I asked you way back in this thread to recommend some books that we should read. You have yet to do so. I suspect that the only books you would recommend come in a set of 66 (or 65, depending on your denomination). Care to prove me wrong?

Try your government archives, they usually have commission reports on both prostitution and drug use. Either report will usually blend both topics because they are closely related.

Regards
DL
 
Wow. Alright, please inform my ex-fiance that he is an evil person who treated me like a hooker because he was never able to get me off. Loving, commited relationship, and not one orgasm. But that's not why I left him, but it certainly added to the list. Sex doesn't equal love, love doesn't equal sex. Well, not good sex anyway.

As to the second point, if a man wants to go to a hooker, with them both understanding that she is not vested in a personal orgasm, the point is his pleasure. She provides the human element to the sexual encounter, he provides the incentive. In this case the incentive is cash. In many modern sexual encounters there is still an incentive, it's simply a different one. Perhaps it's the hope of a relationship, of marriage, of long lasting love. In others it's pure shared physical enjoyment. There is always a give and take, always a price to be paid, in sex.
Perhaps the cost is falling in love... perhaps it's being left... perhaps it's wanting the sex again but not having the opportunity. But in a consenting, adult, paiding-for-sex relationship the cost is obvious. We can argue about what price she pays for her cash, but the point in all of this is that it is still her choice to pay that price. As it was mine in having sex with a man when I knew the price to be paid was my heart. I fell and it was a one way street... My heart, my price. Is non-marital sex evil? I sure paid a price, I felt dirty, I felt used... Because I made bad choices about who I slept with. Again, my body, my choice, my price. It's no one elses business, and that includes if the transaction had included money. That it didn't simple proves that any sexual encounter can be positive or negative.
Besides which it all lead me to understanding what fidelity means, what good sex really is, and what I wanted from a partner. You generalize about love and sex, you wan poetic about love and sex, you glamorize love and sex...
But you still have no proof that one ounce of any argument that you have attempted to make proves in anyway that any of the evils you see in prostitution are anything less then part of the human condition. As many others have said, if you want to talk about slavery, child sex trade, human trafficking, then lets talk about that. Sex between adults is convoluted in the best of circumstances, and attempting to moralize another to your standards is insane.

Unfortunately women have a harder time than men in respect to orgasm.
As to sex slavery and the other woes you mention, the fact that prostitution doors stay open to accept all of these people who have been wronged guarantees that more will be made to suffer. To end the slavery, the slave market must disappear.

Regards
DL
 
uhh what? Are you saying people who dont prefer the same type of sex as you are 'below you'? :mad: Or am I misunderstanding you?

Sex begins in the brain.
It is better for the brain to activate the social skill part of itself in the search for gratification than for just reaching for the wallet.
Does your brain see the difference. If not then society has lost another good one.

Regards
DL
 
Karma Sutra position the seventh. Piece of cake.



Oh boy, if you wanted to double up on your ignorance, that's a good way to start. You are so far out of touch, it's laughable.

I'd say that at least 80% of New Zealand's legal hookers advertise and have websites.

Too bad they choose not to enlighten us.

Regards
DL
 
Greatest I am seems to have a very weird understanding of what sex actually is...

Tell me, Greatest I am, have you ever actually had sex? Have you ever felt lust or love? Ever had an orgasm induced by someone other than yourself? Don't you realise that not every sexual encounter results in an orgasm? And yes, prostitutes can orgasm whilst with a client - just go ask some of them.

And I really have to laugh when you state:


Bwahahahahahahaha!!! Mutual pleasure is the primary purpose of sex. Only a small percentage of people solely have sex for procreation. The majority of people in the Western world having sex use prophylactics, to specifically ensure that they don't procreate!

I think I'd like for you to answer Z's questions in post #315.

Cheers,
TGHO

Your right that is either out of context or a typing error.
Some times I get cynical and would need to see the whole context.

As to your other comment, let me assure you that I am quite normal. Whatever that means.

Regards
DL
 
GIA is, as far as I have gathered, an elderly or late-middle aged man. He has been married for a long, long time. Several decades ago he had a religious experience where he believes God communicated with him telepathically and gave him a message. He stayed silent for many years out of fear. Thye message turns out to be that heaven is organized "demographically" and that we should organize ourselves the same way.

Despite the common meaning of "demographic," GIA appears to think it means that the command structure of heaven is a pyramid shape and that people should sort themselves by race. He believes that one should prefer members of one's own race and that this is some sort of "positive" racism which somehow increases productivity.

GIA is extraordinarily deistic. He believes in God and probably believes in the New Testament version of God. Nevertheless, he is not a churchgoer and doesn't believe any of the current churches have the answers right.

He is guided entirely by a sense of moral righiousness which seems to be a mixture of some type of European machismo ("men should take care of the world to protect women and children"), vague Sunday school notions of divine judgment and a touch of run-of-the-mill crazy.

I suspect he may be in France. I do not know if he has ever had sex outside of marriage.

Wrong on all counts.

If men don't do the protecting who will. If you are going to rely on women then that tells us all what kind of man you are or are not.

Regards
DL
 
In this portion of rural Nevada prostitution is regulated by city code. There are two brothels in our community.

The prostitutes receive weekly health exams.

The system of regulated prostitution certainly provides the 'working girls' with better and safer working conditions. Customers also are protected.

But that's not the point. It's a matter of public health and safety. The crime and disease associated with street prostitution is non-existent here.

Both brothels were closed temporarily in the late '90s. Within weeks, indendent contractors began to fill the void, and were trolling the downtown casinos until the brothels re-opened.

No society has found an effective method to prevent prostitution.

Regulation is a reasonable method to protect the general public from the disease and crime associated with it, however.

Nevada's system is hardly fool proof from many standpoints. But I've yet to hear of any customer in a Nevada brothel being exposed to HIV, or HIV infection in the community being traced back to a brothel. The state has issued warnings whenever an STD-infected worker has been identified.

The locale and dates of her employment are released to the public with advice for customers at that specific brothel in that time frame to seek medical attention. Such notices are rare.

This isn't a perfect system. But it seems to reduce the impact of prostitution on the community. Regulation seems better than non-regulated.

Sorry if this has already been beat to death in previous posts.

Yes but if the supply were low then the void would be filled by slaves without choices. In poorer nations the brothels are full of 12 year old girls and boys.

Regards
DL
 
Back to the OP, "What should we do with prostitutes?"

Pay them!

How is prostitution any different from going on a "traditional" date?

A mid-range prostitute would cost somewhere in the region of 40 whatever the units of currency are in your country, you pay it & "get your leg over".

A "traditional" date could cost you considerably more (chocolates/flowers, meal & show/movie, drinks & taxi fare) & at the end of it you MAY get your leg over - if you're lucky - if you're not careful, it could cost a LOT more. If she suddenly changes her mind, you could be in a whole load of trouble.

IMO, prostitution is more honest.

If your only differentiation between a Date and an encounter with a hooker is the price then I wonder what marriage would mean to you or love.
A date is to further your life.
An encounter with a hooker is to add friction to your dick. There is a difference.

Regards
DL
 
In ancient societies, high-class prostitutes could bring status and fame to those that they married.

This was true in Feudal Japan, at the least. But there some to-die-for courtesans and concubines.

Yes in those goodold days it was great for the adults who could also take their own 10-12 year old children and use them for sexual gratification.

Would you like that in order to abuse your own or would you prefer being the kid who has to do the gratifying.
Are you the ****er or the ****ed of your own dreams.

Regards
DL
 
He's back on the pedophilia and incest, folks!

It's good to know that, even in these troubled times, there are still some things you can count on.
 
I'm sure this has already been said but I feel very angry about the way prostitutes are either demonised or pitied by people simply because of the way they choose to make a living. Who are they hurting? No one. They're helping people by satisfying one of the most basic human needs. Who the f*** are you to tell them how to earn their way through life?





Quotes like this are the kind of patronising bulls*** that pisses me off. These people don't need your help, they need you to leave them the hell alone.

How many choose? Few.
The criminal element thinks the same way as you do.
The less involvement from us the better they like it.
So do all the abusers who never get their just reward either.

Regards
DL
 
I am trying not to be ambiguous, Todd. But sometimes there's no need to specify. If I say "65-70% of all prostitutes would like to get out of the profession', it doesn't matter too much if I really meant 65-70% of 90% of all prostitutes, does it ? (well, it matters 10%, which is quite a lot, but not enough to affect the gist of what I'm trying to say)

That would make sense, except the point some of us are trying to make is that things would be different if it were legal. Using statistics compiled in places where prostitution is illegal and using them to draw conclusions about prostitution as a whole is therefore a little disingenuous, pretty much the same as calling marijuana a gateway drug.

Well, I'll argue with that (in order to support my case that prostitution is not a respectable profession).

Well, I don't think we disagree all that much. Like I said before, I'll agree with you that prostitution isn't currently a respected profession, in the U.S. at any rate, but I think that's only a social convention. I don't think there's anything that makes prostitution not respectable -- that is, I see nothing ethically wrong with prostitution in general, and no reason it couldn't be respected if the social climate were somewhat different. As Greatest I Am is kind enough to demonstrate, a great deal of the disdain for prostitution is due to puritanical attitudes toward sex inspired by religious beliefs.

Porn-stars are not prostitutes. (Unless your defintion of 'prostitute' is 'some-one who has sex for money').

Er...well, yes, that's my definition of prostitute. :)

First, they are not being paid by the person they're having sex with. They're both being paid by a third party. The relationship between the participants is therefore equal - there is no ulterior transaction, and it cannot be exploitative.

So when my wife treats me to a little fun in Nevada, that won't be prostitution? I'm not paying for it myself, after all...

Oh, and most male porn stars (apart from a few big names) aren't paid very much. I hear that some of them will work just for room and board. :)

Second, the purpose of the sex, unlike in prostitution, is not the sexual satisfaction of the participants (or the producer who pays them), but the production of a film.

Why does that make it not prostitution? I don't think most prostitutes particularly care about why their clients want to hire them.

(Hence, porn-stars can do what legal prostitutes can't. They can have sex without a condom if they want to, just like you and me).

Well, that's more a matter of having control over both sides of the equation than anything else.

Illegal prostitutes can't do any of that.

Illegal prostitutes can (and do) have sex without condoms. That's why STD rates are so high among them. Illegal prostitutes can also be hired for someone else by a third party (think bachelor parties and so on).

And as far as I know, legal prostitutes don't either. Happy to be corrected there: in places where prostitution is legal, do individual prostitutes become celebrities ? Are the 'best' prostitutes recognized as such, and publicly celebrated ? Please tell me, Kiwis, Aussies and Nevadans (or Nevadians ? sorry I don't know) I'm curious.

There are definitely some big names in Nevada. I don't know if I'd call them celebrities outside a particular subculture, though.
 
Last edited:
Love and sex is the ideal. I hope it is not "antiquated". I think a quick survey would show that this is what most want.
Sex has other good uses as well. Payed sex few if any.

Regards
DL


Thank your for your reply... Given those answers, the only thing I can really say is that I disagree. And that there are NO ideals in our world. I also think your quick survey would show that your ideas are quickly growning antiquated, if they're not already.

But I don't think, at your age, you can really come to see anyone else's point of view. Just be satisfied that soon you won't have to worry about this any more.

The fact is, there's nothing ethically wrong with legal prostitution, and that's that. If you don't like it, don't use it. If enough people don't use it, it will go away.

Since it hasn't gone away since the dawn of mankind, I have to assume that a sufficiently adequate percent of the population likes it.

Thus proving you wrong.

However, I've since read your other responses - and I see you're right back to chauvenism and conflating prostitution with drug use, incest, and pedophilia.

You're never going to change, and your current lack of intelligence, education, and awareness disgust me.

I'm glad your kind is dying out.

For both of our sakes, I'm placing you on ignore. Do not bother to reply for my sake.

Best wishes,

The Rev.
 
Try your government archives, they usually have commission reports on both prostitution and drug use. Either report will usually blend both topics because they are closely related.

Regards
DL

You mean like the Fraser Committee report in Canada, which recommended legalizing and regulating prostitution other than street prostitution?
 

Back
Top Bottom