Sylvia's Waiting List

Like many people here have observed before, I wish there was a hell so that good Christians like Sylvia would be the first in! :mad:
 
<<Don't hold your breath waiting for them to be truthful on THAT issue. I would imagine that of any issue out here, the answer to that question would so galvanize so many people that even Sylvia would be shocked. There are some lines of decency that should never be crossed, and I have heard from through the NS grapevine, that if this is made public, MANY will come forward.>>

Am I not following something here? What has this all got to do with someone moving from one office to another one?

Susan
 
sgf8 said:
Am I not following something here? What has this all got to do with someone moving from one office to another one?
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s I understand it, they were previously located in a building which was owned by a woman named Mary Simonds.

Simonds was very instrumental in the early days of Novus, and in fact transcribed much of the "Journey of the Soul" study series from tapes of "trance readings" of "Francine" and "Raheim."

I am sketchy on the details, but have been told that there was a falling out between Browne and Simonds, mostly over the building (I have been told by multiple people - but do not know for a fact - that Browne tried to take control of the building, which lead to the falling-out).

This resulted in Simonds, who was evidently well-thought-of by the NS community, to leave the fold. She did so after issuing a letter blaming nobody, and not explaining any of her reasons for leaving a church which she had been so instrumental in founding.

I have tried to contact Ms. Simonds, but have received no response. I have been told by others that she, along with others in her family, just wish to put their NS experience behind them.
 
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RSLancastr said:
s I understand it, they were previously located in a building which was owned by a woman named Mary Simonds.

Simonds was very instrumental in the early days of Novus, and in fact transcribed much of the "Journey of the Soul" study series from tapes of "trance readings" of "Francine" and "Raheim."

I am sketchy on the details, but have been told that there was a falling out between Browne and Simonds, mostly over the building (I have been told by multiple people - but do not know for a fact - that Browne tried to take control of the building, which lead to the falling-out).

This resulted in Simonds, who was evidently well-thought-of by the NS community, to leave the fold. She did so after issuing a letter blaming nobody, and not explaining any of her reasons for leaving a church which she had been so instrumental in founding.

I have tried to contact Ms. Simonds, but have received no response. I have been told by others that she, along with others in her family, just wish to put their NS experience behind them.
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Mary sent an email to all the ministers when she resigned and said this:

Dear Fellow Ministers,
I respectfully resign. Novus appears to be going in a different direction I choose not to follow.
I wish to thank those of you who supported me in my 17 years of service to the ministry.
Thank you,
Mary L. Simonds

Obviously we can all see now the direction Novus was going and that's why so many ministers have jumped ship.

Mary is the sweetest, kindest person you could ever know. What Sylvia did to her was dispicable, inexcusable and unforgivable. And I hope someone can convince Mary to validate her experience with SB so RSL can put all the sordid details on SSB. What has been revealed in this thread is nothing compared to the full story.

She's good at coercing funds out of her ministers "for the good of the mission" and "because it's what Mother God would expect you to do" - Mary wasn't the first one she did it to and I'm sure she won't be the last - just ask Tina - another of her former ministers.

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SeekingTruth said:
Mary sent an email to all the ministers when she resigned and said this:

Dear Fellow Ministers,
I respectfully resign. Novus appears to be going in a different direction I choose not to follow.
I wish to thank those of you who supported me in my 17 years of service to the ministry.
Thank you,
Mary L. Simonds

Obviously we can all see now the direction Novus was going and that's why so many ministers have jumped ship.

Mary is the sweetest, kindest person you could ever know. What Sylvia did to her was dispicable, inexcusable and unforgivable. And I hope someone can convince Mary to validate her experience with SB so RSL can put all the sordid details on SSB. What has been revealed in this thread is nothing compared to the full story.

She's good at coercing funds out of her ministers "for the good of the mission" and "because it's what Mother God would expect you to do" - Mary wasn't the first one she did it to and I'm sure she won't be the last - just ask Tina - another of her former ministers.

ST
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Interestingly, I understood--as it was passed around the office--that Tina and Linda (not the business mgr) embezzled funds from the lecture series and other events, which led to their resignation without prosecution, because, as it was told to me, their prosecution would result in their talking about the inner-workings of the church.

Regarding Mary, I will agree that she was, perhaps, the sweetest member of Novus. She always kept very quiet while working away, and she was, although shy, very polite.

I can't imagine why her children Christina or Kirk (also once part of NS) wouldn't come forward to say what happened.
 
Wasn't going to post this, but figured that the Truth must come out eventually.
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Mary Simonds purchased 35 Dillon in Campbell with the bulk of her retirement funds so that SB/SNS would have a space to use. The original agreement was that SB/SNS would pay rent to Mary at slightly less than market levels, as Mary was trying to help the "mission" while establishing investment income that made up most of her income. The whole deal was suggested/instigated by Sylvia and Larry Beck. Larry drew up a rental contract that Mary signed apparently without reading it. Over the years Sylvia paid less and less rent, always crying poor, and Mary put up with it, to "support the mission".

Then Sylvia called Mary in one day around June 2005 and told her she was buying the building at a very cheap price. Mary told her that the price wasn't enough for her as this was her retirement fund, all she had, and that the price wouldn't sustain her. Sylvia said fine, I'll just take it from you, making reference to a clause in the original contract that apparently provided this option. Mary left and went home to the kids (Christina and Kirk). They heard the story and dug the contract out and found that it did have a clause in there stating that SB was in fact "renting to own" the property and that at some point she would have paid enough rent to then own the building. The problem was the contract had expired! Mary went to Sylvia and told her this and Sylvia lost it big time. She freaked on Christina and Mary and that's when Christina left her job at the office (as did Kirk) and took a sabbatical. Sylvia decided to move to 1700 Winchester out of spite, but Mary stuck around until a board meeting in the fall at which Sylvia attacked her again painting her as ungrateful, anti-mission, the usual B.S. When the other board members, people Mary had considered dear friends, failed to defend her, in fact some openly sided with Sylvia, including Sheila, Michael and Pam, she decided to resign.
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As an interesting aside, in a Trance, Francine (SB's "Spirit Guide") related the fact that Mary Simonds, the same Mary that SB tried to steal the building from, was the reincarnated wife of Jesus, Mary Magdeline. Also, SB has claimed that she (Sylvia Browne) is the reincarnetd mother of Jesus, the "Virgin" Mary, as well as the reincarnated Joan Of Arc, the reincarnated Sophia, the reincarnated Oracle of Delphi, and even that she is the Soul Mate of Lucifer, and that is why she has such a hard life this time, to pay a penance for what she did as Lucifers Soulmate.
 
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OMG, I'm so glad you wrote that! I've been waiting for a long time to get this info out, that Sylvia was allegedly all these people.

It's true, Francine indeed has said these things in various trances--LAUGHABLE!

And how the hell could you steal retirement funds from Mary friggin' Magdalene?

By the way, what did she do as Lucifer's soulmate? I don't think I ever caught that one.
 
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NotARepublican said:
OMG, I'm so glad you wrote that! I've been waiting for a long time to get this info out, that Sylvia was allegedly all these people.

It's true, Francine indeed has said these things in various trances--LAUGHABLE!

And how the hell could you steal retirement funds from Mary friggin' Magdalene?
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Yeah, me too! Wondered how long it would take before someone put that out there. Being Lucifer's soulmate is the ultimate, huh? LOL
 
<< As an interesting aside, in a Trance, Francine (SB's "Spirit Guide") related the fact that Mary Simonds, the same Mary that SB tried to steal the building from, was the reincarnated wife of Jesus, Mary Magdeline. Also, SB has claimed that she is the reincarnetd mother of Jesus, the "Virgin" Mary, as well as the reincarnated Joan Of Arc, the reincarnated Oracle of Delphi, and even that she is the Soul Mate of Lucifer, and that is why she has such a hard life this time, to pay a penance for what she did as Lucifers Soulmate.>>

You have got to be kidding! People believe this load of crap? They give money to support it also? Sorry, I always thought I was gullible, but this has to be off the gullible meter.

Also is Sylvia Browne in the San Jose area? I thought she was in Southern California. I'm just an hour South from her then. Seriously I wouldn't think that scientific minded San Jose would be a fitting place for her. So. CA would be more likely. Maybe I'm being gullible.

Susan
 
NotARepublican said:
Interestingly, I understood--as it was passed around the office--that Tina and Linda (not the business mgr) embezzled funds from the lecture series and other events, which led to their resignation without prosecution, because, as it was told to me, their prosecution would result in their talking about the inner-workings of the church.
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First of all, your understanding of this situation is so wrong! I would like to know WHO told you this crap. I was there during this time period, and the reason Tina and Linda left have nothing to do with the absolute slanderous statements that were given to you, and that you have now passed onto to this forum. IF Tina and Linda had embezzled funds from Sylvia Browne, Sylvia would not have maintained a relationship with them after they left the group, NOR would Sylvia had endorsed an article that was written by Tina & Linda for the Hayhouse newsletter. Sylvia also supported their decision to open their own business doing hypnosis, among other things. Sylvia had no problem with it, saying that it wasn't a confict with Novus, 'a little competition is good for them'.

As you seem to have a 'close' understanding of the office workings, then NAR, you already know that all monies from lectures, and other events were tabulated at the events, double checked by Sheila, and all turned over to Sheila who, I may remind you handles the monies.

To a last note: I very rarely get angry on this site or at RSL's site, because statements are backed up, and facts presented as they are. But, the only person who has been found guilty of taking funds earmarked for one specific venture and using them for their own Nirvana business wasn't Linda or Tina.
 
Exactly angrybeliever. And wasn't it SB who used Tina to get a large sum of money from her insurance settlement?
 
PastBrowneFan said:
Exactly angrybeliever. And wasn't it SB who used Tina to get a large sum of money from her insurance settlement?
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I'm not angrybeliever, but since he/she hasn't responded yet, absolutely that's what happened. $300,000 from what I heard -with promises made that were never kept.

ST
 
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SB thought that she was entitled to something that she wasn't. And isn't that show she operates?

I know that during my time there, that Tina and Linda fought very hard to have programs that we were supposed to be delivering out to the public, actually fighting to get them out there. All suggestions for expansion, or trainings, etc were shot down by the controlling prelate, Sheila Hallmeyer. Prelate Hallmeyer for years would tell any newcomer who had similiar ideas about bringing programs into the community "you don't understand, it really is too difficult to organize, and takes a lot of time to research".

But, the difficulty didn't seem to be a great one, for Tina and Linda went out and with little effort, put into effect exactly what they had put forth for Novus (and was rejected as being too difficult to set up).

It has always been that way, and probably will continue until NS ceases to exist. They operate by letting certain people out in the field have a certain amount of controlled 'closeness', and letting them feel like they are an 'insider' too. As long as the controllee is controlled, all is fine. Let them balk at the suggestions or 'recommendations', and they will find themselves out in the arctic netherland quicker than you can say "Brrrrrr".
 
angrybeliever said:
All suggestions for expansion, or trainings, etc were shot down by the controlling prelate, Sheila Hallmeyer. Prelate Hallmeyer for years would tell any newcomer who had similiar ideas about bringing programs into the community "you don't understand, it really is too difficult to organize, and takes a lot of time to research".
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All too familiar SOP's for that office. We all know that it was meant to keep people apart so they couldn't share what they knew with each other. With all that's coming out now, it's easy to see why they'd want to keep people separated.

ST
 
sgf8 said:
Also is Sylvia Browne in the San Jose area? I thought she was in Southern California. I'm just an hour South from her then. Seriously I wouldn't think that scientific minded San Jose would be a fitting place for her. So. CA would be more likely. Maybe I'm being gullible.
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The office is located on Winchester Ave in Campbell, CA - close to San Jose.

ST
 
SB/SNS Standard Operating Procedure primer continued:

Historically SNS ministerial resignations are attributed to some combination of these four themes: substance abuse; evil; ego/weakness; and embezzlement. Interestingly Francine often gives Sylvia insight into such concerns - after the person has announced their intent to leave.

Such claims are as proven as Sylvia's paranormal abilities.
 
Get outta here! She thinks she's Lucifer's soulmate?!

One thing wrong with that- to my understanding, Lucifer is part of Christian mythology and not Christian canon.

He doesn't come from the Bible, he comes from John Milton!

Don't tell me Novous Spiritus has included John Milton into their cosmology!
 
Good Christ, settle down, angrybeliever. I now know where you got your name.

I said that's what I was told. I never said it was true. But regarding your claim that Sylvia was okay with their leaving simply because she endorsed an article written by them, or because she kept a working relationship with them, means nothing. That has been interpreted, in some circles, as evidence that Sylvia is staying on good terms with them so they don't talk about their experiences at NS too deeply. In most other cases where ministers leave, Sylvia does not keep up a working relationship with them.
 
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