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Common FDR Arguments Addressed

chipmunk stew said:
Lyte's definition of "beating up": Present refuted evidence over and over again until people get tired of debunking it. The moment they stop, claim victory.
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Come back here! I'll bite your leg off!
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Is there a formally defined "Monty Python Black Knight" logical fallacy? If not, there should be - it seems fairly common from the truthers on this forum.

Dave
 
It's like the exchange in "The 40 Year Old Virgin", right after they invite Andy to play cards-

"I almost feel bad-"
"No you don't"

That's how I think of Lyte.
 
Belz... said:
Lyte's definition of "beating up": Present refuted evidence over and over again until people get tired of debunking it. The moment they stop, claim victory.
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And is it necessary to announce you're going away? Just go away. I'm sure people will understand you have to step away from the keyboard, even hours at a time, to take care of business in what we call life.

"I've leaving now, so there, I win, bye. See you pnwed losers tomorrow!"
 
Hey, it only took me until page 4 to work it was Flight Data Recorder and not Frankln Delano Roosevelt!

Is there a cash prize? I need to buy more kitten food.
 
Snow said:
Hey, it only took me until page 4 to work it was Flight Data Recorder and not Frankln Delano Roosevelt!

Is there a cash prize? I need to buy more kitten food.
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Was Franklin Delano Roosevelt an airline pilot? I didn't know that. I knew he imposed stiff tariffs on imported kitten food, but the flyboy stuff got by me.

Ya lern sumpin gnu ever day!
 
I don't get it....

Doesn't the mere fact that the FDR was found inside the pentagon self-debunk any claims that the plane flew OVER the pentagon?

It seems to me that if the box is recovered at point X.....and the data from the box indicates that said box is at point Y....then the data indicating point Y must be incorrect.

Practical example:

Car's gas tank shows a full tank....but after a minute or two on the road, the car runs out of gas, confirmed by checking the tank and seeing that it's empty...gauge still shows full.

Truther: The gauge says full, so we couldn't have run out of gas.
Reality: Gauge is wrong.
 
nicepants said:
Doesn't the mere fact that the FDR was found inside the pentagon self-debunk any claims that the plane flew OVER the pentagon?

It seems to me that if the box is recovered at point X.....and the data from the box indicates that said box is at point Y....then the data indicating point Y must be incorrect.

Practical example:

Car's gas tank shows a full tank....but after a minute or two on the road, the car runs out of gas, confirmed by checking the tank and seeing that it's empty...gauge still shows full.

Truther: The gauge says full, so we couldn't have run out of gas.
Reality: Gauge is wrong.
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[Conspiraloon mode]
The FDR in the Pentagon was planted there days before. It was linked to the real FDR on the plane that did the flyover and was given its data via wi-fi. But, they screwed up and it recorded data that showed the plane flying over, so they had to lose the last N frames of data so this wouldn't show up.
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His real name was Friedrich Das Rosenveldt, as you know perfectlfy well.

"That Jew bastard Roooosevelt" was still a bogeyman in my Neanderthal, excuse me, Republican childhood. Naturally, I assumed that Lyte's mighty brain had uncovered the connection and was recycling a bunch of old Roosevelt jokes. What a letdown!

Hey, Lyte, what about the Dardanelles?
 
stateofgrace said:
Please contact the following with ALL your evidence.

http://www.un.org/terrorism/contact-us.asp

Home page

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/terrorism.html

Or contact the following.

http://www.fbi.gov/contactus.htm

https://www.cia.gov/contact-cia/index.html

http://www.hrw.org/contact.html

http://www.usdoj.gov/contact-us.html

http://www.internationalcrimes.com/


Do so immediately, do it today, otherwise you are guilty of harbouring and protecting terrorists, you are guilty of withholding evidence of mass murder. If you have evidence, stop asking people to debunk it, present it to the appropriate authorities, no more excuses.

http://www.terrorismcrimes.com/



I take by the time you reply you will have stopped withholding evidence of mass murder from the appropriate authorities. If not I would like a full explanation has to why you have not done so.
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To report a violation of U.S. federal law
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Sounds like you Lyte! And hey, if you get killed by the FBI, we will expose what that you were sitting on! The worlds greatest conspiracy ever, pulled off with military might and fooling every single person near the pentagon. If you died in strange circumstances after contacting the FBI, it would be obvious what happened. After all, your life is not as important as uncovering this world-shattering evidence is it Lyte?

It's a win-win for justice!

Remember, you are sitting ontop of evidence that napalm was used to destroy a wing of the pentagon, not a plane! When are you reporting this to the authorities? And why do I feel you will not answer me?
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
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The FDR in the Pentagon was planted there days before. It was linked to the real FDR on the plane that did the flyover and was given its data via wi-fi. But, they screwed up and it recorded data that showed the plane flying over, so they had to lose the last N frames of data so this wouldn't show up.
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Wow, that really must have hurt. I salute the effort, and the sacrifice of your mind this must have required.
 
Is anyone having a hard time working out why someone would withold evidence of napalm being used on US soil against its own government buildings and military personal?

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Arkan_Wolfshade said:
[Conspiraloon mode]
The FDR in the Pentagon was planted there days before. It was linked to the real FDR on the plane that did the flyover and was given its data via wi-fi. But, they screwed up and it recorded data that showed the plane flying over, so they had to lose the last N frames of data so this wouldn't show up.
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Ohk.....got it.....although the chnages required to my "car-out-of-gas" analogy have now become too confusing to compute.

To me, though, if they were going to plant the FDR in the pentagon, they could have pre-loaded it with the correct data. Or, upon recovery of said FDR, modified whatever data was needed to produce the intended result. Why just "lose" that frame? If you can modify the data, at least create a frame that supports your theory, right?
 
Snow said:
Do you think he'll be pleased with what he finds?
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Yes.

Can I say attention whore here?

Me thinks both his little CIT project and robbies pretend pilots site are practically dead. No traffic. No news. Nobody to talk to.

Remember, crazy people don't know they're crazy. That goes for attention whores too.
 
nicepants said:
Doesn't the mere fact that the FDR was found inside the pentagon self-debunk any claims that the plane flew OVER the pentagon?

It seems to me that if the box is recovered at point X.....and the data from the box indicates that said box is at point Y....then the data indicating point Y must be incorrect.

Practical example:

Car's gas tank shows a full tank....but after a minute or two on the road, the car runs out of gas, confirmed by checking the tank and seeing that it's empty...gauge still shows full.

Truther: The gauge says full, so we couldn't have run out of gas.
Reality: Gauge is wrong.
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Do you mean the FDR from flight 77, that even JDX knows has many flight stored on it that confirm it was flight 77? Multiple flights! Let alone the exact same FDR from 77, the same passengers were found to be dead, in the Pentagon who were aboard flight 77 when it and it's FDR smashed into the Pentagon?

Is JDX having problems with reality? Yes Why?

Not JDX, who has no idea how many feet are in a nautical mile. Not JDX, who does not know the frequency range a Radar Altimeter works at. Simple things a pilot should know, and any lay person can find in a minute. JDX, stop giving pilots a bad name, change your profession. Please, you could change from "Pilots for 9/11 Truth", to "Liars for 9/11 Fiction"! PFT=LFF Kind of catchy.

Originally Posted by qarnos
I don't even understand what having a pilots license has to do with being able to analyse FDR data.
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That is true. Anyone could study a few minutes or hours and be ahead of most pilots on how to analyze the FDR data. JDX/PFT have guys who decoded the raw FDR data. They have wasted their time and efforts to try and prove the very thing they have now debunked. Gee, they were not exactly surprised, but they had all the data. They had data for many flights 77 had done days before 9/11. Kinds of proves the FDR was 77's. They decoded more heading information - confirms the actual track of the aircraft and you can see the very wind from weather date reflected in the drift corrections confirmed by the various headings. One set of data in the NTSB decoding showed the navigation data off by 20 miles. I have flown jets and although I am a computer engineer, (part of my electrical and computer engineer degree), I hate to waste time loading navigation systems when I fly since for me they are not needed (I grew up with simple navigation systems). The point is a 20 mile offset does not mean much to me, I thought the system could be set up wrong. However is it hard to see how the error could happen since the FMS system does not appear to let those type of errors occur. The decoding algorithm may of had an error. Much of the data is stored as degrees left and right of north, for instance, and a simple decode error may not be caught if a working copy effort. However, again PFT decode revealed navigation data only 2000 to 3000 feet off from the actual position. That fits with the error of the navigation system you would see on 77. Again PFT confirm that 77 was the plane who arrived at the Pentagon. Wow, they debunk as they go, it gets better. One day the PFT have some math wizard post he has found errors in the nav data, and such. JDX posts the different headings and says they are altered. But the errors JDX sees are mother nature, and wind drift and the headings do vary but it is due to the wind. The other mental giant math wizard says there are anomalies in the navigation data. The fact is the navigation data is updated and moved by the FMS system with VOR updates. The VOR updates change the navigation data position. Someone looking at the planes data may think since the plane is moving slightly north, yet the position moved south, but that is normal updates, the position data changes to update it. There is, it is called position updating. It is like you think you are 350 miles from Atlanta, you see a sign it says, 290 mile to Atlanta, you change your idea to 290, you have updated you position 60 miles but only moved 1 mile, WOW, your data in your brain was- 1. Tampered with by the NWO 2. You made a logical update where you are using facts? Yes, the aircraft system uses data to update where it thinks it is. But JDX and friends think the NWO has altered the data. How paranoid, and delusional.

I have no clue if what I have just written makes sense. But since 77 did hit the Pentagon and there are thousands of piece of evidence to back that fact, I will not proof my latest factual BS on flight 77. I have learned way too much about FDR and FMS stuff with the help of smart people here and with a little experience from me. I have worked with FDRs before on accident boards, and the data is just a part of the evidence. It is sad that if anyone does check the FDR data, it lines up with countless witness testimony from that day. The turn over DC, the rocking wings as it approaches the Pentagon, the witnesses hear the engine run up and on the FDR the engines are pushed up. Every single bit of data on the FDR from 77 shows the exact thing people saw on 9/11. As JDX and the CIT team make up more lies, I am only amazed at all the facts they ignore and write off so they can sell DVDs, t-shirts, and lies. It is not about the truth, it is about the dollar made off of a niche of idiots. This pilot stuff is so full of jargon and technical stuff even JDX is challenged to understand and explain.

I am sorry I can not explain the FDR better. But even JDX knows that flight 77 last data places 77 in a position some 3000 feet away from the Pentagon, lined up with the evidence trail. I even watched Lyte's witness along the road with the buildings blocking his view, point to the exact position where 77 was lined up to hit the Pentagon, and then saw Lyte change that position and had the guy sign it. Fraud you can see on his own video. If people buy his DVD, they are going to be really upset how Lyte changes evidence right on camera. A sad group of people are those who live to make up lies and try to sell it as research.
 
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