The Buddha Was Wrong, a Skeptical Buddhist Site

[Dustin Kesselberg]

There is a lot to hate about a lot of things. But to be possessed by hatred is a waste of time. I used to foam at the mouth over Xians.

Who's possessed over it?

if one says that one must not think for one's self and just follow everything that someone might label buddhism,that makes sense.

No it doesn't.

Why do you call yourself Dustin?

That's the name my parents gave me. It'd be too much trouble to change it. I'm used to it. Therefor I use it.

Because some define a buddhist that way, shame isn't it, people not meeting your bigoted expectations.

Technically they are wrong.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

And what is that essential nature of things? A human concept with a sensational reference to unknowable objects whose behaviors can only be approximated.


Beware Do Not Call The Librarian a Monkey!

The essential nature of things varies from thing to thing.

What "Unknowable objects" are you talking about?

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

Nor did the AHB claim the damma would clean floors or cure cancer. But please do tell, we all agree with you.

It depends. If I am burned then the burn is causing the pain receptors to send signals to my brain of 'pain' which is causing the suffering. In that case that's the cause.

that is also true, Duh. The eightfold path will ease attachment from the painful and the attachment to the pleasurable. it will not clean windows. Duh.

Ease attachment from the painful and the attachment to the pleasurable?

And this is the problem with you Dustin, you look at the surface of things and conclude that you know all there is to know about them.

How's that?

If the damma does not appeal to you that is fine, follow another path.

It's not that it doesn't simply "appeal" to me. It's that it's faulty.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

kid?

lol, carry on head butting one another with your circular logic and hypocritical attempt to destroy your egos.

He's a condescending **** is what he is. Reading his posts is sort of like watching a midget threaten Andre the Giant. Read my signature and the thread where he brags about having fantasies about raping people.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

YES. Thank you. The same thinking applies to Buddhist gospels.

And?

So there is absolutely no value anywhere in religion? All of it is worthy af hate? Religious people ore worthy of derision?

I never said that. I simply said that there is a lot to hate about religion. There is some value in some of the philosophies of religion. However those values aren't religious but philosophical and they aren't inherent in just those religions either, so it's irrelevant.

You aren't doing very well.

Sure I am. Though it's impossible to use logic to argue someone out of a position they didn't use logic to get themselves into. Your dogmatic belief in Buddhism can't be countered with reason and logic.

Because you have basic beliefs in common with other Buddhists.

I have basic beliefs in common with some Christians, Muslims, Hindu's, Buddhists, Shintoists, Spiritualists, etc. This doesn't make me any of the above. I'm an Atheist by definition who is a skeptic of the paranormal. I'm not a Christian, Muslim, Hindu or a Buddhist. Even if I have some beliefs in common with then doesn't make me one of them.

Try again.

Well, I am not the grand deity of labels, unlike you . And it is not a few things, it is the basic things. Like the first things the Buddha taught about suffering and ethics.

Which I am calling into doubt.

 

[andyandy]

I can spell English just fine though. Why can I and you can't?

You make this boast and yet 5 minutes earlier you posted this.....

He might of meant "Dysphasia" but I doubt that.

Might of meant? Might of meant?

Dear oh dear. What kind of language is that?

I think you're confusing it with

might have meant

this is often abbreviated to

might've meant

and so people hear it and sometimes think the sentence is actually

might of meant.

This is termed an "aural error" - and is classed as a form of spelling mistake.

Funnily enough it's the sort of mistake non-native speakers make quite frequently. Fancy that.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

Funnily enough it's the sort of mistake none native speakers make quite frequently. Fancy that.

"None native speakers make..."? What sort of English is that?!?!

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

He's a condescending **** is what he is. Reading his posts is sort of like watching a midget threaten Andre the Giant. Read my signature and the thread where he brags about having fantasies about raping people.

Not really, no.

 

[andyandy]

"None native speakers make..."? What sort of English is that?!?!

lol

damn, you posted before i corrected

trouble is though dustin, i'm not the one boasting about how well i can spell. You obviously can't "spell fine" - or at least not as well as you like to think. Perhaps you should lay off criticizing others for something you're obviously no better at than the rest of us....especially when the person you're criticizing admits to a form of dyslexia. Does it make you feel big? Does it make you feel clever? Because it makes you look like a real piece of work.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

And?

And? We were talking about what are considered the teachings of the Buddha are and why. Do you get it now? Or did you lose track of the conversation?

I never said that. I simply said that there is a lot to hate about religion. There is some value in some of the philosophies of religion. However those values aren't religious but philosophical and they aren't inherent in just those religions either, so it's irrelevant

So why don't you study it? You know, there are these things called liberal theologians, who aren't complete fundies? They are probably more common than the fundies, as well.

Sure I am. Though it's impossible to use logic to argue someone out of a position they didn't use logic to get themselves into. Your dogmatic belief in Buddhism can't be countered with reason and logic.

What? When have I displayed a dogmatic belief in Buddhism? How do you even know if I consider myself to be a Buddhist?

I have basic beliefs in common with some Christians, Muslims, Hindu's, Buddhists, Shintoists, Spiritualists, etc. This doesn't make me any of the above. I'm an Atheist by definition who is a skeptic of the paranormal. I'm not a Christian, Muslim, Hindu or a Buddhist. Even if I have some beliefs in common with then doesn't make me one of them.

Try again.

By basic I meant fundamental. All Christians believe in a just god, how ever they can range extremely far in other beliefs.

Which I am calling into doubt.

What? You consider a novice's misunderstanding a calling into doubt? Please. Read more than Wiki. Or else all you have are ignorant childish complaints.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

lol

damn, you posted before i corrected

trouble is though dustin, i'm not the one boasting about how well i can spell. You obviously can't "spell fine" - or at least not as well as you like to think. Perhaps you should lay off criticizing others for something you're obviously no better at than the rest of us....especially when the person you're criticizing admits to a form of dyslexia. Does it make you feel big? Does it make you feel clever? Because it makes you look like a real piece of work.

I make a few mistakes here and there simply due to the fact I am human and therefor fallible. I have never said I have perfect or immaculate spelling. I simply criticized David's spelling and grammar due to the fact I could not comprehend it. I said my spelling was "fine" which is a different thing from saying I have "flawless spelling". I'm not attacking David or calling him stupid, I'm simply saying that if he wants me to respond to his posts then he needs to make it so I can comprehend them. It's a purely fact of utility.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

And? We were talking about what are considered the teachings of the Buddha are and why. Do you get it now? Or did you lose track of the conversation?

The point isn't his teachings.

So why don't you study it? You know, there are these things called liberal theologians, who aren't complete fundies? They are probably more common than the fundies, as well.

I do study religion.

What? When have I displayed a dogmatic belief in Buddhism? How do you even know if I consider myself to be a Buddhist?

You hold beliefs in a religious doctrine and you can't justify it's validity using anything other than appeal to belief.

By basic I meant fundamental. All Christians believe in a just god, how ever they can range extremely far in other beliefs.

Indeed.

What? You consider a novice's misunderstanding a calling into doubt? Please. Read more than Wiki. Or else all you have are ignorant childish complaints.

I'm calling into doubt the premises and conclusions of the basic teachings of Buddhism.

 

[andyandy]

The difference is that in this very thread you've told me to "learn to spell," you've continued to criticize Dancing David even after he clarified about suffering from a form of dyslexia, and you've boasted that you can spell "just fine" - following that up with a challenge "I can, so why can't you?"

under such circumstances you are indeed setting yourself up for a fall. Look, here's another mistake on this same thread page.

I'm used to it. Therefor I use it.

sloppy sloppy.

oh dear, and another one in that last post....

you can't justify it's validity

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

The difference is that in this very thread you've told me to "learn to spell," you've continued to criticize Dancing David even after he clarified about suffering from a form of dyslexia, and you've boasted that you can spell "just fine" - following that up with a challenge "I can, so why can't you?"

under such circumstances you are indeed setting yourself up for a fall. Look, here's another mistake on this same thread page.



sloppy sloppy.

I haven't criticized David for his spelling after he pointed out he had dyslexia. I pointed out that I can't be bothered to reply to his incomprehensible posts but that isn't criticism. I have never said I have perfect or immaculate spelling. I said my spelling was "fine" which is a different thing from saying I have "flawless spelling". I make a few mistakes here and there simply due to the fact I am human and therefor fallible.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

oh dear, and another one in that last post....

That is a punctuation error not a spelling error.

 

[andyandy]

therefor fallible.

oops again!

 

[andyandy]

That is a punctuation error not a spelling error.

yes - it was labeled as another mistake in your post - you make quite a lot of them.

 

[andyandy]

I haven't criticized David for his spelling after he pointed out he had dyslexia. .

You're a liar. The evidence is there for everyone to see.

7.30am

You need to read on dear sir, as I did, my friend said that it was something called 'dysphonetic' based upon the way I read and understand words. I just learned today that it is a form of dyslexia! He didn't tell me that.

8.19am

I looked it up and it is not dysphonia (my assumption), it is a form of dyslexia,

Just in case you'd missed it, he claified again at 9.20am

I said i was wrong, I was mistaken, it is dysphonetic dyslexia.

I learned something today! I am still young at mind if not in the body.

and then at 4.31 you replied....

It sounds to me that you're making it up as you go along.

and then you boast to david....

I can spell English just fine though. Why can I and you can't?

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

The point isn't his teachings.

WTF? Then why all the debate about what the "teachings of the Buddha" are?

I do study religion.

And yet you cannot comprehend liberal theology. Either you suck at studying, or you haven't really studied it.

(Yes, you have to pick one )

You hold beliefs in a religious doctrine and you can't justify it's validity using anything other than appeal to belief.

Evidence?

Indeed.

And the fundamentals in Buddhism include the four truths and eightfold path. Ergo people who follow those are labeled Buddhist.

I'm calling into doubt the premises and conclusions of the basic teachings of Buddhism.

No, you're not. Get reading. Seriously. You are just spouting one of the most ignorant arguments against Buddhism.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Ta Da!

This should answer many of your basic questions.