[Moderated]175 did NOT hit the South tower.

[Belz...]

You're definately getting warmer. They use the MSM to manufacture an enemy, then they tell you that you need to lose your civil liberties, in order to protect your freedom.

I don't remember them telling us this. Would you mind providing a link ?

Better than that, they control both sides.

Like Palpatine.

There will never be war, until someone has the money for it, or the potential to pay for it on HP (loans).

Yes, I guess all those past wars were just smokescreen by the NWO.

It's all to do with money lending. Lend both sides money to buy bullets, while the war is on. Then lend both sides money to buy bricks, when the war is over. Who gives a rat's corpse who wins?

Is that what you think of history ? When did you drop out ? 2nd grade ?

No such a thing as a transitive verb

That's a Stundie.

 

[Belz...]

My mistake. Only God is perfect. I'm glad I got something wrong. I was beginning to feel quite elevated.

Glad you got something wrong ?

You've got everything wrong. You're the wrongest person ever. And that happens to be MORE wrong than Christophera and Iacchus and Iamme. think about it.

 

[Rolfe]

This guy is a troll. He is pulling our collective leg with his contrived idiot routine, the sole intention of which is to exasperate us beyond what our minds can tolerate while remaining sane. Nobody can be this utterly and hopelessly wrong about everything. There is no other explanation.

Go away, troll.

Aw, but we're having such fun!

This has to be one of the funniest threads ever.

See?

Look, you scared him away. Shame.

Rolfe.

 

[jsfisher]

Look, you scared him away. Shame.

No, he wasn't scared away. It was just time for mommy to tuck him and turn off the lights.

 

[Rolfe]

No, he wasn't scared away. It was just time for mommy to tuck him and turn off the lights.

Well, see, that's part of what I was interested in. What time's bed time, where he is? He's gone on posting very very late if he's on BST, but then you know what adolescents are - night into day sometimes.

Rolfe.

 

[Totovader]

Kitler says, "Ztop zis nonsenze!"

 

[JimBenArm]

Yeah. Let's frustrate Malcolm. Don't answer him, or even acknowledge he's here. He's just an attention junkie, nothing more. He'll self-destruct if we don't talk to him.

 

[Lisa Simpson]

This thread has been getting more than its share of reported posts and is now on moderated status.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Lisa Simpson

 

[chillzero]

OK.
As of this post, this thread is being made a moderated thread. We have received too many reports regarding this thread to easily manage them. We are spending a disproportionate amount of time on just this thread. Yes, there are posts here that should be moved to AAH, but frankly, the lines will be difficult to draw, so they remain for now. It should also stand as an example on how not to progress a discussion.

From this point on, the only posts that will be permitted into this thread shall be any addressing whether or not Flight 175 hit the South Tower or not.

The guidelines for moderated threads can be found here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81399

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If you cannot discuss something civilly with another member, then ignore them and/or the thread.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero

 

[Belz...]

Well this thread seems to have come to a screeching halt.

Say, Chill, what is that avatar, anyway ?

 

[Civilized Worm]

Aw man!

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

So, let's reset. Original claim

175 did NOT hit the South tower. A remote controlled flight from Offutt AFB did.

First step to substantiating, or falsifying this, is to examine the evidence available of the impact on the tower and see if the visual record and debris is consistent with that of UA Flight 175.

 

[chillzero]

I don't know how those 2 non-topic related posts snuck in there!
(My avatar is my tattoo.)

Arkan, Thanks for bringing it back to topic.

Do you think this claim will be connected to the 'pinnochio's nose' holographic plane claim that was made in another thread?

 

[T.A.M.]

Malcolm:

As of today, you have not presented one piece of evidence proving, or even suggesting, that Flight 175 did not hit the WTC. Once again now, I am asking you do to so, or admit it is just your opinion.

Thanks

TAM

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I don't know how those 2 non-topic related posts snuck in there!
(My avatar is my tattoo.)

Arkan, Thanks for bringing it back to topic.

Do you think this claim will be connected to the 'pinnochio's nose' holographic plane claim that was made in another thread?

I don't believe so. Truthseeker1234 was claiming that there was no plane at all, and all video evidence showing a plane had been digitally altered in real time or after the fact. Whereas, malcolm kirkman is claiming that a 767 did hit the tower, but that it was not UA Flight 175.

 

[Minadin]

Do you think this claim will be connected to the 'pinnochio's nose' holographic plane claim that was made in another thread?

I don't think so. His claim seems to be that they were real planes, just really beefed up so that they could penetrate the building shell, and flown by remote control. Though, I must admit that I am unfamiliar with the "pinoccio's nose" version of the holographic plane claims. Does anyone have a link to that?

Also, Arkan wrote:

First step to substantiating, or falsifying this, is to examine the evidence available of the impact on the tower and see if the visual record and debris is consistent with that of UA Flight 175.

But, I am thinking, were there not cell phone calls from the passengers recorded for this flight? I thought that there may have been a conversation from one of the flight attendants back to United Airlines as well. But, it's possible that I am mistaking it for Flight 11.

 

[CurtC]

Whether or not there were cell phone calls from UAL175's passengers is not relevant to whether that flight hit the South Tower.

Malcolm made all kinds of posts about how terrorists wouldn't have dared hijack the flight, because of the risks of taking utility knives and GPS units on the planes, and the risks of crew and passengers who may fight back, and the perceived difficulty of navigating back to NYC, but those are speculations and not reliable evidence.

So far, his evidence seems to be that a "tin and plastic" 767 could not have penetrated through the steel perimeter columns of the tower. Also, that a military version of the 757 would have stronger wings, strong enough to do the observed damage.

He has offered no evidence that these are true, though, and there's been lots of posts in the preceding 28 pages to counter his claims. I'm glad for the moderation to cut out the noise. Let's stick to the claims, one at a time.

Malcolm, please present your evidence.

 

[Rolfe]

But, I am thinking, were there not cell phone calls from the passengers recorded for this flight? I thought that there may have been a conversation from one of the flight attendants back to United Airlines as well. But, it's possible that I am mistaking it for Flight 11.

Malcolm seems from his earlier posts to be asserting that these phone calls were "morphed", by which I think he means faked. I'm not at all clear what evidence he has for this.

As far as I can make him out, he appears to think that the "official" version of events is so implausible that it can't be true, and that indeed such a plan would have had so little likelihood of success that nobody would even have attempted it. So, having eliminated the official version as essentially impossible, he then proceeds to think up something else, which, while implausible, therefore must be true as he has eliminated the impossible and his idea is what remains.

However, this is simply my attempt to guess what he means.

Rolfe.

 

[A W Smith]

What would such a hijacker say, when he was about to die?

They would say
"Allahu Akbar"

You are dismissing the fact that these are trained terrorists. Trained in Al Queda terrorist camps. They are in fact terrorist version of commandos. before 9/11 no plane had been hijacked and flown into a building. typically hijackers would simply make demands of money or the freeing of captive terrorists. Once the plane had been in flight and reached cruising altitude most passengers have settled in and relaxed for an 8 hour transcontinental flight. All it would take to begin the hijack would be for a terrorist to lean forward and slit the throat of the passenger in the seat in front of him. The passenger would die in seconds and 'terrorize' all passengers within eyesight. It would be then that the hijackers would begin making their demands. Remember again no terrorist had crashed planes into buildings before and the passengers realize this. No one wants to be a hero especially now that another hijacker is holding a blade to a flight attendants or passengers throat. No one wants to see a repeat of what just happened to the first victim. The hijackers demand the flight cabin door be opened. The procedure pre 9/11 is to cooperate. The door is opened. Rather than risk having the pilot put up a fight, while he is still strapped in they reach around and slit the pilots throat as well. much easier to move a dead body or two out from the pilots and co pilots seats. The instrument rated hijacker takes control of the flight. On a clear day with 50 mile visibility it is easy to drop down and use landmarks alone to navigate. You could pick up the Hudson river and turn south for a direct hit on WTC. Or you could turn back toward the sun after reaching Allentown Pa till you see the ocean 50 miles away and head for a city skyline on the ocean/bay. The only flight that put up a fight was the one that was delayed on takeoff. because at that point shortly after 93 was hijacked the passengers were made aware of the hijackers final objective. The Passengers by then knew that their hijacking was far different than any other hijack before that day in history.

 

[Horatius]

I don't think so. His claim seems to be that they were real planes, just really beefed up so that they could penetrate the building shell, and flown by remote control. Though, I must admit that I am unfamiliar with the "pinoccio's nose" version of the holographic plane claims. Does anyone have a link to that?

I think he would likely use the "nose" to support his contention that the plane was an up-armoured military version, as this is the only way it could have "survived intact" to exit the far side. Essentially, the exact opposite of TS1234's claim, that the nose could not have survived, and this image must therefore be a CGI/hologram/whatever effect.

As for links, check out:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82280&highlight=nose