The Buddha Was Wrong, a Skeptical Buddhist Site

[Dancing David]

I'm trying to be consistent to have a discussion. If you want to claim that Buddhism means 'anything and everything' and anyone who says they are a buddhist is a buddhist then we can't have any sort of meaningful discourse.

No you are arguing that people who don't agree with your definition are wrong. You are engaging in the true scotsman fallacy and the straw man fallacy.

The goal is obviously not discussion, in discussion you can accept the other person's point of view and discuss what they say. Not just stomp your feet and say

"Words have to mean what I want them to mean!"


What about the multiple definitions in the dictionary Dustin?

 

[Dancing David]

Yes, you are right, there is much more proof of rebirth, nibbana and karma.

I am not interested in arguing semantics and lame definitions on who gets to label themselves what.

My site is based on debunking the 3 core teachings that lie at the center of mainstream buddhism.

Like i said, label yourself what you like. I couldnt care less.

That is not what you said Onemind! You stated quite openly that the buddhists here at the JREF are following a 2,500 year old superstition.

All without evidence or data.

And then you change the goal posts, because you want to believe that all buddhists will meet your preconcieved notions?

Welcome to the Forum, you need to brush up on scepticism.

 

[Dancing David]

It's not an argument. It's a matter of fact. I can't understand what he is saying therefore I can't respond to what he's saying. I'm not saying he's necessarily wrong I'm simply saying I can't respond to him unless he brushes up on his English.

I apologise, I was lazy and will use the spell checker.

 

[Lonewulf]

I apologise, I was lazy and will use the spell checker.

(bolding mine)

It's spelled apologize.

I apologize, I couldn't help pointing it out for personal amusement value. No offense intended. Just that it's somewhat funny to me.

When I get rid of this sleep deprivation, don't worry; it'll be less funny.

 

[Dancing David]

"Frey"? Do you mean Freyja? She was a Norse Goddess and in which case she would of probably been referred to as an "Ásynjur".

Very good! What is her brother's name?

And she is not aesir ahe is vanir that was exchanged to conclude the peace deal. She lives with the aesir.

Cool spelling!

 

[Dancing David]

So do all the smart people stay out of the religion and philosophy section?

So do you paint with a broad brush? Another troll point awarded to you!

What evidence, what data?

 

[Dancing David]

David said he wasn't Dyslexic. He said he has "Dysphonia" which is actually a problem with the voice and isn't a learning problem. He might of meant "Dysphasia" but I doubt that. He has said that his spelling problems arise from the "goofy archaic nature of the english language" but that's nonsense as well since he's a native english speaker and English would only seem strange to a foreign speaker.

You need to read on dear sir, as I did, my friend said that it was something called 'dysphonetic' based upon the way I read and understand words. I just learned today that it is a form of dyslexia! He didn't tell me that.


And your second argument is just arrogant garbage. I can't spell english because it hasn't had orthographic reform and is not a phonetic spelling but archaic forms that were standardized randomly when there were multiple spelling of the words.

Another sign you don't know much about history.

 

[Dancing David]

No it isn't.

http://www.dysphonia.org/

http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/voice/spasdysp.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spasmodic_dysphonia

And you are so right!

I looked it up and it is not dysphonia (my assumption), it is a form of dyslexia, and my friend who told me my diagnosis had left of the dyslexia part. So i am at fault for assuming that dysphonetic equates to dysphonia.

Brief overview

http://www.dyslexia.com/qasymptoms.htm#d981130

The terms 'dysphonetic' and 'dyseidetic' are words used to describe typical symptoms of dyslexia. The person labeled 'dysphonetic' has difficulty connecting sounds to symbols, and might have a hard time sounding out words, and spelling mistakes would show a very poor grasp of phonics. This is also sometimes called "auditory" dyslexia, because it relates to the way the person processes the sounds of language.

 

[Dancing David]

And if they disagree with them then by definition they aren't "Buddhists".

By your definition, no. But by the way some buddhists define it, yes. the alleged historical buddha said it was the practice that made a buddhist, not the faith.

So not Buddha's teachings?

depends on the tradition or the student, it varies. I will look and see if they are in the pali canon, which I usually agree with although not always.

"AHB"?

Alleged historical buddha, in case you haven't noticed I restrict myself to the pali canon. And then say goofy things like "the teachings of the buddha" and the alleged historical Buddha, or the alleged teaching of the alleged historical buddha.

 

[Dancing David]

What do you want proof for? You're a Buddhist right? Buddhism is a 2,500 year old religious doctrine. You believe in this religious doctrine. Ergo...

Ergo... you haven't read the extensive discussion of buddhism on this forum.

i have said repeatedly that I do not believe in reincarnation, that rebirth is the transmission of attitudes and beliefs through acts and communication, that kamma is the consequences of choices and that nibbanna might be a state of free action where the person is mindful and unconditioned to respond blindly to life.

That is why I said what I said, what proof do you have that I am superstitious as a buddhist? Just your personal bigotry and notions about people who call themselves buddhist?

 

[Dancing David]

My buddhist sect believes eating lots of chocolate leads to enlightenment..

What is it with you guys? This arguing over the definiton of buddhism stuff is ludicrous.

There are tons of minority sects in buddhism, so what? We are dealing with the majority, mainstream buddhist doctrine as found in the pali canon and is fundamental to therevada, mahayana and tibetan buddhism. The bulk of these three main schools, and i'm not talking minority sects within each school, have the 4 noble truths, the 8fold path, rebirth, karma and nirvana at their core.

If you want to deny nirvana, rebirth, karma and the other mainstream dcotrines and still call it buddhism then you are an idiot and not even worth debunking.

But for all sane people that agree that 80% + of what westerners and easterners consider buddhism is up for debate so enough with filling 5 pages arguing about definitions and semantic bs.

Bam Bam ... another drive by posting.

I said that 90% of buddhism was foolish and silly, so you just repeat what we already say. Some fine thought there.

There are other interpretations of rebirth, kamma and nibbanna. Even by mainstream buddhists like T. N. Hahn.

Then you just assert that people are idiots because you are bigoted against the word buddhist, unless it means what you want it to mean.

And so you just sling your semantic bs and think you have the secrets.

Another troll point!

 

[andyandy]

(bolding mine)

It's spelled apologize.

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Oi! Hands off our language! It's apologise

 

[Dancing David]

The majority of people in the world rarely need to adequately define these sorts of terms because they rarely think deeply about them.

Do you actually know what the eight fold path is yet?

Can you think deeply upon the path of the buddha and not know the eight fold path?

What is the fourth noble truth? What are the Sila? And to which do they refer.

What?



The fact that you claim you have no trouble understanding him is simply proof you're a liar and haven't even read his posts. His grammar is terrible, his spelling is terrible, his syntax is terrible, his posts are nearly incomprehensible as they are not to even mention the internal inconsistencies.

You are another lame stick poster, you couldn't find a contradiction in what I posted, I apologize for the spelling, I will use spell check. But

"some buddhists follow the pali canon" and "some buddhists follow other texts" is not inconsistent. They are statements of fact. It is you who want to label people and make their behavior conform to your thoughts.

Do you feel the same way and conservative democrat or liberal republican?

Does that drive you crazy and make you claim that other people are stupid.

You ***** yourself Dustin, and it is too bad, I agree with much of what you posted in politics, but you ***** yourself by being such as foolish person. You are obviously smart but your lame "he is incomprehensible" "he is incoherent" and then your inability to demonstrate where I am incoherent is just you mocking yourself.

The lotus rises above the muck.

 

[Taffer]

Oi! Hands off our language! It's apologise

Seconded!

 

[Dancing David]

Some of what is in the Gospels probably came from the historical Jesus.

And possibly the same is true of the pali canon. The world will never know how many licks it takes to reach the center of a tootsie pop.

There's a lot to hate about religion.

There is a lot to hate about a lot of things. But to be possessed by hatred is a waste of time. I used to foam at the mouth over Xians.

And I'm pointing out how it's fallacious to follow Buddhism as much as it is fallacious to follow the Torah or the Koran.

if one says that one must not think for one's self and just follow everything that someone might label buddhism,that makes sense.

Why call yourself a "Buddhist"?

Why do you call yourself Dustin?

But how are you still a "Buddhist" if you get to pick and choose what to follow and what not to?

Because some define a buddhist that way, shame isn't it, people not meeting your bigoted expectations.

Am I automatically a Christian if I agree with a few things Jesus said? Of course not.

That doesn't follow for all people, but is true for you.

No one with any sense would claim such a thing.

Which sense is that, I hope not common sense.

I'm an Atheist. Simply because I agree with Jesus on a few things doesn't make me a christian anymore than you agreeing with a few things in a few buddhist texts makes you a "Buddhist".

And we can all have different beliefs and still talk to each other.

Koombya.

 

[Lonewulf]

Oi! Hands off our language! It's apologise

Nuh uh!

 

[Dancing David]

For the last time, I am addressing the buddhist sects that friggin do so stop being a pedantic pain in the ass. Just because some buddhist sects don’t doesn’t write off the entire debate.

depends on the debate, you made bold statements about the buddhists at the JREF, poor **** speaks so vaguely and then whines about it.

It is rather convenient for people to just cherry pick from the pali canon the bits their warped sectarian cult chooses to believe.

How convenient of you to limit what people can say and do, fascist much?

Science is buddhism, islam is another form of buddhism and so is christianity to any nut that likes playing word games.

Vague statements are the bane of trolls.


Bam...Bam(driveby posting), and why label everybody here as the buddhists who do.

Your command of the language is astounding and your ability to take umbrage at the consequences of your vague accusations is amazing.

Another troll point!

Keep throwing straw, it will make you strong like Mongo.

 

[Dancing David]

It is if i say it is so please dont exclude my sect in blanket generalisations. My sect believes the great buddha was a master of quantum physics as shown in earlier suttas that aren't in the pali canon but found in a secret dragon cave in the 3rd century.

Good, welcome to the Vast Buddhist Conspiracy, kneel that Lisa may brand you!

I don't imagine I will read your scriptures much, except as entertainment. Kind of like the "When buddha was a monkey..." kind of text.

 

[Dancing David]

Makes you sound like a prick though when David mentions he has a learning disability. Show at least some empathy even if you think the guy is wrong about everything else.

Sniff, I am wrong about everything else?

Fine, just fine...

:sulks in corner:




My disability is no excuse for my lazy nature, I apologize.

 

[Dancing David]

You're clearly the one with a learning disability!




http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2650333&postcount=164

I said i was wrong, I was mistaken, it is dysphonetic dyslexia.

I learned something today! I am still young at mind if not in the body.