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Valerie Plame Was Covert: Officially

I looked for a Toensing response to the release of the CIA document referred to in this post. I didn't find one. It may be too early for the Bushco defense team to have ginned one up yet.

I did find this Glenn Greenwald column that listed the statements of more than ten right wing spinners claiming in some way or another that she wasn't covert.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/

I also found this David Fiderer column that did a pretty good job of explaining why Ms. Toensing was full of (rule 8).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-fiderer/whom-should-i-believe-vi_b_9456.html

The situation reminds me a bit of trying to evaluate biblical contradictions. A straightforward reading of the words seems to indicate a clear cut contradiction, but when a skilled apologist analyzes the situation an explanation of why there is no contradiction is always found.

So what is that explanation here? I couldn't find one on the internet but there will be one. What will it be? Probably the best strategy for the spinners is to minimize the issue of whether she was technically covert or not (say something like: "Well maybe she was but that involves a hypertechnical use of the relevant laws") and focus on Wilson's misstatements (of which there were some significant ones) and the issue of whether Wilson's release of arguably secret information wasn't the root cause of the release of Plame's identity. I think they'll find enough meat in those issues that they'll hold on to what supporters they have on this issue.
 
Read this as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason#United_States

Revisit the Plame affair and especially what was found in court, read about the proof of who knew what and when.

If you think there are grounds for a treason charge, who do you think they would be filed against assuming the prosecution actually expect a conviction?
No, I meant what summaries of the latest findings did you want us to re-read? I don't know what you are referring to.

eta: What does treason (as per your link) have to do with anything?
eta2: ah, Daylight mentioned it. nevermind.
 
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If you think there are grounds for a treason charge, who do you think they would be filed against assuming the prosecution actually expect a conviction?


Enough for treason? Perhaps not. Enough to get fired from a government job? Definitely! Er, not if your boss is GW Bush.

Note that new presidential candidate Fred Thompson is a big Libby Defense Fund supporter. I'd like journalists to ask him pointedly if he intends for his staff to reveal the identities of convert CIA agents for political purposes.
 
So when are we going to charge Armitage for outing her?

Or did everyone forget about him? Wasn't even mentioned in this thread. Shame on you. ;)
 
So when are we going to charge Armitage for outing her?

Or did everyone forget about him? Wasn't even mentioned in this thread. Shame on you. ;)


See post #4. Oh, and what this we sh|t, Kemosabe?
 
How many fall guys will it take for Bush & Cheney to escape office without being held accountable for what they ordered done?

These people were just following orders.

Why are we allowing the real masterminds (ironic to use that word to describe this president & vice pres.) off the hook? It's sickening.
 
And which n-word are you talking about exactly? NOC?


Armitage: NOC, NOC.

Costello: Who's there?

Armitage: A covert operative. I can't tell you.

Costello: A covert operative I can't tell you... who?

Armitage: Valerie Plame.

Costello: Who is the covert operative you can't tell me?

Armitage: Yes.

Costello: I mean the covert operative's name.

Armitage: Valerie Plame.

Costello: Who is the spy?

Armitage: Valerie Plame!

Costello: Who is a covert CIA operative?

Armitage: Yes.

Costello: Who is spying?

Armitage: Yes!

Costello: I'm asking you the spy's name.

Armitage: Valerie Plame.

Costello: The woman's name?

Armitage: Yes!

Costello: Well go ahead and tell me her name.

Armitage: Valerie Plame!

Costello: Who is a spy?

Armitage: Yes.

Costello: Who is a covert CIA operative??

Armitage: Yes.

Costello: I'm asking... what is the covert CIA operative's name?

Armitage: Valerie Plame.

Costello: Who is a spy?

Armitage: Yes.
 
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Armitage: NOC, NOC.

Costello: Who's there?

Armitage: A covert operative. I can't tell you.

Costello: A covert operative I can't tell you... who?

Armitage: Valerie Plame.

Costello: Who is the covert operative you can't tell me?

Armitage: Yes.

Costello: I mean the covert operative's name.

Armitage: Valerie Plame.

Costello: Who is the spy?

Armitage: Valerie Plame!

Costello: Who is a covert CIA operative?

Armitage: Yes.

Costello: Who is spying?

Armitage: Yes!

Costello: I'm asking you the spy's name.

Armitage: Valerie Plame.

Costello: The woman's name?

Armitage: Yes!

Costello: Well go ahead and tell me her name.

Armitage: Valerie Plame!

Costello: Who is a spy?

Armitage: Yes.

Costello: Who is a covert CIA operative??

Armitage: Yes.

Costello: I'm asking... what is the covert CIA operative's name?

Armitage: Valerie Plame.

Costello: Who is a spy?

Armitage: Yes.



Bush: Hussein?

Cheney: I'm saying!

Bush: What are you saying?

Cheney: That Hussein has WMD.

Bush: Whose saying?

Cheney: Right . . .

Bush: Wha . . . ?
 
Bush: Hussein?

Cheney: I'm saying!

Bush: What are you saying?

Cheney: That Hussein has WMD.

Bush: Whose saying?

Cheney: Right . . .

Bush: Wha . . . ?

There seems to be some confusion and argument over whether Valerie Plame Wilson was covert or not, whether she was a NOC and had intended to go back to being a NOC which was screwed by revealing her CIA connections. It is, in fact, the subject of a lawsuit Plame has launched against Cheney, Rove et al. the contention being by their actions these White House players harmed her career.

Maybe this will help:

Valerie Plame was recruited into the CIA in 1985, straight out of Pennsylvania State University. After two years of training to be a covert case officer, she served a stint on the Greece desk, according to Fred Rustmann, a former CIA official who supervised her then. Next she was posted to Athens and posed as a State Department employee. Her job was to spot and recruit agents for the agency. In the early 1990s, she became what's known as a nonofficial cover officer. NOCs are the most clandestine of the CIA's frontline officers. They do not pretend to work for the US government; they do not have the protection of diplomatic immunity. They might claim to be a businessperson. She told people she was with an energy firm. Her main mission remained the same: to gather agents for the CIA.

In 1997 she returned to CIA headquarters and joined the Counterproliferation Division.

The rest of this piece has many other relevant details:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060918/corn
 
C'mon DR - I'm sure the NSA knows what a bunch of sarcastic bastards we are already. ;)
My friends there tell me we are way too boring to pay attention to, partly due to rules prohibiting the posting of porn, and partly due to Claus Larsen. ;) They can't stand him either.

DR
 
I alluded to the fact above that Valerie was suing the alleged sources of the leak. Apparently she is also suing the CIA over issues with her book. Here is that story from today's NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/31/washington/31cnd-plame.html?hp

Valerie Wilson Sues C.I.A. Over Memoir
By ADAM LIPTAK
Published: May 31, 2007

Valerie Wilson, the former Central Intelligence Agency operative at the heart of an investigation that reached into the White House, sued the agency in federal court in New York today over its refusal to allow her to publish a memoir that would discuss how long she worked for it.


Now that her cat is out of the bag, and the CIA has allowed other agents to publish memoirs after they have vetted their book(s) and deleted classified material, I wonder why the CIA is preventing her from doing the same thing.Or it may be they consider some stuff classified which shouldn't be.......like, er, how long she worked for the agency (resume stuff). This has also already been widely publicized (see above).I guess this could get interesting.
 
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That's about half a Godwin. ;) Was Eichmann in the cabinet?

DR

It's not that I don't think they should all be held fully accountable. I do.

I'm just frustrated that while we continue to 'investigate' all the lesser players, the actual architects are able to continue pushing their incompentant & dangerous agenda.

These more insignificant players are interchangeable & even replaceable and they are not the ones who need to be stopped ASAP.

How many years have the president & vice president evaded accountability for outing a CIA agent? Too many. They only have 18 short months to go & then they don't even have to worry about impeachment. Sweet.
 
Richard Armitage outed her...how come you don't mention anything about him?

Dammit, why had EVERYONE forgotten about Richard Armitage?
 

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